If you want to have a browse through the typical detergents available here - This is a link to the detergents section at SuperValu Ireland (nothing to do with the US store of a similar name).
Bold laundry detergent?!!
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gorenje
I mentioned Italy, but I forgot about France and Benelux.
Dalli Werke's private label products are great for their price. However, their own brands are far away from perfection. Their Dalli powders are mediocre. I guess this will be the case with Dalli's Dash and Bonux.
We have to wait before we try their production. We have plenty of P&G Bonux here. They try so hard to get rid of it. They sell it for 1.50 euro/20 washes but no one buys it.
I mentioned Italy, but I forgot about France and Benelux.
Dalli Werke's private label products are great for their price. However, their own brands are far away from perfection. Their Dalli powders are mediocre. I guess this will be the case with Dalli's Dash and Bonux.
We have to wait before we try their production. We have plenty of P&G Bonux here. They try so hard to get rid of it. They sell it for 1.50 euro/20 washes but no one buys it.
P&G`s Dash (same as UK Daz ?) sold in Germany has been a BOL detergent for a long time that doesn`t clean anything. The brand is apparently only still alive because it once had a good reputation in the past and because it still has a pleasant smell. High quality scent oils are expensive and that seems to be the part where store brand manufacturers save expenses.
Looks like most consumers (and consumer magazines) figured out that store brands made by McBride and in particular Dalli otherwise outperform the multinational`s second tier rubbish.
It`s not a new thing that well known brands get sold if they don`t generate enough profit anymore.
Unilever`s laundry branch in the USA, Colgate`s in Australia, in Germany we already have Rei (UK Dreft ?) and Sanso both former P&G brands as well as Unilever`s Sunil and Kuschelweich (UK Comfort ?) gone to Fit GmbH.
The products I think have all been reformulated and very little to do with the "originals" except for big box (unconcentrated) Sunil powders which are still manufactured under licence of Unilever according to Wikipedia.
Will be interesting to see what Dalli is making out of Dash in the future. I could imagine they make it a decent performing detergent again but will probably ruin the scent. I also never understood why they use inferior formulars for their own Dalli branded line compared to the remarkable high quality of Dalli made store brands. But then Germans and maybe other Europeans as well seem to have higher expectations in Aldi or Lidl products than in small insignificant national brands.
Looks like most consumers (and consumer magazines) figured out that store brands made by McBride and in particular Dalli otherwise outperform the multinational`s second tier rubbish.
It`s not a new thing that well known brands get sold if they don`t generate enough profit anymore.
Unilever`s laundry branch in the USA, Colgate`s in Australia, in Germany we already have Rei (UK Dreft ?) and Sanso both former P&G brands as well as Unilever`s Sunil and Kuschelweich (UK Comfort ?) gone to Fit GmbH.
The products I think have all been reformulated and very little to do with the "originals" except for big box (unconcentrated) Sunil powders which are still manufactured under licence of Unilever according to Wikipedia.
Will be interesting to see what Dalli is making out of Dash in the future. I could imagine they make it a decent performing detergent again but will probably ruin the scent. I also never understood why they use inferior formulars for their own Dalli branded line compared to the remarkable high quality of Dalli made store brands. But then Germans and maybe other Europeans as well seem to have higher expectations in Aldi or Lidl products than in small insignificant national brands.
rolls_rapide
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@mrboilwash
"I also never understood why they use inferior formulas for their own Dalli branded line compared to the remarkable high quality of Dalli made store brands."
It's funny you should say that, as I was recently looking at Dalli's own 'product info' pages. I was struck by how basic their own detergents were (two enzymes), compared to the likes of Lidl's with six enzymes.
Maybe by offering their own basic (poor) detergents is a strategy to keep Lidl 'on side', and not upset them.
"I also never understood why they use inferior formulas for their own Dalli branded line compared to the remarkable high quality of Dalli made store brands."
