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Well that suits you just fine.

However my findings are just as valid as what you might find doing it your way.

Can you define the actual temperature in degrees *C when you mean COLD?

Cold can mean so many things in my experience.
 
I agree with Rob

Cheap clothing can take a hot 95 degree wash, they can withstand the temperature, the issue is whether it is worth washing such cheap clothing at high temperatures. I've never believed that clothes get damaged due to hot temperatures, especially after watching the Persil Power report, it depends on the wash speed and the type of detergent used, not temperature. I personally don't use 95, but a good 60 degrees with prewash is the best thing to use, and 40 for the rest. Anything like 30 or lower turns the machine into a mould factory (experienced first hand when I found white mould growing in the door seal, even with the door open as the low temp isn't enough.
 
I do wash my jeans every 2 months, sometimes once every mont

Sorry, but that is absolutely rancid! It's bad enough that you wash at 30, but every two months? That's just plain dirty!

Think about it - body temperature is 37.5 degrees. How do you expect all the bacteria caused by sweating, flaking skin cells and air pollution on your clothes to have been removed effectively at 30 degrees? If anything, you're creating a delightful, damp breeding ground in your washing machine. This isn't so much a problem for clothes worn for a few days, but for sheets and towels that get a lot of rough use, it's essential.

As for my washing habits, I tend to do the following:

White towels, dishcloths and tea towels - Cottons 95 in bio
Coloured towels and bedding - Cottons 60 in bio
Light colours (t-shirts, work shirts etc) - Minimum Iron 40 with colour detergent
Darks (jeans, t-shirts, underwear, socks, jumpers etc) - Cottons 40 with colour detergent
Delicates (work jumpers mostly) - Delicates 40 with Dreft
 
What a nice discussion

Well, here's part from me :)

I boilwash a lot. That is my daily cycle, not just for whitest whites, but for coloured (resistant) towels, and all other coloured stuff that need a good wash, and colour doesn't fade (coloured towels and underwear). White clothes still remaining white, and coloured coloured - looks strange, but it is.. you can see few boilwash vids on my Youtube channel, with a typical loads so you can get the image :)

why is boilwash my regular cycle? I (we) stain a lot, a lot of stains of food and ground, at least there is one item in the load with that, and I don't want to waste my money (and time) with 1.000.000 stain remoover procedures, so just boilwash, and that's it! It also keeps my machine dazzling clean! I tried over 30 times, 60 just don't remoove stain completely.. My old Candy's drum, after 13years of such use from the outside looked just a little different as on the inside! So, nothing bad for machine there!

Wondering about 8-9 loads per day? Are your daily loads looking like the one in the link? If yes, then it is obvious how are you managing it xD

 
.I didn't catch the stuff about the jeans previously....

Oh lord, do you wash your jeans monthly? I'm going to assume you have so many pairs of jeans you don't need to run a wash so often. The more I read the replies, the more glad I am for washing my clothes at 40/60 instead of cold, we need to remember that our clothes deserve a good wash at a good temperature, with me its 60+prewash for towels and whites (with a good soap powder), and 40 for everything else like coloured clothes (any liquid detergent), and 95 to give the machine a routine clean.

It's easy to blame Global Warming on laundry, but really the machines of today are getting more and more efficient (A++ is the new A+) they use much less water and electricity, so it is better all around to avoid the cold wash).
 
aquarius1984

Rob,

If only they was a like button on Automaticwasher.org i would have to press it quite a few times on your replies.
 
I can't be persuaded into using cold water again!

I might not have as much experience as some of you lot... but I can assure you that I've tried many ways of washing in the last few decades and I've always been actively seeking what could be the best solution for my laundry... being quite demanding over my wash results... so today I can say I feel strongly about washing at reasonably high temperatures (unless you use certain specific products... I found Ariel Excel Gel to to the job nicely but I felt it was far too expensive and not really worth it).

