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I can only assume SQ will be forced, finally, to put out an "eco-friendly" machine that will probably perform like all the other so-called "eco-friendly" machines, in other words, like crap.

That being the case, I am planning to stock up on parts while I can. I will be securing a motor, trans, and timer, the 3 things that in time will go so I can continue to repair, as needed, this beast.

I have no intention of being forced at some point to replace a machine that flat out works if and when in the future SQ stops making replacement parts for it.

Even if I spend half to three quarters of the purchase price on future replacement parts, it means I can keep this machine going until the day I die.

Thoughts?

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I doubt that Speed Queen will stop making their topload agitator washer. Rather, as they've begun producing for Australia and the commercial market, they'll be making a machine capable of being HE or... not if you wish. Here is the Australian control panel, it does have the cycle selector vs the timer and the option of being HE (aka, the grey water rinse) or the regular with a full, separate deep rinse. One of our members in AU has had the chance to use this version of the machine... Perhaps he can elaborate.

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I suspect they will be coming out with a new machine in the U.S. as new energy standards put in place in 2012 will be mandatory beginning in March 2015 and even tighter standards are mandatory beginning January 2018.

The DOE is even going after manufacturers of the big multi-nozzle shower heads which previously were allowed due to a loophole in the regulations. Pretty soon they will be regulating how hot our shower water can be and how long we can stay in the shower.
 
Australian market AWN62A Speed Queen's

The machine Jamie has shown has replaced the AWN552 here on the Oz market, the model i own which is now doing service at my parent's place.

New regulations came into effect for machines to be sold on the Oz market that had to meet what is termed a 'AAA' 'water rating'. The only way Speed Queen could continue selling their domestic version was to have a 'high efficiency' cycle which uses much less water than the 'regular' deep rinse setting. They've also rated the machine 7kg rather than the 8kg of the previous model, even though they have the same bowl size.

I'm pretty sure 'mattywashboy' in WA has used this at his work, but as of last night, my neighbours decided to purchase this SQ AWN62A to replace their 4 yr old Simpson after discussing the machine with myself. The fact his wife is also Canadian was a factor in their decision, as she wanted a strong top loader that would outlast their Simpson...she also remembered her mother having one when she was young.

I'm actually purchasing it for them as i can get it at a substantial discount, so hopefully, i'll be able to take a video or two of it working!

Cheers
Leon
 
I do not think the water portion of the regulations will put the machine out. Rather the electrical energy requirements will do it in. I'm sure they could reduce the water levels (which you could then change) to get to the lower water factor. But to get the electrical component they will have to raise the spin speed (to reduce the amount of water sent to the dryer.). From what I understand about the machine it uses an AC motor hooked to a timer so the only way to raise the speed would be to re-tool the transmission. Even this step would not save the machine if load size sensing is required. The transmission change is definitely possible but I wonder if it is worth it to the company. In order to hit the 2018 standards they would need load size detection and thus a computer control. I would guess the machine will still be around in 2015 but gone in 2018.
 
Yes the Speed Queen 'HE Friendly' washer is the one we have at work. Its used on average three times a day but can be more depending...

I must say its an absolute workhorse of a machine, quick cycles yet still a deep thorough wash, its great! Everyone at work comments how much better it is than the old Simpson we had.

The HE aspect of the machine is selected by the user at the start of the wash. This incorporates several Eco Soaks into the cycle which are 15 minutes each. It then does an extended spray rinse to replace the traditional deep water rinse. the High Efficiency option is not something we ever use as the Eco Soaks cause the cycle to take approx 1.5 hours instead to the usual 40 minutes. Not ideal for a busy house. Also the lack of a deep rinse will flare up the detergent sensitivities we have to care for in our residents. We have had to start using a Sensitive Baby type detergent as our regular detergents were starting to cause rashs, dry and itchy skin.

So thats basically the style of the High Efficiency option on our new Speed Queen at work. I have on occasion used it as a soak/prewash cycle for the kitchen towels and cleaning cloths. I run it overnight on the HE cycle then when i get back to work the next morning I run it through a regular cycle, very effective but I find the regular hot cycle gets rid of most of the stains anyway without soaking or prewashing.

