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Apparently Ariel Liquid and Ariel Gel now contain a new enzyme called 'Purezyme'. It appears to be a phosphodiesterase, and the action of this enzyme seems to 'unstick' soiling.

The gel format seems to have a total of six enzymes:
Protease, Phosphodiesterase, Amylase, Lyase, Cellulase, Mannanase.

The liquid format loses the cellulase enzyme.

"Seaweed, slime and socks: The science behind the suds"

https://phys.org/news/2020-09-seaweed-slime-socks-science-suds.html
 
Ah, that's interesting Launderess! I looked (a very quick look mind you) at the UK PG-info ingredients site for pods, but our pods don't seem to have the new enzyme.

I was also wondering if this 'new' wondrous enzyme could be put to good use in dishwasher detergents? Just think, tenacious stuff which sticks like glue (e.g. egg) might be more readily shifted.
 
Rolls_Rapide

I agree that it is probably beneficial for dishwashers as well.
From what I understand, the enzyme is going to be effective on biological or natural residues. Im guessing body oil, proteins, fats, and other substances of the like will probably be the target of the enzyme. I can only imagine it will remove some of the older buildup and odors as well. It does note that it will be effective at higher temperatures as well! I also have looked for Phosphodiesterase in the US Tide products and have not found it. It would make sense if it were in the Tide Hygienic Clean. I am halfway tempted to order some Ariel and see what I think!
 
I wondered too, based upon the anti-fouling properties of the enzyme in nature, whether the presence of the enzyme in the detergent will keep the machines any cleaner, especially at cooler temperatures... i.e less crud, mould and gunk?
 
UK Ariel 'All-in-1' pods...

Apparently do (my error) have the new Phosphodiesterase enzyme, though it seems depending on which flavour of these pods you buy, that the enzyme and one or more of the other enzymes might be absent...older formulations, grey imports, etc.

The Ariel 3-in-1 pods don't have it.

Neither do Bold All-in-1, or Daz All-in-1.
 
Machine Cleanliness

Good point. I hope it does!
It would be nice to see Phosphodiesterase in powders. It would work at slightly higher temps and boost cleaning where they tend to lack.
 
Most powders in my experience actually outperform liquids at dirt removal, even the consumer test magazines recognise that. And some powders are better than others.

I'm not convinced by that Ariel pod advert which has folk running through mud, and then shows them flinging pods into Hotpoint frontloaders... I saw a variant which had "As recommended by Hoover", and a Hoover machine tagged onto the end. Still had a row of Hotpoints in the main video though. Cheapskates.
 
Laundress and Rolls_Rapide

Laundress, I actually went to their website to see which products had it as well. Not a pod guy by any means, so I am not sure I want to bite the bullet and potentially end up with an old batch that does not have Phosphodiesterase.

Rolls_Rapide, I don't know if I have had the same experience, but I am not in the US. Not sure where you are. Consumer Reports no longer tests any powders, but Gain powder formerly was rated at Very Good for dirt removal at 70ºF, whereas quite a few liquids out perform it. I wish I had access to Which or other foreign test sites.
 
Wonder

When it went in?

Have bought Ariel Regular and Colour Pods this month, and Gel in the last 2.

Of course the packs just state "enzymes" on the ingredient list. I know the manufacture dates, but nowhere I could check if this would fall under before/after inclusion.
 
Lakewebsterkid

Rolls is in the U.K. Powders are still the most popular selling format here (very likely to much dismay of the manufacturers) and are regularly tested by our CR organisation (known as Which?)

They out perform liquids every single time. Besides the 2 very top tier liquids (Ariel or Persil) most liquids only score acceptably (and some miserably).

But the top rated powders always come out on top. Probably owing to the fact that they contain bleaching agents which of course liquids can't and our typically higher washing temperatures vs places like North America and Australia. They are reducing, but Europe still typically wash in warmer temperatures.
 
Thats what I figured!

I just don't understand how our powders in the US are not quite as good at removing 'dirt' in comparison to certain liquids. Potentially the higher wash temperature does have something to do with it. I reserve Tide Powder for washes over 105F/40C anyways. It is very odd how a majority of the world has different washing practices. Some find it odd to have hot water even supplied to their machine. I find it odd to not have a true hot wash from filling!
Though, again, it seems Phosphodiesterase can help with every wash load despite temperature. It might make cold and cool washes a little more tolerable for people like myself.
 