I'm sure some of the statements here are a little too genaral and don't take account of all the facts, e.g. high temperature is bad for the machine... well, of course if you run the hotest cycle on the longest programme on you machine all the time, it will demean its longevity (at least some of the component such as rubber bellows and drain pumps) compared to a machine which is permanentely used on low temperatures (and probably swarming with bacteria), however, why not trying and get the best of 2 worlds: a combination of a relatively high temperature (60/70 degrees and 50 for darks garments) on the shortest available cycle.

I don't want to be the one for dictating the best laundry practices with a front loader, I just want to share what I truly found to be the best solution after many years of trial & error, which offers great wash results with minimal wear and tear for both the machine and your laundry: that's right... you can even wash coloureds on higher temperatures than those commonly accepted and they would still retain pristine properties as long as the wash programme envisages a relatively short main wash.

I only use cold/cool water (15/30 degrees) for items which have not been worn... such as curtains or backpack/satchel, single items, very ligh soil or particularly small loads.

Bye now ;-)
 
Cold can mean so many things in my experience.

Rob

That is the crux of the matter with cold water washing - I lived in Australia for 5 years and rarely washed in anything other than 'cold' water but when the weather for so many months of the year is in excess of 30C and often hit 40C+ especially in Perth, 'cold' is not so 'cold' at all and that is why it is so successful. I used Cold Power detergent and I can assure everyone, except the Australians, who don't need convincing, my laundry was spotless, fresh and clean and I never suffered any skin conditions and never have. The same cannot be said in the UK for example because our 'cold' is too 'cold' and I guess that is why when Ariel talk about cold water washing they are actually talking about 15C. I did pursue this in the early 1990's and was told that below 10 degrees celcius 'bodily fluids' do not dissolve and that is why cold water washing is not really on the menu and also the detergents don't function. I am sure there are more scientific definitions - personally, if I was to move back to Australia tomorrow I would not hesitate to revert to cold water washing - it works, it saves money and it is kind to your clothes, regardless of what anyone who has never tried it says! Besides, if I was doing 8 or 9 loads a DAY, I would be doing cold water washing, even if I had to break the icicles off the clothes lol!
 
Washer with no hot water temp

for anyone that still think that a hot water temp is a must do take the time to look at this particular washer witch is a rebadge whirlpool sure its a top load but to everyone in the uk do try to answer this what would you do if one day or in the near future you found on the market a Front loading washer offering only 2 water rinse temp and i know that i myself use a washer like this one while on vaction with my whole family so do not say that i am wrong or anything or to keep my opinion to myself this is a fact and need to accept that this may happen in the near future.

link is for full discription of the washer


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Pierre....

 

...certainly, it MAY happen. But what we tend to forget is that different countries approach the achievement of energy and/or water efficiency goals in different ways.

 

This is being very general, and please correct me if I am wide of the mark, but:

 

<ul>
<li>in the USA, government has mandated the changes and effectively forced, through a combination of incentives (I nearly put 'industrial bribes' there) to manufacturers to build efficient machines. Some local authorities offer the consumer incentives when you buy efficient appliances. Basically, government is effectively forcing the American people to buy a particular way by encouraging manufacturers to only offer efficient machines in order to get their incentives. </li>
<li>in the UK and Europe, the public appear to have a grasp of efficiency. Electricity and gas are not 'cheap' compared to the USA. Having lived in the UK for 3 years, I don't remember any incentive scheme that financially encouraged people to buy efficient appliances - most washers already were given 95% or more that are sold in the UK are front load with internal heaters. Costs are going down as water usage goes down - it costs less to heat 15 litres than 30 litres....simple maths</li>
<li>in Australia, a different tact was taken again. We left manufacturers to do their own thing and provided an incentive direct to the consumer to buy a water efficient appliance (or replace an inefficient toilet - mine were done for free!). Consumers purchasing habits have changed what is available in conjunction with well publicised water shortages. The majority of Australians already wash in 'tap cold' water.</li>
</ul>
So the deal is this:

