Bosch vs Frigidaire FL--Apples & Oranges?

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There's still a usable top surface. The panels are on a bit of a slant in the front. But with a 15" pedestal, a short person would have difficulty being able to see and use the controls.
 
My goodness, it is interesting hearing all the "complaints" of the Affinity's small size. My Affinty pair replaced a 1981 White-Westinghouse Spacemates pair. The Frigidaire seems absolutely cavernous compared to the Westy. I love this new machine. It performs well. And I'm having fun with all the cycles, after being used to two on the Spacemates. It's wonderful having a washer go into the spin cycle, and not being aware that it happens. These modern washers sure are fun!
 
I love it´s spin noise when it does the second ramp.

I also love it´s precision. It really looks like a modern commercial washer. Nothing shakes, all the parameters are calculated and when it´s agitating is a little bit wierd to see the clothes tumbling in absolute silence.

On first loads I got some troubles to get the clothes rinsed properly using the doses indicated by detergent manufacturers. When i decided to reduce the dose, the results were great and I discovered a better cleaning efficiency even with for the heavy soiled items..

Now I can just ignore the SAN program and have sparkling clean whites using the heavy program and cold water. This washers saves not hundreds, but thousands of dollars in electricity.

The dryer is small comapred to other dryers, but it dries everything perfectly and i never had to split the loads.
Actually I can dry two loads at a time.

To be very honest, a perfect washer will never exist but... Up to this moment, the only negative point is the drain pump too strong, but this is standard in all american washers.
It drains in 4 or 5 seconds (full load)

Perfect, perfect, perfect!
 
How Much Space is Needed Behind the Machines?

We're not ruling out Frigidaire. We could live with the small dryer drum considering we had a regular size mid 70's center dial Maytag pair for many years as our daily drivers. The price is right on the Frigidaires too.

My main concern is amount of space needed behind the dryer. It would be very easy to vent it right through the wall to the outside. Would that save any space? Does anybody know how much extra we'd need to leave behind the dryer? 31.5 inches is already a bit deeper than desired for both washer and dryer (Bosch) and those figures don't allow for hose connections and venting. If there are additional inches needed for dryer venting, even if it's only ducted a few inches through the wall, we will definitely have to go with the Affinity pair.
 
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My affinity electric dryer is installed without the venting duct. the top cover is a little bit deeper than the machines, so there are space enough for connections, cables and the hoses. (only the venting duct wouldn't fit, but there are the side and the bottom connections to use in this case)
I have ony a few miimeters between the top cover and the wall to avoid scratching the tiles or the cover if someday it shakes. (But it never shakes)
 
THREE King Sized Duvets?

Wow, now that's impressive.

So now, what about perfectly horizontal washer drums vs. tilted ones? Any major cleaning advantages of one design over the other?
 
heheheh this is my favorite topic to answer...
Are you sure you really want to know the technical differences?

Ok, here it goes!

Absolutelly NO DIFFERENCE!!!
Both systems have it's positive and negative points.

when you balance these points, the result is exacty the same.

I'm not talking about "I think", but about "I know this after thousands and thousands (if not more than a million) of lab tests."
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By the way, I don't know how (and I really don't know)Affinity can challenge basic fisics rules. it's filling factor, for example.
If we calculate according to everything we learn at school, it handles 10 kg of clothes, right?

so...

why the hell this washer can clean perfectly a 14kg load without suffering any of the consequences of an overload?

there's no room for 2 (two) king size duvets. when it washes, I can hear the glass noises, like when we're cleaning a window. there's no mechanical action, it's visible the load is stuck in the drum...
the results are PERFECTLY CLEAN, PERFECTLY RINSED (and perfectly creased duvets)

the dryer is the same. it handles 3 (Three) duvets with perfection.

Of course this is not something to do everyday otherwise the machine's life will be shorter. But IF (NOTE THE "IF") someday you have an emergency and need to wash all your duvets or your closet, or your mother-in-law or even an elephant, Affinity will handle easily.

By the way, did I mention the thick 2 meters x 35cm hall mat I washed yesterday? It was a disaster after 1 year of shoes walking on it.
poor affinity... got a crazy owner...

Yes, i did it... you know... roll, stuck, close the hatch, add detergent and wait for the smoke comming out of it's back.... NO WAY!
1 HOUR LATER I GOT A SPARKLING CLEAN AND PERFECTLY SPUN MAT! (and the washer survived).
 
Thanks Thomas. There are things about the Affinity pair that make me prefer those, in spite of the small dryer capacity. They are more affordable than Bosch too. The laundry area is small and I think the Affinities would fit better.
 
Please be sure to choose the TOL model.

I would kill myself if my Affinities had that horrible white details on the hatch, control dial and buttons.

Later I can teach you some interesting tricks about it.

The best thing about affinity? The F-A-B-U-L-O-U-S jet engine noise when it spins. I makes me feel like using one of those huge industrial washers. All other washers can be compared to a VW beetle and Affinity compared to a Ferrari. It´s not loud, but it has an unexplainable precision.... Sounds like music to my ears.
 
Thomas, I love your description of the spinning sounds. I do notice a nice whine from our Duet but not always.

Whatever I get, it will be toward the TOL as I will want one with an on-board water heater.
 
My model has it and it works great.
Here in brazil, because of our weather and the culture, almost 100% of the home don't have hot water pipes in the laundry room and most of our washers has only cold fill and doesn't have a internal heater.
My affinity hoses are both connected to the cold water pipe.
I can sanitize perfectly starting with cold water, the washer detects it and increases the wash time to compensate.

In you case, I guess you have hot water, so the cycles will be shorter.

I like this function because you can always be sure the load was sanitized, even if you run out of hot water or on colder days. but honestly, I almost never wash with warm or hot water because it cleans perfectly even with cold cycles.

By the way, the time display isn't too accurate because of the unpredictabe factors like cold water pipe and you choose hot wash or unbalanced loads.
 
i forgot to tell you...

The only model we have available here in Brazil is equivalent to ATF7000FS. Here it's named Electrolux Eco Turbo TRW10.

You have the option, get the model ATF8000FS. The only difference between them are the chrome details.
both models have internal heater. I'd like to have the TOL model because I love chrome.
 
don't know if you bought yet...

We bought a Bosch 500 -- we had a Euro size Asko and my wife's allergies have gotten SO bad we needed something that would do the king sized comforter.

In short, the complaints we had about Bosch were as follows:

1. It didn't rinse the soap out. Now, we'd had front loaders for over 14 years so we know, use 2 tablespoons or less of low sudsing detergent.
2. It had no 'rinse only' cycle.
3. The soap washed in as soon as you dropped it in - there was no dissolving.
4. It was so water efficient I don't believe there was enough water to dissolve the soap properly.

We gave up on it, and returned it to Lowes where we bought it. Replaced them with Duet machines (with onboard heaters -- a sanitizing cycle is vital for us with dust allergies), and couldn't be happier. They stack, which the Bosch did not, the pre-mix the soap and water then put it into the clothes, and do a bunch of nifty things.

I miss being able to vary the temperature from ambient cold water to 95C/203F but that's the breaks....

In short, I didn't like the Bosch. Initially I thought 'great' because they WERE US manufactured, but after I spent >2 hours on phone waiting for customer service, I was less than impressed.

Whirlpool's customer service I was delighted with. Their dryers are US made, at least.

Nate
 

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