Americans Purchasing European Detergents - Henkel Has Sniffed Us Out
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Guess they don't love us anymore in Düsseldorf . . . sniff . . .
maytagbear
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I know
that Henkel and Miele USA are in bed together, but I wish Henkel would bring themselves to market a better detergent here under one of their other brands.....
Lawrence/Maytagbear
that Henkel and Miele USA are in bed together, but I wish Henkel would bring themselves to market a better detergent here under one of their other brands.....
Lawrence/Maytagbear
passatdoc
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I've given up ever seeing mass-marketed, quality European detergent on these shores. When I go to Europe, I simply bring back half a dozen or so packages of German/Henkel Persil or Ariel or Via (Swedish version of Unilever Persil) rather than wasting money on souvenirs.
passatdoc
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ps
I suppose the packages of Persil sold on Amazon for $40-50 are worth it when you consider one package might last a year or more when used at 1-3 tbsp/load. One Amazon reviewer who owned a Miele FL did some math and calculated that it was less costly than using American-made HE powder, taking into account that she had to use a lot more of the American stuff per load than the 1-2 tbsp that sufficed for her Miele loads. On that basis, she justified the purchase, since that was all the money she spent on detergent for over a year.
I suppose the packages of Persil sold on Amazon for $40-50 are worth it when you consider one package might last a year or more when used at 1-3 tbsp/load. One Amazon reviewer who owned a Miele FL did some math and calculated that it was less costly than using American-made HE powder, taking into account that she had to use a lot more of the American stuff per load than the 1-2 tbsp that sufficed for her Miele loads. On that basis, she justified the purchase, since that was all the money she spent on detergent for over a year.
whirlcool
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If Henkel knows people like us exist why are they passing up the opportunity to sell their detergent here?
iheartmaytag
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why are they passing up the opportunity to sell their deterg
It could be some agreement they have with the American producers. P&G agrees to not sell Tide in their market if they agree to not sell Persil in this market etc. . .
or
It could have to do with legal things about packaging, content etc.
Or
Maybe they just don't like us.
Poop-heads.
It could be some agreement they have with the American producers. P&G agrees to not sell Tide in their market if they agree to not sell Persil in this market etc. . .
or
It could have to do with legal things about packaging, content etc.
Or
Maybe they just don't like us.
Poop-heads.
launderess
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P&G agrees to not sell Tide in their market if they agree to
P&G does sell Tide in many markets where Henkel's Persil (or Le Chat, Skip, ...) does already, it is called "Ariel".
My guess is that aside from whatever agreement Henkel has reached with Miele they aren't interested in competing in the saturated and mature American laundry detergent market. Remember P&G, Unilever, and others have been busy selling off detergent brands.
Contrary to popular belief a vast amount of R&D goes into producing and keeping a TOL detergent like Tide or Persil. Both P&G and Henkel spend millions in funds and time testing their products in various local market water conditions, soils, and even stains common to a said market. For instance beets are not generally a huge part of the American diet, but historically they are in the UK and other parts of Europe. This means any detergent worth mentioning is going to need to remove those type of stains. Same with curry (very big in UK).
P&G does sell Tide in many markets where Henkel's Persil (or Le Chat, Skip, ...) does already, it is called "Ariel".
My guess is that aside from whatever agreement Henkel has reached with Miele they aren't interested in competing in the saturated and mature American laundry detergent market. Remember P&G, Unilever, and others have been busy selling off detergent brands.
Contrary to popular belief a vast amount of R&D goes into producing and keeping a TOL detergent like Tide or Persil. Both P&G and Henkel spend millions in funds and time testing their products in various local market water conditions, soils, and even stains common to a said market. For instance beets are not generally a huge part of the American diet, but historically they are in the UK and other parts of Europe. This means any detergent worth mentioning is going to need to remove those type of stains. Same with curry (very big in UK).
rayjay
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Polish Persil
Hi. I get the Henkel Persil that is sold in Poland at a Polish grocery store near me. I am assuming it is from Germany but made to ship to Poland.
The packaging is all in Polish. I am Polish/American and can understand some of the writing.
I do see at the bottom of the package a word "SILAN'
BTW: The pricing is excellent on their products at this store.
I was wondering what that meant.
Hi. I get the Henkel Persil that is sold in Poland at a Polish grocery store near me. I am assuming it is from Germany but made to ship to Poland.
The packaging is all in Polish. I am Polish/American and can understand some of the writing.
I do see at the bottom of the package a word "SILAN'
BTW: The pricing is excellent on their products at this store.
I was wondering what that meant.
rayjay
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Vernel
They also have the fabric softener Vernel at great prices too.
Persil Gel regular and color.
Persil Universal Powder and for colors.
They also have the fabric softener Vernel at great prices too.
