Bosch Classix Vario-Perfect 6

[liberatordeluxe]

I have a Bosch Classix Vario-Perfect washer and although the drain pump drains the water away it leaves the suds behind in the drain sump which you can see if you shine a torch through the inner drum. I never over dose the detergent so could there be a problem with the pump?

 

[aquarius1984]

Im very sure there is not an issue.

Foam and bubbles can appear on any water where there is any remnant of surfactant (IIRC) present. Couple that with the liquiding action of the pump no wonder there is a few bubbles.

You seem to very worried about rinsing issues yet none of what you have said in your many posts is anything to worry about. Foam sometimes is present at the end of the wash for said reasons and sometimes the water is not always as it comes from the tap.

Unless you get skin rashes and irritations (not pshycological ones from thinking about it too much) you are going to be just fine.

As long as your dosing for your water hardness and soil then there is no reason why you should suffer any ill effects powder or liquid.

 

[liberatordeluxe]

I have an artificial water softner so i put about 12 ml now for normal soil but i find the last rinse water is very frothy. This is not water bubbles this is soap not being rinsed! I never had these issues before all this 'eco-friendly' clap trap started and i am not the only one who has had issues with modern washers not doing there job properly.

 

[aquarius1984]

Well I doubt there is much we can suggest as you seem to already know the answer in getting a machine that uses gallons of water. Failing that just remove the water softener.

Up to you but it seems thats the only advice we can give you.

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

There is nothing wrong with your washer, and what I can make out, is those are fabric softener suds. They are completely normal, and will not damage you or your clothing.

You need to dose correctly - 12ml is not enough. most detergent should be dosed around 50ml, or small & mighty Persil - 30ml.

Just because you cant see the water in the rinse, doesn't mean its not rinsing properly - in fact Bosch's save water, and ensure rinsing is perfect by spinning for much longer periods between rinses, which could explain the soap issue, its actually extracting suds properly.

There is nothing wrong with the pump, though check the front filter for any lint or buttons that could of gone in.

 

[superelectronic]

Artificial water softeners

Have you checked your instruction book for any mention of artificial water softeners? I know for many years it was in the back of Bosch brochures (and quite possibly their instructions) that connection to mechanically softened water was NOT recommended. I'm not quite sure why, although it could be that the water is so soft it causes precisely the problem you have - oversudsing of detergents.

The least sudsing detergent I've used recently is Surcare liquid, although if you're going to use that you may find your laundry pre-treatment regime has to be stepped up a notch or two!

I had a very high water usage machine until fairly recently and I can assure you that almost all detergents still caused froth right into the final rinse, even in hard London water. It's just the way detergents are these days (and have been for some years now). Unless your clothes are feeling sticky/slimey or you're skin's being irritated by laundered fabrics, you probably don't need to worry too much.

 

[liberatordeluxe]

Thanks for all the replies although i don't agree regarding Bosch's being good at rinsing, sorry but they are not and you need plenty of water to rinse in like the old Hotpoints for example. I will look at gettng an older machine. Regarding my water softner it causes no problems with my dishwasher so its staying put. @ Superelectronic i agree with you regarding modern detergents foaming too much. Older formulations of Persil liquid made little to no suds from what i can remember and that was back in 1997 (ages ago).

 

[superelectronic]

Persil liquid in 1997 (my laundry at volume heyday) was still the phosphated version as I recall - concentrated by that point; a thick white liquid. It didn't foam as much but it was still a horror to rinse out properly - the full dose needed 4 super rinses in the Hotpoint WM12 (which I'm still using in an odd twist of fate). A lot of people on here rave about phosphates but I always found it took a lot of rinsing to get rid of that slippery feel and the clothes felt harsh. Today's offerings might foam to excess but I don't find them to require the same level of rinsing to produce clothes that aren't sticky or stiff as a board.

I'm not sure the standard of rinsing 20 or so years ago was really that much better...my abiding memory of a lot of people's clothes was that they were stiff and scratchy, faded quickly (things like PE kit) and still smelled quite strongly of powder. Of course, that might have been more the fault of 1980s detergents.

If you're looking for good rinsing on an older machine, best seek out an AEG from at least 15 years ago or possibly the older Philips/Whirpool machines. They were the best according to testing; an old Hotpoint will be rather apt to whipping up a lot of suds during the rinse and interim spins that don't get pumped away properly due to shortcomings in the programming.

What about running the separate rinse on the Bosch after the standard cycle? That's a good deep rinse cycle like they had on older machines. Perhaps you've tried that already...

 

[liberatordeluxe]

F.A.O Superelectronic I do find the rinse/spin on my Bosch does help. I am considering sticking to Miele or Amway SA8 they rinse out much easier than the store brands only trouble is i cannot always get it as it sells out quickly. I found Method and Simply good too but again not easy to get hold of stock.

Regarding machines i used to have an Hoover Electron and even a full dose of Persil or Ariel was gone and could not sense the powder after it was rinsed. Then in 1993 i replaced the Electron with an Indesit and that had excellent rinsing.

So you personally don't think the 95 series Hotpoint were much good at rinsing?

 

[superelectronic]

Tricky to say...

...from my personal experience the Hotpoint 95 series were good enough at rinsing; some people here have remarked that they weren't the best, however. Obviously you'd get more of a volume of water passing through the load compared to your Bosch so in that respect they might be better...but the tumbling is vigorous, and this is followed by fast distribution and a couple of short spins where the extracted susdy water barely has time to be pumped away before fill begins again. All that action makes for a potentially less effective rinse than other more carefully programmed machines.

I can't comment with any real authority of how well rinsed clothes actually were in times gone by. I do remember other people having very scratchy towels, for example. I've used a Hoover Electron once and that didn't astound me with its rinsing abilities even after guzzling a ridiculous amount of water only to do very little indeed with it! If only we could do a real test with old machines and equally old detergents to see if things really were that much better! The machines are still out there; how on earth one procures a usable box of 1980s Persil Automatic, however, is anyone's guess.

Anyway, good luck with the non-mainstream detergents. I'm surprised you've found Method and Simply difficult to buy - they're pretty well represented these days (well, down at my Sainsbury's anyway...depends where you shop I suppose).

 

[hoovermatic]

What the eye doesn't see................

...............I have just changed from an h-axis machine to a front loader after 13 years. Naturally, I am constantly watching the action through the door having not had that luxury for so many years and I am dosing detergent and softener exactly as I used to in my old top loader. I have been thinking that there are a few suds left in the final rinse and thought I should run an extra rinse etc. Then I thought, what the hell, it hasn't bothered me for the last 13 years because I haven't had the ability to see the state of the final rinse water and in 13 years, I have never had a problem with skin irritation so I just ignore it.

That's my advice - ignore it!

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

Water wasting rinse

The best way to rinse clothes is to use long interim spins, like Bosch machines do, they spin a lot more soap residue out, meaning rinsing with low water level is possible, therefore saving you water, and getting equivalent results, or in fact slightly better than rinsing in deep water with no interim spin.
I find that deep rinsing is just a waste with short interim spins, and actually doubles the amount of suds as there's more splash of the clothes- hence I don't always use super rinse on my Hotpoint.