 

<ul>
<li>Europe already use high efficiency machines and have done for years. They are getting more and more efficient with lower temperature detergents being made available to encourage a switch from 60c to 30-40c or lower.</li>
<li>Australians are moving from a culture of top load users to front load/high efficiency top load users. 20 years ago, 10% of machines sold were Front Load. Today, it is more than 50% front load. The majority already wash in cold water and our detergents are formulated for use in cold water as a result.</li>
</ul>
Basically Pierre, where I'm going is that governments in Europe and Australia don't need to force change on manufacturers, and therefore the population - the population is forcing that change of their own accord. We want access to high efficiency machines that offer cold water options and local governments (in Australia) are providing the incentives direct to the consumer to change.

 

So your scenario, whilst relevant in the USA, is unlikely to be the case elsewhere.
 
i understand this and evryone has diffrent methode when it comes to washing and by the way i am canadian and if you look at the pic of my washer on the left Post# 541398, Reply# 40 its the kind of model that has no water heater in it and in my home i am the one doing all the washing and i can say that when it brakes i will be going back to a toploading washer as i do not like the washer i have because what i hate on the washer i have is the long wash time for me a 10 minute wash is more than engough and i am not coming back in that thread at all so this is my final point.
 
Pierre...

I know that you're Canadian, and I wasn't being rude by appearing to ignore that....I simply don't know what the Canadian government has done to mandate appliance efficiency (is it the same as the US or more similar to Europe or Australia or something different?), whereas many Americans on here have been forthcoming telling readers the scenario I mention above.

 

The other key thing I did consider is that, because Canada is a neighbour of the USA and has a free trade agreement with the USA, it is possible that any American made or American specification washers are not altered when they are sent north - that would make sense from a marketing (ecologically sound) and financial basis (why have multiple circuit boards for a similar market - send them ours!).

 

It might interest you to know that I had written the post as 'North American', but then changed it because I have no idea about what Canada does as I mentioned above.

 

Now, on another point you make about your current front loader not having a heater and your preference for a top loader. 

 

Our markets are different. Australians' still have a lot of choice compared to North Americans when it comes to the efficiency of their machines. 'Water Hog' machines, once the domain of almost every laundry in the country are, generally, out of favour with the population - but every 'High Efficiency' Top loader on the market here can be made to work as a 'water hog' if we want it to. Just press the relevant button and away it'll go. The same goes for temperature. You want tank hot water....no problem, but then most Australians already wash in cold, so it's a moot point.

 

As for Front Loaders, here we tend to follow Europe rather than America. Firstly, most front load machines here are 60cm wide which works well with fitted laundrys given the standards are 30,45,60cm ...when it comes to cupboard door width - the same as Europe. Secondly, with the possible exception of Speed Queen machines, every domestic front load machine sold in this country since about 1998 has had a heater in it - the majority being cold water connect only.

 

So whilst your comments are very relevant for you and possibly North America in general, they are not neccessarily accurate for the rest of the world.....Neither Europeans or Australians have needed a big stick waved at them by government, via the manufacturers, to buy energy or water efficient machines. We've been presented with choices and, on occassion, the consumer has been provided a financial incentive to sweeten the change to efficient machines...but ultimately, the consumer chose, not the government.

 

Anyway, you go knock yourself out and buy whatever rings your bell next time - just like all of us should. But I would appreciate it if you don't go off 'half-c***ed' when someone dares to try and provide you with different scenarios or show you why you may be wrong.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

 
 
My Jeans

I have alot of Jeans, and they dont need washing alot, so thats why i wash them every few months,

1) 30*c cleans a majority of my clothes fine, without any odours

2) alot of my clothes are worn once or twice without any visable stains

3) alot of my clothes are dark, so a hotter wash will fade them

4) im keeping my electric bill down and my clothes are clean

5) Its my way and i dont expect anyone to like how i do my laundry, but it works for me and i have no mould in my washing machine as i keep the door ajar after every wash, so it dries out and I use Biological Tablets with oxygen bleach

6) i do use 60*c to clean my towels/teatowels and occasionally do my bedding at 60*c

My housemate does all his washing at 60*c and he washes white towels and darks together, it annoys me because 60*c all the time just wastes electricity and when you live in a shared house, you have to pay more in electric for someone else.
 