It's funny you should say that, as I was recently looking at Dalli's own 'product info' pages. I was struck by how basic their own detergents were (two enzymes), compared to the likes of Lidl's with six enzymes.
Maybe by offering their own basic (poor) detergents is a strategy to keep Lidl 'on side', and not upset them.
rolls_rapide
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@gorenje:
Maybe there is a 'transition period' where Blue Sun manufacturers 'Ariel' for P&G, under the label 'Ariel - introducing A+'
Possibly, Blue Sun are allowed to use the Ariel name for a short period of time, after which it will be known as 'A+', with P&G retaining the 'Ariel' name.
Perhaps P&G's profits have taken a sharp dip in some countries, and they just want to offload some dead weight.
Look at this (from Blue Sun):
"ARIEL* INTRODUCING A+
A brand that guarantees innovation and maximum effectiveness in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland and Portugal.
*Brand is temporarily licensed by Procter&Gamble in Portugal, Sweden, Denmark, Norway & Finland."
Maybe there is a 'transition period' where Blue Sun manufacturers 'Ariel' for P&G, under the label 'Ariel - introducing A+'
Possibly, Blue Sun are allowed to use the Ariel name for a short period of time, after which it will be known as 'A+', with P&G retaining the 'Ariel' name.
Perhaps P&G's profits have taken a sharp dip in some countries, and they just want to offload some dead weight.
Look at this (from Blue Sun):
"ARIEL* INTRODUCING A+
A brand that guarantees innovation and maximum effectiveness in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland and Portugal.
*Brand is temporarily licensed by Procter&Gamble in Portugal, Sweden, Denmark, Norway & Finland."
steve_b79
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Interesting that you'd mention Aldi/Lidl store brands...
...because here in the US, we have both Aldi and Lidl (the latter having just come over in mid '17). Aldi's detergent products are produced by Huish/Sun products (garbage). Lidl, I believe, sources theirs from Henkel. From what I understand, the products sold outside of the USA (Formil, Almat) are superior in every way, from cleaning performance to fragrance. With that said, here's a stupid question...do either of these products ever pop up on eBay - or another website that does international shipping? Amazon UK has some stuff I'd love to try, but they will not ship to the US.
...because here in the US, we have both Aldi and Lidl (the latter having just come over in mid '17). Aldi's detergent products are produced by Huish/Sun products (garbage). Lidl, I believe, sources theirs from Henkel. From what I understand, the products sold outside of the USA (Formil, Almat) are superior in every way, from cleaning performance to fragrance. With that said, here's a stupid question...do either of these products ever pop up on eBay - or another website that does international shipping? Amazon UK has some stuff I'd love to try, but they will not ship to the US.
rolls_rapide
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I've never seen any of Lidl's stuff on Ebay.
As an aside, I was in Poundstretcher earlier today and bought 'Vim Cream Cleaner' - made by Henkel.
'Vim' has gone from Unilever, to Guaber, to Henkel now, it seems, in some markets.
Probably similar to the carve-up of Henkel Persil vs Unilever Persil.
It seems to be destined for the UK market. Address is for Redhill (Surrey?). Irish address is 'Punch Industries Ltd, Dublin'.
13 digit barcode starts: 800...
As an aside, I was in Poundstretcher earlier today and bought 'Vim Cream Cleaner' - made by Henkel.
'Vim' has gone from Unilever, to Guaber, to Henkel now, it seems, in some markets.
Probably similar to the carve-up of Henkel Persil vs Unilever Persil.
It seems to be destined for the UK market. Address is for Redhill (Surrey?). Irish address is 'Punch Industries Ltd, Dublin'.
13 digit barcode starts: 800...
rolls_rapide
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Guaber
Main link below, gives a brief indication of the history.
And the EAN 13 digit barcode for 'Vim', starting '800', seems to indicate Italy as the country of origin.
Meanwhile, whilst perusing Tesco's shelves last evening, I came across a new bottle of 'Finish Gel' for the dishwasher. They've shrunk the size from a 1 litre old-style yellow bottle, to a smaller size, shown below. The internet says it is a 650 ml size, but Tesco is selling a 700 ml version. Still no bleach in the formulation.