Heres a pic. The one other different aspect of this machine is the fill flume is offset to the left hand side and angled so that it points the spray towards the back of the tub. Very effective for spray rinses :-)

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energy standards put in place in 2012 will be mandatory 2015

I keep reading about new energy standards, when I don't understand why they allow a machine to take twice as long to clean clothes using electricity and expect it to be done with little to no water.
Why aren't they just as concerned about electric use as they are water, you NEED water to clean the clothes and a REASONABLE amount of water to be effective even in a front loader.
Does anyone think that the Energy Standards will ever catch on that it's not just water that is used for laundering.
Power rates are raised here so often that nothing is being done about it anymore, yet they keep crying wolf over water usage, I don't get it??
 
New Energy Star Washers

Do use a LOT less electricity in spite of longer cycles, the main motors in the newer machines often draw only 1/4 of the power of older machines with split phase motors and of coerce the newer machines spin so much more water out of the load that considerable amounts of electricity or gas is saved when the clothing is dried. Some of the time lost in longer cycles is made up by drying time saved weather you use a dryer or hang clothing for drying.

 

There is no turning back from progress [ yes there will be some fine tuning ] but most consumers LOVE their new ES FL and TL washers. In the DC metropolitan area at least 1/2 of people now have hi efficiency washers and there have been no outbreaks of rashes or people walking around in torn or dirty clothing.

 

I asked one of my customers who is a Dermatologist if she has seen any increase in people complaining about rashes and other skin problems that might be related to clothing they are wearing. She said if anything she sees far less of these type problems than she did ten years ago which she attributed to detergent makers being more concerned about what goes into their products.
 
Yes and its too bad

they break more often and take longer to do laundry. Thanks but I will stay with an old school machine that works without any BS.

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Why Not...

Just buy a backup machine and store it. Probably the same price as hoarding all those parts...

Malcolm
 
ya know Malcolm

you might just be on to something! Only problem is where in the heck I can store it! But in the long run, I agree with you. Thus when the exsisting machine wears out after 20 years, I can drag out my new old stock machine and run.
 
predicting the future....think about it...you have a chance now to buy, versus how many of us wish we could have seen the future and bought a Custom Imperial Frigidaire, SpeedQueen solid tub, or GE FilterFlo back then...and saved it for today....instead were on an endlss search trying to locate and restore vinatge machines.....it could have been hiding in back of the closet all this time...

theres a will, theres a way!!!!

If we only had a crystal ball back then.....

nows your chance!
 
I'm probably going to get bashed for this.

If the old machines were all so great how come they are almost all gone? Also it seems that about every other person here knows how to fix their favorite legacy machine? I don't get how fixing an old machine is somehow more noble than fixing a new machine.

In the formulas for electrical efficiency the biggest chunk is not charged for running the washer but for the water in the clothes when they go into the dryer. Also in storing machines front you should be very cautious about the rubber seals in the machine, they may not last and getting new ones may be impossible. With parts usually stocked for a decade or two after production ends is it possible to get rubber parts for classic machines today?
 
Well aptone1 with me, its a matter of principle as well

Ya see, part of my reason for the SQ top loader is I go against trends or what CR and other media outlets tell us how to live. I prefer to gather information and use my brain to form my own opinion on what works best for ME and my laundry.

With regard to DOE regs, I can find no valid research regarding water usage and how we're all going to dry up and blow away scrounging for water in the next 10-20 years.

I feel the marketplace should be calling the shots. For instance, let us presume Acme Washer Co. puts out a steller FL machine that is a hit and other makers follow, then naturally I would expect to see FL machines dime a dozen. What I am in 100% disagreement with is hoopla made up from false assumptions on climate change, eco change, or whatever change is "trending" these days and thus crying to the DOE to "force" us into what IT thinks is best for US. That is not a hallmark of democracy, but rather trappings of a totalitarian dictatorship. I refuse to go along with such micromanagement. Period.

Besides, isn't the credo spewed by the eco-nazis called reduce, reuse, recycle? Whether or not it is "noble" to fix an existing machine is a matter of opinion.
What isn't "noble" is overpriced, cheaply made, repair prone, expensive to fix techno laden machines that do more to fatten up shareholder value than customer value.

In the end, it really boils down to control. Always has, always will. Since biblical times, mother earth is always going to be populated by a select group seeking to control another group or a majority.

Climate change and blaming it on humans is patently false. Global warming is false.
In fact, once upon a time this planet was warm enough to support large reptilian life forms and based on my understanding of history, we had no TL machines wasting water, no large SUV or pickup trucks no coal fired power plants, nothing. So how can that be explained?

