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timon90

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I've been working at Asko Elto Service this and last week, and I've seen MANY interesting machines! Here are a few of them:

The new Asko W6903, 1800rpm! Really amazing machine!
 
I also got anoter 20003, but it has defect electronic card. Trying to repair it. Lovely machine. This is the Excellence edition from 1991. The same machine as the one I already have, but oolder;)
 
Other machine I've got from Asko, is:

11004
12004
AM52 x2
AM56A
D3900 Proffesional diswasher. (3 years old)

This is machines that should be throwed away, but since I know the peoples at Asko Elto Service so good, they said I could take the machines I wanted:D They said also I was a really good worker, and want me to work there when I can. Ex. in my holydays and so. :D
 
noise?

What does the new Asko sound like when it's spinning at 1800 rpm? When I wash laundry in Sweden (at the homes of friends), it always sounds like a jet engine warming up during the final spin. I don't know the specs on the machine in Småland (one friend), but the one in Stockholm is a Bosch with I think 1400 or 1600 maximum final spin speed.

US size machines don't need to spin as fast to get the same water extraction. The centrifugal force varies with the sqaure of the redius, so a US machine with a basket 20% larger (diameter) than a Euro size machine will generate 44% more centrifugal force than the European machine at the same spin speed. As a result, 1000-1200 in the US will often result in clothing as dry as European washers with faster spin speeds.....and at lower speeds the washer does not sound like SAS or Norwegian Air Shuttle about to take off from Oslo Gardermoen Airport!
 
Hehe....I only heard it spin at 1200rpm, but it's really quiet! It can be programmed to spin at 2000rpm! European washers does have a better washresult andenergyrate that USA machines! USA machines is REALLY "oldish"! Strange that they still are made.
 
heja

Oops, I meant American FRONTLOADING machines....I did not mean toploading machines, of course they are obsolete and outdated.

My machine brand is Frigidaire, made and owned by Electrolux. I believe the machine is made in USA by a factory owned by Electrolux. It is front loading and spins at about 1000 rpm. Laundry comes out very clean...and DRY. However, it is larger than a European sized machine, 70 cm wide and too high to fit under a kitchen counter. The larger size generates more centrifugal force, so 1000 rpm on a big machine dries like 1400 rpm on a smaller machine.

Here is a list of their products


The prices you see listed are the "suggested price" but usually you can buy them for $150-200 less if you shop at a discount store like www.bestbuy.com or www.lowes.com

I believe Electrolux bought the Frigidaire brand so it could market its machines with a name very familiar in USA. When people see the name Electrolux, they think "vacuum cleaners", because no other products with the name Electrolux were sold in USA for many years. People had been buying Frigidaire washers for many years, but of course they were the old fashioned topload design.

One other difference between US and European frontloading washers: US machines fill from both cold and hot water lines. The heater on US machines is not used unless you select a temperature higher than what comes out of the hot water line (about 60-65 C or 140 F). If you select a temperature in the range of 30-60 C, the water enters the machine at the proper temperature, because it mixes water from both lines, and the machine beings to wash immediately. As a result, many machines can wash a load in 60 minutes or less.

If you select a higher temperature, then the heater must heat the water first to the correct temperature, and this can add 30-60 minutes extra to the wash time....US washers usually run on 120 V electricity, so there is not as much power flowing into the machine compared to Europe. When a high temperature is selected, the cycle can last two hours or more, more or less similar to European wash times.

Some of the more basic models do NOT have a heater, which is ok if you do not plan to wash at higher than 65 C. My washer does not have a heater and it works fine, but then it sits next to the house water heater and there is plenty of hot water available one meter away.

The models without heater cost several hundred dollars less than the heater models. Of course they would not work in a European setting with only a cold water line supply, but they do work here as long as you can live with having 65 C as the maximum wash temperature. All laundry areas in all homes less than 50 years old in US will include a laundry area with both hot and cold water lines. I enjoy the shorter wash times, because the machine does not have to heat the water, and when I wash clothes in Europe the two hour cycle times always drive me nuts.

PS some people in US will use European cold water fill washers (usually with 240 V service) in areas that were not originally meant to be laundry areas. For example, I know someone in New York City in an apartment who ran a cold water line into a large double closet and installed a Miele European sized machine. The apartment was built without a laundry area, the laundry room was in the basement and this person became tired of always having to go to the basement in an elevator to wash clothes.

 
ps

Where I live, front loading machines are sold more than top loading machines. In California, we must conserve water, so the government and water agencies of course want people to have front loading machines, which use less water. When I bought my washer, I received a $100 rebate (rabatt) from the county (lan) water agency. I also received $50 rebate from the company that supplies the natural gas to the house, since I heat water and dry clothes with natural gas, not electricity. Since front loading machines do a better job of drying the clothes during final spin, and because they use less gas-heated hot water, the gas company wants to encourage people to buy front loading machines.

In some parts of USA, water is abundant and there is not as much pressure to conserve water. Also, some parts of USA have electricity that costs half of what it costs in California, particularly areas with abundant hydro power and government-owned electricity companies (instead of private companies that make a profit). In such areas, people tend to use electricity to heat water and dry clothes, and since the power is cheaper, no one rewards the consumer who buys a more efficient front loading machine. I suppose the "reward" is lower monthly bills for electricity.
 
You really need to know the % residual moisture, not the spin speed.

E.g. my Hotpoint-Ariston Aqualtis does a 1600rpm spin and gets down to 38% residual moisture.
 
Electrolux of Sweeden is the owner of Frigidaire(as well as quite a few other brands in America, Europe and Asia)they have nothing to do with the well known American vacuum cleaner of the same name.For a while,they(Elec. of Sweed.) were selling their line of vacuum cleaners and missleading consumers, who knew no better,to buy theirs thinking they were the same traditional brand their grandparents swore by.
 
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