Ted Steven (R) defeated in Alaska, he is still getting his pension, it's also his birthday. Yay (D) Begich. Another (D). (Senator)Stevens is IIRC 85 today. Of course they are also talking about a recount. I am starting to think there should be a mandatory retirement age, for these guys, don't you? LOL lets not rally for that though until Ted Kennedy resigns. Lieberman was absolved also and back in the (D) fold.
Another Rep Senator Bites the dust.
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polkanut
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Let the old f***er serve out his term in federal prison where he belongs!!!
One can only hope.
The last thing we need now is a deadlocked Senate with endless filibusters of measures designed to revive the economy.
The last thing we need now is a deadlocked Senate with endless filibusters of measures designed to revive the economy.
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"Big race in Minnesota too. From what it looks like, Franken will win. Which means the Dems will have 59 seats, contingent upon the race in Georgia".
I feel really sorry for the State of Minnesota if they elect that bufoon, Franken as their new Senator. What, other than being a comedian, qualifies Al Franken to be a Senator? Please, Norm Coleman will barely squeak it out and be re- elected for another term.
As for Georgia, as much as I would like to see Saxby Chambliss lose because of the shameful campaign he ran against Former Senator, Max Cleland in 2002,he will win in a lock. Georgia is still a reliable Republican state for the most part.
One Party domination is BAD for America...!
I feel really sorry for the State of Minnesota if they elect that bufoon, Franken as their new Senator. What, other than being a comedian, qualifies Al Franken to be a Senator? Please, Norm Coleman will barely squeak it out and be re- elected for another term.
As for Georgia, as much as I would like to see Saxby Chambliss lose because of the shameful campaign he ran against Former Senator, Max Cleland in 2002,he will win in a lock. Georgia is still a reliable Republican state for the most part.
One Party domination is BAD for America...!
passatdoc
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I was glad to see Stevens lose, not so much because I care about whether the Democrats gain an extra seat, but because it closes the door to Sarah Palin for an easy move to the Senate.
Her next two years as governor will not be as easy as her first two. 80% of the state budget comes from oil royalties. Now that oil is $50 a barrel, the state will be running a major deficit, and her "vast executive experience" will be put to the test.
Had Stevens won the election and then lost his seat to expulsion, the state would have to hold a special election in 60-90 days to elect a replacement Senator. Unlike most of the states, the Alaska governor does not appoint an interim Senator to serve until the next general election. When Senator Frank Murkowski was elected Governor in 2002, he appointed his daughter Lisa to his former Senate seat. In 2004, the state voters approved a change in the law to require a special election in 60-90 to prevent such nepotism in the future (however, Lisa Murkowski has turned out to be a pretty good Senator; McCain would have done much better with Lisa than with Sarah).
Had there been a special election to replace Stevens, there would have been no bar to Palin running for Senate, and had she lost she would still have her job as Governor. Now would be a perfect time to move to the Senate rather than face the unpleasant realities confronting Alaska right now. Fortunately for Washington, there will be no easy path to Washington for Palin.
Her next two years as governor will not be as easy as her first two. 80% of the state budget comes from oil royalties. Now that oil is $50 a barrel, the state will be running a major deficit, and her "vast executive experience" will be put to the test.
Had Stevens won the election and then lost his seat to expulsion, the state would have to hold a special election in 60-90 days to elect a replacement Senator. Unlike most of the states, the Alaska governor does not appoint an interim Senator to serve until the next general election. When Senator Frank Murkowski was elected Governor in 2002, he appointed his daughter Lisa to his former Senate seat. In 2004, the state voters approved a change in the law to require a special election in 60-90 to prevent such nepotism in the future (however, Lisa Murkowski has turned out to be a pretty good Senator; McCain would have done much better with Lisa than with Sarah).
Had there been a special election to replace Stevens, there would have been no bar to Palin running for Senate, and had she lost she would still have her job as Governor. Now would be a perfect time to move to the Senate rather than face the unpleasant realities confronting Alaska right now. Fortunately for Washington, there will be no easy path to Washington for Palin.
Minnesota- Al Franken--
Al Franken is a lifelong Minnesotan.
I have family and friends in the Twin Cities, and have since the 80s.