The best way to control a population is generate a "crisis" then convince the population that draconian measures are needed to "correct" it (witness the NSA for example), and put in severe penalties to make sure everyone toes the line. Often it involves removal of consumer choice with said choices being replaced by what the controlling entity "believes" is in YOUR best interest. Poor former East Germany, for decades they had the lowly Trabant car and had to wait 10 long years to get one after order was placed. But I bet the government felt good about "taking care of the population" didn't it?
 
The only reason, and this is the ONLY reason

manufacturers like GE and Whirlpool agreed to make these machines that use a teaspoonful of water and a drop of soap to make a formula in which your clothes tumble for two hours is...................MONEY, they got tax breaks from the federal govt. to build these over priced pretty looking spaceships which last on average five years....so it is a win win for the manufacturer...GE and Whirlpool get tax breaks, and consumers are in the market for a washer again in five years!!! Meanwhile the CEO of GE sits in the WH and claims to be bringing manufacturing jobs back to America!! at $13 dollars an hour gimme a break!!! Everyone on this site who has bought a front load washer, and I mean all of you, complain that these machines use too little water to effectively clean clothes, and all of you have tried and some succeded at adding more water to your washers. Sorry, gimme an old fashioned water guzzling top loader anyday....imagine taking a shower with no water, washing your car with no water, your dog...you can't...water works best to wash clothes, not a solution. The only loser in this equation is the consumer.
Mike
 
Storing a new washer for future use

Storing a new machine should not be a problem today for maybe 50 years or longer, modern materials including rubber and vinyl parts do not dry out and turn to dust or hard and brittle bits like materials that were used 50 years ago. There are no seals in a new SQ washer that must be kept wet for example. Stockpiling parts for these machines should not be a problem either, new packaged parts will last a very long time.
 
'''''' New Washers Do Not Last As Lo

Prove IT, Ben, after being in the appliance repair and sales field for nearly 40 years now we have seen no evidence that overall repair problems have increased and no evidence that appliances are lasting a shorted time period when you look at the complete picture, even the worst junk today [ like the broken GE TLers you posted ] are still on average outlasting the average 1950s and 60s AWs.

 

 
 
The proof I find sufficient to convice me

is the 1 year factory warranty offered. My plastic GE profile had at least a lifetime warranty on inner and outer tub along with a 10 year transmission warranty.

If these machines are so reliable, why only warrant them for a year. Heck, my old GE dishwasher had a lifetime warranty on the plastic tub. New one? A year.

As I stated before, if warrantees reflect confidence in a product, then GE, Whirlpool, et al must not have much.
 
'''''' New Washers Do Not Last? &#39

The length of the warranty that a manufacturer offers on their product has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to due with how long a product will last.

 

Often products with the best warranties are the products with the poorer repair records and past histories of problems, but if you are have convinced yourself that shorter warranties mean the products ware out faster, good for you and it makes it easy to see how you have reached many of your other opinions in life, LOL.
 
Please don't speak for me, mtn1584.  My Whirlpool made Kenmore HE3t FL washer is now over 10 years old, and going strong. While I loved my previous GE Filter-Flo washer, the washer I have now saves me money every month by using less water, energy, and additives. My clothes are cleaner and last longer. It is true, I was shocked at how little water it used when I first got it, but the superior results sold me on FL washers. While I can appreciate the benefits that my FL washer has provided me, I respect that other people enjoy restoring, fixing, collecting, and using traditional TL washers. The reason I am a member on this site is because I enjoy being a part of the automatic washer family, watching the videos, and participating in the discussions. I think we should all make an effort to respect each other's experiences, and appreciate our differences.
 
 
<blockquote>Everyone on this site who has bought a front load washer, and I mean all of you, complain that these machines use too little water to effectively clean clothes, and all of you have tried and some succeded at adding more water to your washers.</blockquote> I also take exception to this statement.  While I have not *bought* a frontloader, I did use a Whirlpool Duet in my home for several months last year.  I did not make any effort to increase the machine's water level, and I found it to be an *excellent* performer.
 
My 2010 Frigidaire (ultra-low water use) does an excellent job of cleaning. I have never added a drop of water to the machine.

