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Thanks Robert!

When I finally get moved into my new place, I'll need some further advice on the Rollermatic too. I can't wait till i can use it.

joe
jamman_98
 
Did not mean to insinuate that a Rollermatic was an unreliable machine, or that it should not be used at all. Only suggested that the rare machine could be better preserved by having a less rare machine share the 156 loads of wash per year.
 
Alliance Laundry Systems was prevented by contractual agreement not to compete in the domestic laundry market for only a certian period of time. Once that period expired, Alliance was free to compete and launched the "Homestyle" SQ product line-up.

IIRC, the time period was part of the original sale which broke up SQ into domestic and commercial markets, with Goodman receiving domestic, and Alliance the commercial.

L.
 
BTW, I finally got up-close-and-personal with a Speed Queen frontloader, today. It really is built like a tank. Now if they'd just configure a cycle with a long (18-25 minute) wash time, I'd definitely put it on my list.

A 9-minute wash is fine for many loads----heck, I use my 6-minute Quick Wash cycle frequently---but not having the option for a long wash is silly.
 
"...I would restore the Kenmore for the "everyday driver" and keep the Rollermatic for the more fun type of washing. "

I concur.

Rollermatics are historically unreliable. I personally wouldn't have one; there are better choices. The earlier machines (Unimatic, Pulsamatic, Multimatic) are much better. Unfortunately, the transmissions were likely much more expensive to manufacture.
 
best & worst

I have limited experience with the vintage machines, but I'd say that the best I've used were the early '60's Frigidaire. The worst-and I love front-loaders, by the way-would be the Bendix for its lethargic spin, followed by the late '60's Westinghouse Laundromat for its extremely noisy belt-shifting solenoids and tangling of clothes, and anything by WCI, including their version of the Laundromat (I had two tubs rust out!). By far the best current machines: The Whirlpool Duet HT washer, and its matching Duet dryer.
 
OH LAWD! Multimatic better than Rollermatic?

Austin, surely you jest!

Before I embarked on my career as a professional engineer, I serviced appliances and TV's. That was in the 1970's, so it is possible that I know a thing or two about washers...

Sorry, but the rollermatics were broke all the time. By contrast, the real workhorses were the WP/KM (belt drive) units, which seemed to take the most overload and abuse and keep running. Most of the other brands worked OK as long as they weren't overloaded. Some, however, were better washers than others.

When I came across this forum, I was surprised to see the emphasis on Frigidaire. While I think these are interesting and unique machines, the fascination with them here--after the fact--is not representative of the market (or market share) at the point in time when these machines were new.

In fact, most customers were ambivalent towards Frigidaire machines and many did not like them at all. I think this is one possible reason that so many have survived for your collections. Customers' would get frustrated repairing them or with their idiosyncrasies and they would just get another washer; sticking the "perfectly good" Frigidare in a corner somewhere.

Finally, I think that the more reliable "work horse" machines just got used up and were retired to washer heaven. The exception to this may be Maytag: the 'tags seemed to have an easier life than most other washers and weren't often abused; as if their owners' were more conscious of their habits and took more pride in owning their appliance. Strange.
 
Well I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with you on some points Joseph and here are my reasons why. I have spoke to many old time authorized Frigidaire service people in my day, and 90% of them all have the same story. They told me that the Unimatic was so rugged you could shoot a bullet through it and it would keep running. They said the Multimatic and Pulsamatic weren’t quite as good, but it was more reliable than the Rollermatic machines. With each redesign the mechanisms were produced with slightly cheaper parts which lead to more reliability issues. Now with so many completely different designs, service personnel had to be properly trained otherwise the machines were not properly maintained and that only made matters worse. Most service people were not interested in keeping up with new designs and like to work only on machines they were very familiar with, such as Whirlpool or Maytag which had not change their basic design in decades. I've worked on all these machines within the past 10 years and not one of them really is any easier to work on than another if you know the machine inside and out. All of them have made me say some naughty words at times. Personally if I had to pick a washer to work on it would be a Unimatic, that is because I know it so well I could do it in my sleep.