Al Franken for Senate is less odd than Jesse Ventura for Governor. Less odd. Lifelong Minnesotan, cares for the environment, and health care, and is not a @%*$$!! lawyer. The fact that he is not a lawyer makes him, in my eyes, eminently electable.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Al Franken is a lifelong Minnesotan.
I have family and friends in the Twin Cities, and have since the 80s.
Al Franken for Senate is less odd than Jesse Ventura for Governor. Less odd. Lifelong Minnesotan, cares for the environment, and health care, and is not a @%*$$!! lawyer. The fact that he is not a lawyer makes him, in my eyes, eminently electable.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Shane,
Quite possibly, we are in agreement for the first time in years.
Yup, one party domination is not a good idea.
Unfortunately, the Republicans have shown - even now, when we might just be able to head off a real depression - that they would rather play games then to work together to achieve something constructive.
The only way to break this deadlock is for the Republicans to stop their filibustering everything...since they have made clear that they won't, well...bad as it is, we are going to have to get those 60 votes together.
Sigh.
Whether it is here or in politics, the polarization has not ended after the election. We have a serious crisis to master, there is no longer room for this "my way or the highway" mentality which the non-democrats have been applying to every problem. (Who knows what the democrats will do? They haven't had any real power for so long. Let's just hope they don't do the same!)
Quite possibly, we are in agreement for the first time in years.
Yup, one party domination is not a good idea.
Unfortunately, the Republicans have shown - even now, when we might just be able to head off a real depression - that they would rather play games then to work together to achieve something constructive.
The only way to break this deadlock is for the Republicans to stop their filibustering everything...since they have made clear that they won't, well...bad as it is, we are going to have to get those 60 votes together.
Sigh.
Whether it is here or in politics, the polarization has not ended after the election. We have a serious crisis to master, there is no longer room for this "my way or the highway" mentality which the non-democrats have been applying to every problem. (Who knows what the democrats will do? They haven't had any real power for so long. Let's just hope they don't do the same!)
runematic
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Keven, I've been holding my tongue, and I know you want me to go away, but to blame the repubs for filibustering everything is laughable. What the f*ck do you think the dems did while they were not in control? Making sure nominations of judges and other officials didn't get moved along, blocking legislation, etc. It's no different now. Ahh, but your side won so now those tactics are now bad. Look, Obama won, so I'll give him a chance. Even though he used acorn to help steal the election, I won't be like most of the dems saying "he's not my president" selected not elected etc.
"Hopefully someone will explain to Palin what the U.S. Senate does, before she runs for it."
Hopefully someone educates these morons. These are the people that need help and they are the ones who helped put this man in office.
"Hopefully someone will explain to Palin what the U.S. Senate does, before she runs for it."
Hopefully someone educates these morons. These are the people that need help and they are the ones who helped put this man in office.
Todd,
I never, ever said I wanted you to leave or even implied it. It is not my place and it is not my desire.
Look, we have had several months of intense debate and discussion. It's a safe bet that, except on the subject of guns (gun control to me means using both hands) we don't agree politically on just about anything.
I have never once said: "We won, you lost, better start looking for South American dictatorships to spend the next eight years." Nope, not once.
I admit, I take politics seriously. I am a strict constitutionalist, so, yes, I do get upset when the Constitution gets trampled on.
I did not, not even once, ever send anyone a private email filled with hate, spite or even one single threat or swear word.
I never, once, attacked anyone here, calling for them to leave. Yes, I do think any gay man who supports religious groups and political parties which call for them to be stripped of their civil rights and institutionalized is indulging in self-loathing behavior or sailing his barge down the river de-nial. Fine, so that makes me an impossible group member, one who must be attacked and torn to shreds?
No, it makes me a person who has a different perspective than many of the, I shall call them conservative, no doubt some will scream about that, gay men here who disagree with me.
So disagree.
This polarization is not good for our group. I contribute to Imperial when I know of something worth saying. I apologize when I have been rude, I try not to be rude again.
That said, no liberal here has sent conservatives hate-filled emails, threatened them and their families, called them Nazis...not saying you did any of this, I wouldn't believe it of you for a minute. But please remember, we on the left really got hit, and hit hard by the conservatives. It is not as if it was all us.
So where do we go from here? More attacks on us and me? More reading outraged emails and phone calls from people who want to stir dissension?
