Bosch or FisherPaykel Dishwasher?

earthling177 · Mar 27, 2019

I am very curious about the F&P.

I have two questions at this time.

One is how did you install the machines? Can one get away with just the two screws against the countertop like most other dishwashers do, or does one need to fasten it by the sides of the cabinets? What are the advantages and disadvantages between the screws on the side of the cabinet (front of the dishwasher) vs. screws inside the cabinet (by removing the drawer and screwing from the inside)?

The second question is perhaps a bit weirder. I remember when the DishDrawers came out about 20 years ago, there were several TV reporters (so, not the best, most reliable sources to begin with) claiming that one of the advantages of the DishDrawers was that one could customize the machines -- for example, one could run one drawer as a "half-load" machine and always have clean dishes, or one could run each drawer with a different cycle and they implied that one could remove all the inserts from the rack and rearrange them, so, for example, one could reconfigure one drawer to have both glasses inserts and one drawer to have both plates inserts, and run one drawer in the China cycle while the other one runs a Normal or Heavy Duty cycle. So, was this possible, is this still possible, or have they changed the racks so one always needs to have a glass and a plates insert in the same drawer? I'm asking because if it still works (or has ever worked) out like they described 20 years ago, maybe Steve could just put the two glass inserts in one drawer and the two plates inserts in another and make it into what most dishwashers have for a racking system.

Thanks in advance,
-- Paulo.

DADoES · Mar 27, 2019

The installation guide for my model doesn't explicitly warn so but the steps indicate that all anchor tabs/screws should be secured -- two screws at the top/front into the countertop, and four through the sides at the lower drawer. It says the single-drawer models don't have the two top tabs (however, installation of newer single-drawer units is much different per the last time I perused the procedures).

My countertop is granite and the top tabs/screws don't align properly, so I used only the side tabs/screws (two toward the back and two toward the front).

The two drawers in a double-drawer unit are completely separate machines regards to running cycles. Current models may not allow both drawers to perform some functions (such as draining) simultaneously so the control boards in the system prevent that from happening by pausing one of the cycles briefly if the timing happens to hit that way.

Per the pics:

1) All rack inserts removed makes for a wide-open space with no tines.

2) Two MegaRack inserts (for glassware and such) fit in one rack/drawer.

3) Two plate rack inserts doesn't work (on my model, can't say about newer units) because the space where a plate rack would go on the left side is a smidgen narrower than the space for it on the right side (see Pic 1 for reference) and the insert won't snap/anchor into position.

I (generally) scrape but I don't prerinse anything.

4) Rice or pasta .. whatever it was.

5) Baked chicken.

6) Microwave oatmeal with jam added, boilover.

earthling177 · Mar 27, 2019

Thank you Glenn, that is indeed very helpful!

whitetub · Mar 28, 2019

Mine is a different model. I can not remove the tines on the glasses side. My wash arms don't have as many holes as yours.

earthling177 · Mar 28, 2019

Steve, that's kinda weird that the rack is fixed, you seem to have a pretty high-end model even if it's a couple of years old or so.

Take a look at the user guide, it might tell you how to remove the rack(s).

In case you don't have the user guide, I've been taking a look at their website (morbid curiosity), and the link to the user guide is below (pages 17-19, I think, talk about the racks).

Good luck!

https://www.fisherpaykel.com/downlo...0F-GLO-DISHDRAWER-PH9-DD60-DD24-userguide.pdf

DADoES · Mar 28, 2019

The model and serial number should be on a tag at the left side of the facia between the drawers, visible below the upper drawer when it's open. The serial number is coded for the month and year of production if you want to know that.

The original-style spray arm had fewer/larger holes. It was redesigned with more/smaller holes. The new-style arm retrofits directly to the old-style.

My unit is a DD603 bought in August 2003. It had the old-style arms, non-adjustable tines (other than removing the inserts entirely), and the side shelves don't adjust for height. Yours has the adjustable racking so should be a newer series than 603, but maybe being in Canada the changes didn't introduce all at the same time and on a different schedule than the U.S.

DADoES · Mar 28, 2019

Steve's racking appears to be a different design than mine.

I notice that this tine (Pic 1) is hooked *under* the base basket rail at the left side. It appears to be part of the structure of the base basket.

My Mega Rack has an anchor "spring" that sits *in front* of that rail (Pic 2).

Also two other spring/tines (Pic 3 & 4) that anchor the Mega Rack to the base rack rails at the back and front. These are what allow my Mega Racks to be removed, they're not permanently attached to the base rack.

I *can* install it with the side hook under the side rail but that's not how my user guide shows it to be done. It says to position the "outer legs (front and back) of the Mega Rack, then clip it down to the side of the base.