As for market share, in the 1970's the Whirlpool design was first, Maytag second, General Electric third and Frigidaire was fourth. With a market share of 4th that leaves us with a lot of washers out there to find. I'm not sure what the market share in the early or mid 1950's was, but I suspect Frigidaire was second, maybe even first at times.

Personally I have found at many estate sales, 1-18 Frigidaire that were hooked up and still being used to that day. I found quite a few solid tub Rollermatic that were still being used, two Multimatics and even a 1949 Unimatic, when I found it in 1998 the little old lady was still using it, she said it had not needed a repair since the 1970s. The only reason it was time for a new washer for her was the timer motor had finally given out and she tried to get it repaired unsuccessfully.

I do not think that the general population treated their washer differently by brand. I do agree however that for reliability, the Whirlpool and Maytag design would win over a Rollermatic, as for a Unimatic or Multimatic, I suspect they could hold their own.
 
That I Have Used and Owned Over the Years

Best Washing Ability: Wards/Norge, Frigidaire Rollermatic

Worst Washing Ability: Philco Bendix Front Loader, Belt Drive Kenmore with Super Roto Swirl

Best Water Extraction: Frigidaire Rollermatic, Wards/Norge

Worst Water Extraction: Philco Bendix Front Loader, WCI Frigidaire with porcelain tub.

Best Lint Removal: GE Filter Flo, Kenmore with self-cleaning filter.

Worst Lint Removal: Wards/Norge (storm of lint)

Quietest Machine: Maytag Helical, Kenmore belt drive

Noisiest Machines: Frigidaire Rollermatic, Wards/Norge, GE/Hotpoint (clank at end of spin)

Best at Unbalanced Loads: WCI Frigidaire, Frigidaire Rollermatic

Worst at Unbalanced Loads: Wards/Norge (came walking my direction when I was a kid).

Most Reliable Machines: GE Filter Flo, Maytag Helical

Least Reliable Machines: WCI Frigidaire, Frigidaire Rollermatic
 
Cant Say for the best but can for the worst

Any thing made by Alliance I have a number of the machines and they all su** , I have not seen The new Speed Queens and cannot speak for them but will find out more... Also stay away from Anything W C I everything they did was do do ...What Speed Queen Model did you see? I would like to look at it. Alliance also makes Uniwash , Unimac . Huebuch, And bought out Ajax and has now killed it, I think they are W C I in hiding.
 
My Take?!?!?!?!?!????

"Histroyman"

As for what I think the best/worst automatic washers EVER made, here is my take:

Best Vintage Washer:

BEST EVER: Maytag (never owned one, but I have been reading Consumer Reports from the 1960's thru the 1970's, and Maytags have always topped the ratings each and every time).

1ST RUNNER UP: Belt-Drive Kenmore/Whirlpool (I grew up with two of them..... one of them lasted 11 years (the first nine without a service call), and the second one was still running LONG after I have left home (in 1987...... a decade after my late mother purchased it back in August 1978)....... And a third one (a 67' Kenmore with 2 Speeds and 3 Cycles with Dispensers and OBB) lasted for almost 25 years before it had finally bit the dust more than 16 years ago........ These are really Whirlpools with Sears' Kenmore name badge on them with their lids positioned side ways instead of toward the back like the Whirlpools themselves...... But I rank the Kenmores slightly ahead of Whirlpools because Sears seems to have more stylish and more fully featured machines for the money....... Note the Lady Kenmores that I have checked out all during the years).

2ND RUNNER UP: Frigidaire (From the Unimatics of the 1950's thru My Late Uncle's Mid/Late 1960's Rapidry Rollermatic all the way thru the 1-18's of the 1970's, You cannot knock a Frigidaire for cleaning power, rinsebility and water extraction..... I also was taken aback by the way a vintage Frigidaire would agitate its washload (up and down instead of back and forth like our Kenmores tend to do).

Worst Vintage Washer:

THOUGH NOT THE WORSE EVER: Westinghouse T/L (again, never owned one....... but Consumer Reports always had it in for them every year during the 1960's).