Or do we accept that we are in the middle of a culture war; your side had the upper hand for eight years, now we have the responsibility. You are quite right to wish Obama well. I never once went to bed the last eight years without praying, sincerely, genuinely praying for Bush's continued good health. Not out of affection for him, but because what would come after was far, far worse.
Let's drop all this, ok? I want you here. Except for the racist, I've never objected to anyone - it's not my right. Hell, if all the liberals here got up a petition to Robert to ask him to ban you, I would not sign it. I'd tear it up. Of course, it is not the liberals here who do that...
Can we just move on, please? You keep biting your cheek, I will keep trying not to say "We won, you lost, hah-hah-hah" like that annoying kid in the Simpsons.
I never, ever said I wanted you to leave or even implied it. It is not my place and it is not my desire.
Look, we have had several months of intense debate and discussion. It's a safe bet that, except on the subject of guns (gun control to me means using both hands) we don't agree politically on just about anything.
I have never once said: "We won, you lost, better start looking for South American dictatorships to spend the next eight years." Nope, not once.
I admit, I take politics seriously. I am a strict constitutionalist, so, yes, I do get upset when the Constitution gets trampled on.
I did not, not even once, ever send anyone a private email filled with hate, spite or even one single threat or swear word.
I never, once, attacked anyone here, calling for them to leave. Yes, I do think any gay man who supports religious groups and political parties which call for them to be stripped of their civil rights and institutionalized is indulging in self-loathing behavior or sailing his barge down the river de-nial. Fine, so that makes me an impossible group member, one who must be attacked and torn to shreds?
No, it makes me a person who has a different perspective than many of the, I shall call them conservative, no doubt some will scream about that, gay men here who disagree with me.
So disagree.
This polarization is not good for our group. I contribute to Imperial when I know of something worth saying. I apologize when I have been rude, I try not to be rude again.
That said, no liberal here has sent conservatives hate-filled emails, threatened them and their families, called them Nazis...not saying you did any of this, I wouldn't believe it of you for a minute. But please remember, we on the left really got hit, and hit hard by the conservatives. It is not as if it was all us.
So where do we go from here? More attacks on us and me? More reading outraged emails and phone calls from people who want to stir dissension?
Or do we accept that we are in the middle of a culture war; your side had the upper hand for eight years, now we have the responsibility. You are quite right to wish Obama well. I never once went to bed the last eight years without praying, sincerely, genuinely praying for Bush's continued good health. Not out of affection for him, but because what would come after was far, far worse.
Let's drop all this, ok? I want you here. Except for the racist, I've never objected to anyone - it's not my right. Hell, if all the liberals here got up a petition to Robert to ask him to ban you, I would not sign it. I'd tear it up. Of course, it is not the liberals here who do that...
Can we just move on, please? You keep biting your cheek, I will keep trying not to say "We won, you lost, hah-hah-hah" like that annoying kid in the Simpsons.
runematic
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Keven, I have no problem with you. Just making my observations to your posts as I would expect you to mine. No malice or ill intent ment. I've moved on a long time ago. Life's to short and I've been in too much pain the last month to worry about much. I've been dealing with a bad pinched nerve in my neck. That makes it fun to take a refrig to the 3rd floor!
Todd,
You have my sympathies. Had one when I was eleven. Since then I know that you can feel hair growing on your toes, even that hurts.
Anything a manipulation can help or one of those thing which just eventually decide to stop torturing you?
You have my sympathies. Had one when I was eleven. Since then I know that you can feel hair growing on your toes, even that hurts.
Anything a manipulation can help or one of those thing which just eventually decide to stop torturing you?
runematic
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It gets better at times, like the last 3 days, and then like this morning I was stretching getting out of bed, and bam, it's back as bad as it was. I feel older every day.
The U.S. Senate race in Minnesota is turning into something of an office pool. Today their Star Tribune solicited math guesses, and I just finished a county by county spreadsheet.
If all existing margins remain the same (they certainly won't, although the overall state margin should be moreless in the ballpark), Franken is going to win by just over 15,000 votes. His leads in larger counties (such as Hennepin and Ramsey) are more than making up for Coleman's leads in smaller ones.
If all existing margins remain the same (they certainly won't, although the overall state margin should be moreless in the ballpark), Franken is going to win by just over 15,000 votes. His leads in larger counties (such as Hennepin and Ramsey) are more than making up for Coleman's leads in smaller ones.