@ zanussi_lover

Hi there... just a quick remark: you said that you flat mate does all their washing at 60 degrees... I guess in the same washing machine :-)

Bacteria take time and several washes to build up... if you alternate hot washes and cold washes your machine would always be impeccably clean and free of odours. The trouble comes when you use a modern front loader on cold (15 degrees) month after month and never do a single warm/hot wash.

Some time ago it was the norm for me to do cold washes as well as hot washes in an alternate fashion and never had any problems... but at some point I decided to switch to cold at once (since my electricity firm had put their prices up) and I was submitting my daily driver to a cold wash after another cold wash for months on end until I realised that my wash wasn't as fresh as it used to be... especially if left in the wardrobe for several weeks... so... that's when I realised that people's claim about smelly laundry is not totally unfounded. My laundry never got to the stenchy stage though... good grief :-O
 
Lots of interesting thoughts put accross here,

First of all I would say that washing at the highest temperatures does not cause damage to the machine; heat causes metal to expand, this is why some of the noises your machine makes are different during or just after a boil wash. Once the machine has cooled down they should return to normal.

Since we have retired our modern Zanussi and put our Hotpoint 9530 into everyday use, we have been washing all our whites on prog.1 (85c). I have noticed my whites are far cleaner, whiter and fresher having been washed on this programme than they were when washed at 60c in this and other machines. It also negates the need to add stain remover (which I did previously at 60c), a heavy soil dose of Persil bio powder alone does the trick! I wear a lot of white and I cook a lot of ‘red’ foods (Bolognaise, Chilli con carne etc.). Anyone who has tried to get dried on tomato puree out of a white top I’m sure will know how difficult a stain it is to remove without pre-treating or adding stain removers (some severe stains I have had to boil wash twice to remove completely!). As for damage to clothing by high temperatures, I have noticed no more damage or shrinkage than I did before, but as with washing at any temperature I always pull t-shirts and such back into shape when wet.

Despite the increased water and energy consumption of the Hotpoint, and despite washing more often at 85c when before we only washed at 60c, our gas bills have gone up ever so slightly (being a hot and cold fill machine) but our electricity bill has gone down more, so we have actually found it cheaper to run this machine than the modern Zanussi! We are on a water meter, but there has been no difference in the water bills. There is nothing else which has changed which could have affected our bills, just the washer.

I wash light colours and white synthetics (e.g. the shower curtain and our polycotton bed linen) at 60c to prevent excess creasing, and dark and bright colours, as well as the few delicate items we have at 40c. I have experimented in the past with going lower than 40c on occasions, but it has never worked for me!
I do believe I am quite energy efficient. I only wash full loads and I never wash things at higher temperatures or with more detergent than is required (it just so happens that I have found my whites require a boil wash with a heavy soil dose of high quality detergent!). I line dry whenever possible; we live in a small one bedroom flat with very little space to hang washing indoors. In bad weather I put washing on an airer in the bedroom and over airers on the radiators, but due to the size of the flat air does not circulate very well and it is prone to damp, so washing doesn’t really dry very well. If after a day or so of being indoors some of the washing is still wet and the weather has not cleared up in that time, I have no choice but to finish off things which can be tumble dried in the dryer.

As for the question of what I would do if I had to use a machine which couldn’t boil wash, well I can only hope that will never happen. If it did then I would still make sure I were washing in the hottest water possible and would probably have to use chlorine bleach to obtain the results I want.

Matt
 

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