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/299160104
Main link below, gives a brief indication of the history.
And the EAN 13 digit barcode for 'Vim', starting '800', seems to indicate Italy as the country of origin.
Meanwhile, whilst perusing Tesco's shelves last evening, I came across a new bottle of 'Finish Gel' for the dishwasher. They've shrunk the size from a 1 litre old-style yellow bottle, to a smaller size, shown below. The internet says it is a 650 ml size, but Tesco is selling a 700 ml version. Still no bleach in the formulation.
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/299160104
rolls_rapide
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@gorenje:
When in Tesco last night, I had a look at 'Ace' bleach. Absolutely no mention of P&G. The ingredients list had a brief mention of 'Fater'.
@nickuk:
I spied the 'Fairy Stain Remover' too. It seems odd that P&G would licence such a product to a separate company. Perhaps they're using a third party just to test the market, thus saving on expensive production restructuring costs. Though you would think that, in the first place, a decent powder wouldn't need such booster additives.
When in Tesco last night, I had a look at 'Ace' bleach. Absolutely no mention of P&G. The ingredients list had a brief mention of 'Fater'.
@nickuk:
I spied the 'Fairy Stain Remover' too. It seems odd that P&G would licence such a product to a separate company. Perhaps they're using a third party just to test the market, thus saving on expensive production restructuring costs. Though you would think that, in the first place, a decent powder wouldn't need such booster additives.
Ariel...
Is one of P&Gs billion dollar brands (of which they only have 20). The would never give that name to someone else.
P&G also likes to tout that it's the worlds number 1 selling detergent (don’t know if true), but in nearly every market Ariel appears appears (save USA) it is a top line product (and you can tell).
Don’t know if it is the same with the liquids and powders, but UK Daz pods are Tide (or Vizir) elsewhere in Europe.
But Daz has just been refomulated (along with every other PG U.K. detergent it would seem) and is now called Daz 3in1 so don’t know if this is the case anymore.
Is one of P&Gs billion dollar brands (of which they only have 20). The would never give that name to someone else.
P&G also likes to tout that it's the worlds number 1 selling detergent (don’t know if true), but in nearly every market Ariel appears appears (save USA) it is a top line product (and you can tell).
Don’t know if it is the same with the liquids and powders, but UK Daz pods are Tide (or Vizir) elsewhere in Europe.
But Daz has just been refomulated (along with every other PG U.K. detergent it would seem) and is now called Daz 3in1 so don’t know if this is the case anymore.
@Rolls-rapid:
Punch Industries is Henkel Ireland. They were bought by the Spotless Group in France largely to get their "colour catcher" products and shortly afterwards Spotless was acquired by Henkel.
http://www.punchindustries.com/
https://www.henkel.com/spotlight/2014-06-05-acquisition-spotless-group/33854
Some of their products like their ceramic hob cleaner was replaced with a Henkel one under the old branding but its a totally different bottle and product.
Punch Industries is Henkel Ireland. They were bought by the Spotless Group in France largely to get their "colour catcher" products and shortly afterwards Spotless was acquired by Henkel.
http://www.punchindustries.com/
https://www.henkel.com/spotlight/2014-06-05-acquisition-spotless-group/33854
Some of their products like their ceramic hob cleaner was replaced with a Henkel one under the old branding but its a totally different bottle and product.
steve_b79
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@ liamy
I’m thinking that P&G’s pods are pretty much all the same, save for the fragrance. I love the scent of Ariel pods; Tide, not as much. I’m curious as to the fragrance of Daz. The powder has a great scent...
I’m thinking that P&G’s pods are pretty much all the same, save for the fragrance. I love the scent of Ariel pods; Tide, not as much. I’m curious as to the fragrance of Daz. The powder has a great scent...
@steveb
Yes I think they are all the same, save for the scent.