Best Foreign Washer:

BOTH VINTAGE AND MODERN: Miele F/L (Hands Down...... But they're expensive as shit).

Best Modern Washer:

BEST CURRENT WASHER: Kenmore Elite HEt3/HEt4 - Whirlpool Duet (2001-Present).

1ST RUNNER UP: Kenmore Elite Oasis - Whirlpool Cabrio.

Worst Modern Washer:

THAT'S EASY (!!!!): GE T/L (the ones that were manufactured from 1995 to the present..... Plain and simple, they're nothing but plastic junk. If I have to have a GE Washer today, I would seek out an older "Filter-Flo" before I settle for a modern day GE..... If you want proof...... there is one sitting on the curbside in my neighborhood right now..... the cabinet is still brightly white and new looking........ proof's in the pudding..... need I say more????).

Best Dryer: To me, none really stood out or stand out today, so then, features, performance and reliability will have sway my decision if I was in the market for a dryer today. And for me, that would probably be a Lady Kenmore or a deluxe Kenmore/Whirlpool dryer dating from the 1960's to one of the Kenmore Elites of today (Solid-State Moisture Sensor, Wrinkle-Guard, Lighted Consoles and Drums, Full-Width Doors and Quiet Operation....... Need I say more????).

--Charles--
 
Ken, That white on white dryer with the HOT remote heating box on top is my all time favorite dryer. I don't need to know anything about its performance, but it's such a hot dryer that I'll bet it's fast, probably one of the fastest pieces ever made. Like many dryers, it will probably slow down as it ages and lint builds up, but then everything it turns out will be wonderfully soft, fluffy and just the sort of thing you want to hug against your bare skin and bury your face in. I do not understand why some people are not turned on by appliances.
 
issue versus problem

Ok, this is only slightly off-topic, but when did machines start having "issues" instead of problems...
(ducks and runs)
As for the best in my US experience: Unimatic.
Second best, GE filter-flo before they got plastic-y.
Worst, modern Whirlpool. I hate them thoroughly. They have killed more good brands than everybody else together.
Worst vintage machine (based on repairs as housemaster) Rollermatic.
And yet - the worst rollermatic of my life (nasty little 1966 piece of, well - you know what) was 1000 times better than the "best" stuff built today. Sad.
An awful lot of UK stuff was good back when it was built in the Uk. Since Merloni took over, nothing new is worth the price of a repair. Or purchase.
For Germany, have to say - until Whirlpool killed them, Bauknecht was the best mixture of creativity and value.
Today, Miele wins hands down.
 
Obviously Panthera you hate WP through and through, you have made it known time and time and time ad nausem..about your hatred. The sales figures and reliability of these machines over here in the GOOD OLD USA totally contradict any bullshit you have to say.

I have always had good service from this company and across the board they are the best BAR NONE!!!

That is my personal opinion and i am sorry if feelings are hurt.

You know what too f****** bad.
 
In my experience-not CU the best I have used would have been older Norge,KN and WP-esp belt drives.I can't comment on FL's since I don't own any and haven't used any.
worst machines would be the direct drive KN-treats your clothes like a Roto Tiller-and when it spun would ance and break its outer plastic wash tub.Poor quality.thru a use with my freind and seeing it die a brutal death-the PLASTIC GE would be the worst machine I have experienced.The one my freind had spread water and plastic shrapnel all over their laundry room floor.We took it to the dump and placed it before the dump landfill compactor and waiting for the moment-the "pactor opoerator must have been on a long lunch break-we wanted to see the 'pactor roll over that horrible machine!
 
o, my paws and whiskers

The question was, what is the best/worst in our own opinion.
I answered it.
Why this should lead to such an outburst as agiflow's, is beyond me.
I shall withdraw from this thread, lest my comments incite more discord.
 
Let's not get carried away here please, these are just personal opinions as any of these machines will get the job done, generally just fine. Any one of them could serve as our only washer and we would get along perfectly, we would just adjust the way we do the wash for the machine we have.

No need to leave the thread Kevin, everyone just remember there will never be a consensus on what comprises "best" and what is "best".
 
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