This is what I've found: Some people see how little water is used by new front-loaders and immediately assume it won't clean. This is a fallacy. Most do an excellent job straight out of the box. Being compelled to add water to a front-loader says more about the user than the appliance.

I've steered quite a number of people toward purchasing LG and Frigidaire front-loaders. All but one had active families. All have liked their machines.
 
Let me clarify myself.....

the overwhelming majority of the people who belong to this site, not all of you as I previously stated.
Mike
 
I rest my case.....................

Post# 476798..............one of the many posted throughout the years.
Mike
 
There are people in the world that actually believe that a 50's car is superior to a modern vehicle too. Perhaps in a few (very few) ways they are, but in virtually EVERY measurable (objective) aspect of performance a modern car is VASTLY superior. Just look at how modern cars can go for 100,000 miles with nothing but oil changes. How many sets of points and plugs would it take for a 57 Chevy to get to 100k miles?

I think that largely the same is true of appliances, technology has improved things in many ways. Of course the mandated safety engineering that improved cars so much doesn't apply to appliances to the same degree. Also since appliances are more of an overlooked and less expensive necessity, perhaps their durability is not considered as often.

I'm in no way saying that modern appliances (or cars) have the same panache or style of the vintage units. I would very much appreciate taking a Sunday drive in a 50's car or doing my laundry in a vintage machine. But when it comes to day in and day out serviceability I want something a tad more modern. Drum brakes and bias ply tires have NO business on todays highways.

Personally I have a number of old tube HiFi amplifiers that I love to take for a "Sunday drive" from time to time, but they aren't nearly as accurate as modern gear. Some prefer them though but I feel that is due to agreeable distortions that they like. So now we break into the realm of subjectivity vs objectivity.

I think that much of what I read of people not liking the new appliances is subjective. A preconceived notion that they aren't as good or can't wash as well with less water etc. The issue needs some objectivity also, proper testing which is difficult to do. Eugene has demonstrated a few tests where he has normalized many of the variables to be fairly objective.

One of the big variables is that MANY people never learn to adapt to a modern frontload machine for example. This is why some people never get a funky smelling washer but others do. You can drive nails with the side of a hammer but it works better if you learn how to use it as designed. Like many things in life when change happens we can either adapt or not. Change isn't always for the better, but nor is it always for the worse. Keeping an open mind is a good thing.

Bottom line we all likes what we likes, and there is nothing wrong with respectful disagreement. For me I strive to find products that give me the best performance with the least impact on my wallet and on the Planet. I am but one person that lives on this rock, and I don't have the right to use more resources then I need to.
 
Pardon me combo52 for disagreeing

Seems your holier than thou attitude is really coming through here. And it's beginning to really annoy me so I will say this once.

Put your mouth and attitude in park will ya? I'm an adult and I do not appreciate being talked to like I am your child or something. You are not at all required to agree with anything I say but your "superior" attitude, to put it mildy, sucks.

And how do you know how I came to "other" opinions in life? Are you ghost writing my biography or something? You don't know jack squat about me so button it up.

Just because you sell/repair washers does not make you the be-all-end-all source of knowledge. You live and I presume work in MD. Are your experiences such that it applies to all other 49 states also?

Fact is, I did my research thoroughly before buying the SQ. And before you harp on about how I think SQ is the only TL worth buying let me tell you if Maytag, GE or Whirlpool made a TL that worked like my old GE, trust me I would buy one in a heartbeat. No kidding.

But fact is, they don't. I browsed newsgroups, forums, reviews. I went out and kicked the tires so to speak. I spoke to salesmen/women. I went on each manufacturer website that showed reviews. I read them all good and bad. Short of geting POS data from every place that sells washers and calling each customer one by one and asking questions (which is unrealistic)I feel I did my homework and made a sound decision.

You may not agree but so be it. Life goes on my friend.
 
kb0nes, you make a compelling point in your last sentence

My question is, who or whom makes the decision on what constitutes using more resources than is necessary? Who decides if you are using too much water to wash clothes?
 
The U.S. Dept of Energy sets the standards supposedly based on feedback from manufacturers, consumer groups and environmental advocates. In 2010, the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers and its Major Appliance Division member companies signed an agreement with a nationwide coalition of energy and water efficiency supporters to dramatically increase the energy and water efficiency of home appliances. That is from an article by the American National Standards Institute.
 
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