Biden admin proposes more stringent efficiency standards

[sudsmaster]

I switched to a Maytag Neptune about 25 years ago and have never looked back. I did accumulate a collection of other washers, but the only one of those I've been using has been a Miele front loader. It's in a building with no water heater so the internal heater works out well.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

wash quality

So tell me, how can you get great wash quality in just 6 inches of water? You can't! You need water to clean anything. I just want clean laundry and dishes! Same for the dishwashers using a gallon of water. Make it make sense!

 

[mattl]

The amount of water is less important than the wash action.  There are lots of TL machines that use copious amounts of water and still do a crappy job. A FL lifts and drops items forcing water and detergent through the fabric. 

 

As many of us who experimented with increasing the water level in the machine have discovered wash action is much poorer if there is too much water in a FL, clothes just slosh around in the puddle. The lift and drop is key to cleaning ability.

 

[DADoES]

 
Exactly what Matt says.

As I've probably stated in a previous post, I once washed several sheer curtain panels in a Duet frontloader.  I figured the Delicate cycle would be appropriate.  Delicate purposely fills higher to cushion the tumbling action.  The curtains floated in the water, did not rollover even once through the entire wash period, and rinses.  There was some powder detergent residue remaining caught in the folds.  I immediately ran the load again on Normal which fills to a lower level. Much better action, the items tumbled and rolled repeatedly.  No remaining detergent residue.

Regards to dishwashers ... my DishDrawer that's 19 and a half years old takes less than 1 gallon of water per fill.  It washes and rinses very well.

 

[sudsmaster]

I suspect that our Jerome doesn't quite get the more efficient and less wasteful action of a front loader. The rotating horizontal drum lifts the articles out of the water and then dumps them back in, repeatedly. This uses far less water and detergent than a typical top loader. It may also be more energy efficient, although that's not the main point. In my experience a front loader washes better than a top loader, and also it is less stressful on fabrics. And I have run both.

 

 

[gelaundry4ever]

front loader

Of course, I have had front loaders and have good results with them, especially with a pump that recirculates water. However, you cannot wash clothes in 6 inches of water in a top load washer.

 

[foraloysius]

Well, you can wash clothes in 6 inches of water in a European top loader.

 

[sudsmaster]

Or, in an American top loader set to a small load. More or less.

 

 

[bradfordwhite]

#100

Exactly. MattL is bringing the truth.

Mentally: subconsciously we as humans are drawn to water for logical reasons. We are nothing without it. And that affects all aspects of our lives and when gone unchecked we can get fooled.

Fooled into wasting water.
Fooled into taking long showers or soaking in a bath tub.
Fooled into improperly planning for the event we lose water use.

And fooled into living right next to water when we no longer need to have a blatant source right next to us since we have PUMPS and plumbing lines.

The biggest fools are those who are willing to pay extra to live right on a lake or ocean "because of the view" as if they, or their long lost relatives, were in the shipping business centuries ago.
It makes them think they have the water of life at their beck and call. Regardless of the risks.

However, if you live on an ocean or a lake with foul water like in Florida, that water is useless. Humans can't use salt water and you don't want stinky moldy water either.

Speaking of Florida, it's a peninsula. Basically a low lying sand bar with vulnerable sandy soils that have frequent sink holes. Because it's surrounded by salt water, none of that water is useable. Because of rising tides, that sea water is infiltrating and pushing it's way into the aquifers rendering the drinking water poisoned.

Don't be those fools. Use water efficiently.