From what I remember the Daz pods have a nice scent, it’s not a floral, just a “detergent” type smell.
I’ve always found the Daz pods smell similar to the Fairy ones (even though Fairy powder/liquids dont smell like Daz powder/liquids) but it’s the same with Ariel pods, they don’t smell like the Ariel powder/liquids.
I think P&G pick separate scents for pods and just happened to pick a similar one for Daz and Fairy. But I have not tried the reformulated ones so don’t know the scent.
Yes I think they are all the same, save for the scent.
From what I remember the Daz pods have a nice scent, it’s not a floral, just a “detergent” type smell.
I’ve always found the Daz pods smell similar to the Fairy ones (even though Fairy powder/liquids dont smell like Daz powder/liquids) but it’s the same with Ariel pods, they don’t smell like the Ariel powder/liquids.
I think P&G pick separate scents for pods and just happened to pick a similar one for Daz and Fairy. But I have not tried the reformulated ones so don’t know the scent.
steve_b79
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@ liamy1
That would be awesome!! Thank you!!! I know that Daz liquid is up there, among a few others, but I'd have to limit it...haha.
That would be awesome!! Thank you!!! I know that Daz liquid is up there, among a few others, but I'd have to limit it...haha.
Haha
I know the feeling. I’m terrible for buying it (even got 2 today :/).
Whenever you want/ready , just let me know (either here or email, click my name and should show address) and I can get you a price for the product and shipping.
I can go to a many number of stores to get the lowest price for the product, but if you want to look at what we have (if you haven’t already) best place to look is our major supermarkets websites, either Sainsbury’s, Tesco, ASDA or Morrison’s.
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/shop/gb/groceries/household?fromMegaNav=1
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/shop/household/all
https://groceries.asda.com/dept/laundry-household/laundry/_/111846
https://groceries.morrisons.com/webshop/startWebshop.do
I know the feeling. I’m terrible for buying it (even got 2 today :/).
Whenever you want/ready , just let me know (either here or email, click my name and should show address) and I can get you a price for the product and shipping.
I can go to a many number of stores to get the lowest price for the product, but if you want to look at what we have (if you haven’t already) best place to look is our major supermarkets websites, either Sainsbury’s, Tesco, ASDA or Morrison’s.
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/shop/gb/groceries/household?fromMegaNav=1
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/shop/household/all
https://groceries.asda.com/dept/laundry-household/laundry/_/111846
https://groceries.morrisons.com/webshop/startWebshop.do
steve_b79
Active member
@ liamy1
I almost feel strange for admitting this, but I have not purchased a "US-Made" detergent, since I stumbled across Ariel Power Liquid over a year ago in a Hispanic supermarket. I've been hooked on the imported stuff since then, either purchasing that, ordering what I could from Amazon (there isn't much, I must say...us US folk are blocked from ordering from the UK site, and what IS available from the UK on the US site, has been marked up ten times over), or visiting some "junk" stores, where I managed to score Mexican Persil (WAY different than the US stuff), and Indian Ariel powder (some of the best smelling stuff on this planet).
I've noticed that there's something in the UK called "Persil Power Gems"? Or something to that effect? The container looks tiny, the grains look like fish food, and I'm curious about them. Are they any good?
I almost feel strange for admitting this, but I have not purchased a "US-Made" detergent, since I stumbled across Ariel Power Liquid over a year ago in a Hispanic supermarket. I've been hooked on the imported stuff since then, either purchasing that, ordering what I could from Amazon (there isn't much, I must say...us US folk are blocked from ordering from the UK site, and what IS available from the UK on the US site, has been marked up ten times over), or visiting some "junk" stores, where I managed to score Mexican Persil (WAY different than the US stuff), and Indian Ariel powder (some of the best smelling stuff on this planet).
I've noticed that there's something in the UK called "Persil Power Gems"? Or something to that effect? The container looks tiny, the grains look like fish food, and I'm curious about them. Are they any good?