Would be interesting to know what "removing dirt" actually means to CR.
Is this an umbrella term for a variety of pigment stains which the detergent has to remove from stain patches or does it mean they check whiteness after repeated washings on redepositing of "dirt" as most European tests would do.
 
I noticed fairly recently too, that Lidl's Formil powder seems to have changed: new box shape (squatter, squarer - wouldn't fit in the cupboard!), new barcode (not the usual Lidl 8-digit code, this had 13 digits), different fragrance.

The upshot is that the new version is apparently made by Thurn (they who used to supply Aldi's Almat). Lidl's Formil was previously made by Dalli-Werke.

And the last time I looked well over a year or two ago, Aldi's Almat was being made by McBride.
 
Almat and Formil

Both tend to be frothy unless its me being heavy handed with the amount??? But I have found that both perform superbly when used in a Twin Tub In fact I have noticed it gets the whites cleaner in a 12 minute wash cycle than Ariel/Persil powder when used in a 2.5 hour 60c wash cycle....Go figure :)
 
Formil versus Ariel

I found that too.

A dried bloodstain on a pillow case was repeatedly washed with Ariel. It faded but did not remove it. This went on for months and months.

Then, switched to Formil. Three washes later, stain completely gone.

Very suspicious performance from Ariel. Perhaps their powders have been dumbed down to make the pods/liquids/gels look to be better in comparison?
 
Very suspicious performance from Ariel. Perhaps their powders have been dumbed down to make the pods/liquids/gels look to be better in comparison?

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, they seem hell bent on getting people converted to liquids, if not better pods.

We've ha the liquid capsule/pod on the market a lot longer than the US and still powders sell more.

You'd think they'd learn.
 
Some find it odd to have hot water even supplied to their ma

Agreed. Wouldn't give up the option for a hot water wash for anything.
 
"they seem hell bent on getting people converted to liquids, if not better pods."

They do. They must have lots of patents tied up in those.

Powders will be probably be well out of patents now. Even the 'smaller' detergent companies can produce powders of high quality these days.

Liquids are more polluting, according to the German consumer magazines. Probably far too easy to overdose too.

Hence the pods.

Charge a nice sum for each pre-measured dose... 'cos the customer can't be trusted to measure correctly.

Some might say that P&G probably rub their hands with glee at the prospect of customers bedazzled by the pods - and laugh all the way to the bank, to boot!
 
Starting with hot water wash from filling..

This is just wrong, totally wrong and even our great grandmothers and others knew this going way back.

All items worn near or in contact with human body will be contaminated with sebum/perspiration/body oils which are all protein based. If you want to get indelicate about things can add urine to that lot as well (undergarments alone hopefully).

In any event high temperatures will "cook" protein stains of all sorts ranging form body oils to blood and all in between. This is why laundry historically was always pre-soaked or pre-washed in cold, cool or lukewarm water before main wash with hot and certainly boiling water.

In Europe with various options for self heating washing machines ranging from electricity to gas early machines "Normal cottons/linens) cycle usually most always had a pre-wash before main wash cycle. Many machines would even heat pre-wash water by default to 30 degrees F. You could then cheat and start the wash with hot water if you had a decent supply and not worry about setting certain stains or soils.

In another thread in forum there is a vintage advert for a washing machine that says something like "why pay for heating water twice" or something. That machine had both hot and cold water connections and would fill with the former. Thus those who have combi-boilers or other means of ready hot water didn't have to rely upon cold fill and washer doing the heating. This made sense then, again if you happen to have a boiler or whatever near washer with lots of hot water just sitting there.

Newest EU directives regarding energy use have pretty much removed hot fill; nearly everything is cold only. This of course saves washing machine makers money because they only have the one connection.

Rationale for this being that as nearly from the start for European washing machines 208v to 240v or even in come cases 400v power is more than adequate to heat water in short amount of time, making hot fills not needed. More so since water consumption for wash cycles has been driven down to nearly wet wipe levels. Less water means less time and energy involved in heating.

Other benefit of this coupled with modern technology (fully computer controlled washing machines) is how is it is easy to get near perfect results. Washer's brain tells machine based upon cycle and or some other setting how high to heat water, what sort of profile to use and so forth.

Washer will start with cold, heat to whatever temp is chosen but maybe prolong period between 80F and 100F to allow enzymes to work better (famous "Stain" setting).

Many modern washers in at least EU have done away with pre-soak cycle, and pre-wash as part of "normal" is long gone. You can select it for heavily soiled and stained loads, but many washers between cold fill, stain button and washing profiles do well enough on normal.

