Bosch Nexxt 700?

[washingpowder]

It's time to uprgate from my Electrolux EIFLS60, and it seems like very few machines fit my needs speaking of options and design.
The Electrolux is a brilliant washer, but it has a couple of flaws that make it somewhat complicated to use.

Example, warm water setting doesn't mix hot and cold before entering the drum-the machine fills with hot and then adds enough cold to make it warm. Meaning more delicate or dark clothing tumbles in hot, concentrated solution for the first 2 minutes.

Delicate cycle isn't all that delicate, wouldn't trust it with silk or woolens.

There's no way to only 'boost' the temperature with the heater - you either have a true profile wash or choose Sanitize.

It's rather finicky about spinning, and can take forever to balance a load.

This is where Bosch Nexxt seems to shine.
It has 3 delicate settings, including Hand Wash. It mixes warm water rather than alternate. It has the ability to 'boost' the temperature, and it seems to be a very well designed product.

Has anyone used those? There's limited information available why Bosch decided to ditch their full size models like Nexxt.

 

[henene4]

You mean a used Next, right? They had several buggs if I remeber correctly. But never looked much into them.

You could look into the new E-Lux lineup. Their mixing technology should avoid the hot-fill issue, and you could ask that new guy on YT to check the delicates cycle.

 

[rolls_rapide]

Woollens & Silk

Looking at pictures of your Electrolux EIFLS60, and 'henene4's' link...

Do American machines not have any cycles for "Woollens / Silk / Handwash"?

European ones do, and the "Wool" programme is even gentler than "Delicates".

 

[washingpowder]

Henene, the Delicate is the same deal; was really excited about Elux rolling out the new machines but not much has really been changed.

Rolls, until FL became popular in the '90s, only premium top loaders offered anything more than Perm Press, Normal, Heavy Duty and 'Delicate'. I guess taking special care items to the cleaners was more of a thing.
Then Neptunes, Calypsos, Duets etc came and they featured fancy delicate cycles but slowly they were replaced by redundant nonsense that 'attracts': my Elux has Pet Beds, Stuffed Animals, Active Wear, etc etc but only one and pretty harsh Delicate. When washing sweater and such one would have to stop the machine and reset to drain, fill, rinse and spin manually, to avoid the cycle going through and damaging items. I'd live with it but the thing started to malfunction (beeping for no reason, not running the motor-unplugging would help but for how long?)

On my way to pick up a Nexxt 700 hoping it's in good condition. Saw videos of violent shaking but shocks for those are ridiculously cheap to replace.

 

[henene4]

Keep us posted, as far as I understand they had a simmilar life cycle as the Mieles had and are thus somewhat rare-ish.

 

[washingpowder]

It's in, installed and humming a load of blankets. Perm press cycle, hot. (True hot on a Perm Press...!) Display said 'heating'!
Guess it takes temperature accuracy very seriously.

Very gently used, not a scratch! And Lord, it's whisper quiet. It's so funny now, since Elux boasted 'second floor guarantee' promising to run smooth anywhere - this Bosch warns about flooring and suggests only concrete is appropriate - while the spin is so quiet I wasn't aware it spun.

Looks slightly smaller, especially due to huge Archie paddles, but that can be a good thing. The Elux had issues turning over a small or buoyant load.

I'm happy. About to run a load of hand-washables.

Now, to sell the Elux..

 

[cuffs054]

How funny! Your Electro sounds just like my new Maytag TL. Same issues. Today I went and looked at the last of the SQ TL with mechanical timer and the new GE bol. I've put an ad in local paper for the Tags, can't wait to get something that fills up and maybe washes in hotter water.

 

[washingpowder]

Well, how about a used Nexxt from Bosch then? *LOL*

 

[rp2813]

We considered a Nexxt set when we bought our last pair.  We went with Frigidaire/E-lux Affinities, but if I had it to over again, I'd get the Nexxt.  The Affinity doesn't pre-mix and will usually do the entire fill with plain "auto temp" cold water when set for warm, and I absolutely hate it for that.  Hate-it!

 

Keep posting your impressions!