Persil Gel regular and color.
Persil Universal Powder and for colors.
Silan is a fabric softener brand from Henkel.
rayjay
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Hi Louis.
But I see it on the package of Persil Powder for color.
Is Silan in the mixture?
But I see it on the package of Persil Powder for color.
Is Silan in the mixture?
I have no idea. Overhere there is no Persil sold with built in softener. But that might be different in Poland.
danemodsandy
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My Take.....
....Is that Henkel is simply doing some CYA here.
One of the legal implications of the Internet is that any representations made on it can be viewed by almost anyone in the world, with the result that a company's representations on its Website can be construed in court as having legal standing in a country where the company never intended to do business.
In addition, the Internet makes it possible for entrepreneurs to make products available outside a company's intended sales area. That is what is happening with Henkel products; people are making them available in a market where Henkel does not sell those products.
So, Henkel is basically telling people in the U.S.: "Just because you got your hands on some Henkel detergent, and just because you've seen our ads online, that does not mean we intended to sell it to you, and we are disclaiming responsibility for its use outside our sales area. If you try to haul us into court over something to do with our detergent, we are going to show this disclaimer in evidence."
However happy people may be with the Henkel detergents they've gotten their hands on, they should not expect Henkel to accept any responsibility if anything goes wrong, because Henkel never intended to sell those products in the U.S. They aren't submitted to our Federal regulatory agencies for approval, and they aren't indemnified (insured against liability suit) here.
So, that's what this is about.
....Is that Henkel is simply doing some CYA here.
One of the legal implications of the Internet is that any representations made on it can be viewed by almost anyone in the world, with the result that a company's representations on its Website can be construed in court as having legal standing in a country where the company never intended to do business.
In addition, the Internet makes it possible for entrepreneurs to make products available outside a company's intended sales area. That is what is happening with Henkel products; people are making them available in a market where Henkel does not sell those products.
So, Henkel is basically telling people in the U.S.: "Just because you got your hands on some Henkel detergent, and just because you've seen our ads online, that does not mean we intended to sell it to you, and we are disclaiming responsibility for its use outside our sales area. If you try to haul us into court over something to do with our detergent, we are going to show this disclaimer in evidence."
However happy people may be with the Henkel detergents they've gotten their hands on, they should not expect Henkel to accept any responsibility if anything goes wrong, because Henkel never intended to sell those products in the U.S. They aren't submitted to our Federal regulatory agencies for approval, and they aren't indemnified (insured against liability suit) here.
So, that's what this is about.
rayjay
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Hi Louis.
The package lists as 'Color Fresh Pearls - Silan.
Sandy. I guess the store carries the Persil line because most of the people form POland settle in this area and they want what they had in Poland.
The bag for 35 or 40 loads only costs 20.00. And if you use a front loader you would use less. Very little if any sudsing too.
The package lists as 'Color Fresh Pearls - Silan.
Sandy. I guess the store carries the Persil line because most of the people form POland settle in this area and they want what they had in Poland.
The bag for 35 or 40 loads only costs 20.00. And if you use a front loader you would use less. Very little if any sudsing too.
launderess
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Persil with Silan
Have seen it in Poland and it does seem to be made in Germany but sure where else one finds the stuff.
Basically it is another version of detergent with a built in fabric softener, much like Tide with a Touch of Downy. Henkel markets PwS as having some sort of microencapsulated perfume that is released slowly each time laundry washed in the product is touched, worn, etc... Supposedly the various scents this way will last days or weeks after washday and release yet more perfume each time one touches or moves about.
Have seen it in Poland and it does seem to be made in Germany but sure where else one finds the stuff.
Basically it is another version of detergent with a built in fabric softener, much like Tide with a Touch of Downy. Henkel markets PwS as having some sort of microencapsulated perfume that is released slowly each time laundry washed in the product is touched, worn, etc... Supposedly the various scents this way will last days or weeks after washday and release yet more perfume each time one touches or moves about.
Ray
Silan has a softener with pearls to make the perfume dryer resistant. I guess either Persil contains that softener or it's an ad on the box for the softener.
Silan has a softener with pearls to make the perfume dryer resistant. I guess either Persil contains that softener or it's an ad on the box for the softener.
rayjay
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Hi Laundress.
The scent is not heavy at all. The powder and the Gel are excellent at cleaning.
The store I get it at is in Linden, NJ.
The scent is not heavy at all. The powder and the Gel are excellent at cleaning.
The store I get it at is in Linden, NJ.
danemodsandy
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Ray:
All I'm saying is that Henkel seems not to want U.S. responsibility for products it did not export itself.
Which is a position I find entirely reasonable. If Polish expats want Henkel, and someone helps them get it in the grey market, that should not be a reason for anyone to claim that Henkel should be responsible in a market it never intended to serve with a given product.