When American housewives began moving to top loading automatics many practices of old that came with using wringer washers or doing the job by hand went by the boards. This included pre-soaking or washing laundry in cold water if hot or boiling was going to be main wash temp. Arrival of detergents (which are not deactivated by soils in ways soap is), meant many simply bunged things in machine and if "hot" wash was called for, that is what it started out as. This of course lead to aforementioned body soils being cooked into fabrics turning them yellow. Answer? Chlorine bleach!

American housewives and even some commercial laundries have long used chlorine bleach to cover a multitude of wash day sins.
 
State of Powder Detergents In USA

Really don't think P&G puts that much effort into Tide powder nowadays. Lord knows it is difficult to find as many supermarkets and shops have devoted nearly all shelf space to various liquid or pod formats. On the off chance you do find Tide or any other powder it is usually on lower shelf with only one or maybe to variants.

Liquid detergents more are more polluting IMHO. Just look at ingredient list for any liquid, gel, or pod detergent; it's long as your arm with often many suspect chemicals. That and by nature liquid products are loaded with preservatives to give them any sort of stable shelf life.

Think part of reason liquids are coming to dominate many markets is the rise of cool or cold water washing. It is possible to formulate powder detergents that will work well in cold water. But "cold" being defined as around 30 degrees C. At 20 degrees C or below things can get tricky.

Pods of course are taking over anyway it seems. They do offer a less messy way of using liquid format detergents. And there is the ease and portability many seem to like.
 
Yep charge a nice sum too, they sell them and they know that's the max amount of washes a consumer will get, so depending on pack size they know how often repeat purchases will be made.

There was an argument though (in the US) that since introduction of Pods, sales of detergent had actually gone down, they put it down to the fact as doses were premeasured the chance of happy pouring over dosing had gone so people weren't actually repeat purchasing as often, so what did they do - increased the amount of pods people were told to put in the wash!!

When they first come out in 2012, the advice was one and one pod only for any wash "tested with 900 wash cycle combinations" I think they spiel was. Now it's one, two or even three per wash.

In the U.K. they knew people wouldn't swallow this, so they max out at 2 (our machines are smaller) but have you noticed that on the adverts they are also eager to push that you can wash that last minute needed 1 item of clothing with 1 pod, what a waste.

Mr Alex so have they removed ALL oxygen bleach from Daz now then, I know it had been really reduced when it was changed to "whites&colours" (was put down to less than 5% from more than 15%) but did put know it had gone entirely.

Yes laundress in the last 10/15 possibly even 20 years I have known of only 2 machines launch with hot water fill, as rare as hens teeth. Would never give up powder, but do admit pods are handy despite their penchant for getting stuck in the door boot and taking ages to dissolve.
 
liamy1 - Unfortunately they've gotten rid of the oxygen bleach completely, I buy Daz Professional at a wholesaler that still has it though. I'm assuming the reason for getting rid of the oxygen bleach is to reduce the risk of colours fading and now relying entirely on phosphodiesterase. I might buy the whites & colours version when I run out of my Daz Pro just to see how well it performs
 
Mr Alex

Having tried Daz whites and colours I can testify that its utter shite.... I used max per cycle and with a pre wash it still left stains on white serviettes, When I have used the Ariel I have left I will see if I can get hold of any Daz Pro see if that works against Napoli sauce stains as even using Persil bio I had to add stain remover, I was a staunch Non bio person and it never failed keeping whites spot on but they changed it and it was as useless as Fairy Non Bio. I am on the look out for a powder that will clean without extra additives but it seems that its becoming hard to find.

Austin
 
Thanks Mr Alex!

I see on the info-pg site that 'Daz Ultra Whites' powder no longer exists. What are they playing at? Another example of a castrated detergent.

Procter & Gamble can go and take a running jump... right into the tide for all I care.

I think I'll stick to Lidl's Formil, which seems to wash consistently clean.

Austin: I find Formil is quite foamy too, and I have to restrict the millilitres to somewhere around 30ml - 45ml. Any more than that and I get half a drum full of suds.
 
"In the U.K. they knew people wouldn't swallow this, so they max out at 2 (our machines are smaller) but have you noticed that on the adverts they are also eager to push that you can wash that last minute needed 1 item of clothing with 1 pod, what a waste."

I would love to see the lovely mess of the item, when folk use a pod and the 14 or 15 minute quick wash. There's bound to be some undissolved portion of the pod stuck to the garment.
 
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