 

[combo52]

Bosch Nexxt Washers & dryers

The washers were pretty good, the dryers were among the worst performing dryers I ever saw based on feed back from 1/2 dozen customers that had them. I saw three of these Bosch washers on the trash pile two weeks ago, and none of them looked like they faired well.

 

Bosch discontinued full sized machines quite a few years ago, good luck getting parts or service for them now or in the near future, I would keep the FD as a backup.

 

[launderess]

IIRC there was something about Nexxt washers and premature bearing failure. Am not sure how widespread the issue was however.

Bosch also was dragged into court in a class action regarding "defective" designed washers due to mold and "foul odors". Again think the larger machines were part of this and BSH simply settled (eventually) while not admitting their product had any issues.

BSH never gave an official reason as to why the 27" washers and dryers were discontinued. Some point to early models having top mounted controls which prevented stacking causing low sales. Others blame competition from Asian manufacturers making it difficult for Bosch to sell units at a price they could make money on.

However one thing both Bosch and Miele had in common with their "uber" sized units; both are European manufacturers that designed and produced these large machines primarily for one market, North America. As such that is putting a lot of faith in terms of sales into one basket.

IIRC Bosch and or Miele may have sold their large 27" units in some European markets, but don't think the things caught on.

http://applianceadvisor.com/bosch-exit-full-size-laundry-new-news9000/1070

 

[launderess]

Manual

Pipe: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/19318/Bosch-Wfmc6401uc.html?page=17#manual

 

[logixx]

I've never seen the larger Miele laundry appliances outside of North America. Bosch did sell both the Logixx 10 (ten kilo capacity) washer and dryer in parts of Europe. The washer, I think, kept its weak American heater and became cold-fill only, while the dryer was limited to 3500 watts. Neither caught on - the dryer probably even less than the washer. Every washer that was wider then 24 inches suffered the same faith eventually. :-(

 

[henene4]

I think the Bosch had a standard 2kW heater (adapted for the 230V market), but as you with your Duet clone might know, Alex, that can make some longer heating times anyways.

The dryers were vented, and thus had a smaller market per se here in Germany.

I have read about bearing and even drum failures on those. Clothes being shredded, etc.

In Europe, after the first Bauknecht Big (early generation Duet clone) was launched, the Bosch came with 2 different versions of their uber size machine (first 9 then 10 kg), then 2 generations of Duet clones again, and now we have a LG 15kg 27" machine. With a puny 2kW heater and cold fill only.

Only the Bosch ever had a matching size dryer. What I would give for a 27" condenser&#92HP dryer!

 

[super32]

Currently

We currently have a 10+ yr old original Platinum edition Nexxt. The platinum was basically the top of the line in a silver color. Its been running and has never missed a beat. The machine you have is a few years newer. Also from the looks of your controls, it looks like yours is pretty much the same as ours but a different color.
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[launderess]

Yes, think you are correct

Only Bosch tried to sell their uber sized washers and dryers in Europe. Miele didn't, and they still paid a heavy price. All that R&D went into those large washers and dryers, only to have Miele pull the plug after a few years.

Was actually looking forward to the Nexxt washers when first models were launched. But those machines did not have a separate "Rinse" or "Spin" cycles which for us was a deal breaker.

Whirlpool unlike Maytag did well with its first "jumbo" front loader because they did their homework. Having Bauknecht under the Whirlpool corporate wings gave them access to a wealth of information on how to build quality H-axis washing machines. Well at least those that didn't suffer the problems Maytag had with early Neptune washers.

IIRC early Duet large washers and dryers were built in Germany at Bauknecht factories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauknecht_(company)

 

[combo52]

We found a pair of the 27" Miele washer and gas dryer on the optional pedestals even about a year ago. The washer had a broken spider after just 6 years of use. I probably should have tried to fix it , but just recycled them instead.

 

All Whirlpool Duet Dryers sold in the US were built in Marion Ohio.

 

[logixx]

Only the washers were made in Germany, the dryers were always made in America. I was an intern at the factory (the R&D department) while the production was running.

The factory was demolished a few years ago.

 

[logixx]

Henrik

I just looked and the heater is indeed 230V, 1300 Watts.