All I'm saying is that Henkel seems not to want U.S. responsibility for products it did not export itself.
Which is a position I find entirely reasonable. If Polish expats want Henkel, and someone helps them get it in the grey market, that should not be a reason for anyone to claim that Henkel should be responsible in a market it never intended to serve with a given product.
rayjay
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I still have to use a fabric softener. They clothes do not feel then same if I left it out. Howver, I do not use softener in towels.
rayjay
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hi Sandy . I understand that. I am just glad that I can purchase these products at a lower price than on-line or the Miele Corporate Headquarters.
However. There is a website: Better Home products that carrys the whole line and their prices are good too.
However. There is a website: Better Home products that carrys the whole line and their prices are good too.
launderess
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Have Mixed Feelings About Laundry Products That Leave Residu
I mean does one want perfume chemicals rubbing off on one's skin each time you move about?
@rayjay
May check the place out if ever down that way. But quite honestly am that good with Persil ATM don't think will need to purchase more anytime soon. However since one can only use European detergents in the AEG who knows? Maybe that will reduce my stash sooner than planned.
I mean does one want perfume chemicals rubbing off on one's skin each time you move about?
@rayjay
May check the place out if ever down that way. But quite honestly am that good with Persil ATM don't think will need to purchase more anytime soon. However since one can only use European detergents in the AEG who knows? Maybe that will reduce my stash sooner than planned.
launderess
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Persil with Silan
Like Persil "Gold" does seem to be a product Henkel markets to Eastern European countries.
Like Persil "Gold" does seem to be a product Henkel markets to Eastern European countries.
launderess
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launderess
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Henkel's Persil Line For Poland
For those interested:
http://www.henkel.rs/rss/content_data/260758_BROSURA_2012_SER.pdf
For those interested:
http://www.henkel.rs/rss/content_data/260758_BROSURA_2012_SER.pdf
Remember the evil Chinese guy in "The Manchurian Candida
who was so concerned about having enough time to get his Red Chinese wife to Macy's so she could buy all those products not available to their loyal 'comrades' back home?"
Why is it so surprising that many American corporations are going to leave no stone unturned to make sure that Americans continue to buy their high-profit crap than have the option to buy better products from other countries where some American products wouldn't stand a chance?
Remember, offshore business, for US citizens, is only for the top 1% and that's the way the top 1% wants to keep it. It is interesting how many of my very wealthy neighbors have a big 'ol box of Persil to go along with their Miele's and their Asko's and none of them have any idea why they're using those products; it's just what all the richies do these days.
Persil isn't sold at Wal-Mart.
who was so concerned about having enough time to get his Red Chinese wife to Macy's so she could buy all those products not available to their loyal 'comrades' back home?"
Why is it so surprising that many American corporations are going to leave no stone unturned to make sure that Americans continue to buy their high-profit crap than have the option to buy better products from other countries where some American products wouldn't stand a chance?
Remember, offshore business, for US citizens, is only for the top 1% and that's the way the top 1% wants to keep it. It is interesting how many of my very wealthy neighbors have a big 'ol box of Persil to go along with their Miele's and their Asko's and none of them have any idea why they're using those products; it's just what all the richies do these days.
Persil isn't sold at Wal-Mart.
A search for Better Home Products only yielded a place that sells hardware: doors, bath furnishings etc with no mention of Persil or the class of products which might include Persil. Can you provide a more exact site for purchasing Persil, please? Thanks.
It's Better Products Online that sells Persil with free shipping.
Interesting product
Sanitizes in 59F rinse water.
http://www.betterproductsonline.com...gents/persil-hygiene-disinfectant-rinse-1.5-l
Sanitizes in 59F rinse water.
http://www.betterproductsonline.com...gents/persil-hygiene-disinfectant-rinse-1.5-l
launderess
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We've Covered Persil Hygienespuler Before
Henkel markets the product as a fabric rinse for laundry which cannot or was not laundered in hot water and or with (oxygen) bleach.
Have some in my stash. Scent is very powerful and you must use quite a lot to get full benefit. Not sure what Henkel gives as number of doses per bottle, but at USA prices it is still dear for what you get.
Oh and product is marked with an expiration date. Not sure how long after such time the germ killing properties are still active, but I'd want fresh.
Henkel markets the product as a fabric rinse for laundry which cannot or was not laundered in hot water and or with (oxygen) bleach.
Have some in my stash. Scent is very powerful and you must use quite a lot to get full benefit. Not sure what Henkel gives as number of doses per bottle, but at USA prices it is still dear for what you get.
Oh and product is marked with an expiration date. Not sure how long after such time the germ killing properties are still active, but I'd want fresh.
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