Brokeback Mountain

[MrX]

I found it quite boring and fairly non-contraverital

I watched Brokeback Mountain last week here in Dublin, Ireland and it really was extremely non contravertial compared to other movies running at the time. I actually found the plot rather boring to be honest. While, yes it did deal with a rather nasty ultra conservative society, not unlike rural Ireland back in the 1950s/60s, I still found it very slow moving and quite boring.

Perhaps, I'm from a different place and a different era so don't see the big deal about gay cowboys.

The tragedy is that they didn't move to San Fran and before the grumpy blond dude got married. They were trapped by circumstance, but it's pretty much what I would have expected given the attitudes, the time and the place.

It got an age 16 rating here and that was primarily due to the couple of very violent scenes rather than the sexual content. In general our film classifications tend to get much more worried about violence / sexual violence than they do about sex, be it gay or straight.

It's odd how Ireland's changed over the last 20+ years though... it's very rapidly become a very liberal society in most respects as the whole conservative and church dominated stuff simply disolved away through endless scandals. I think perhaps it's also a question of demographics too. In the 1960s and 70s Ireland was a very "gray" country in terms of its age profile. Thesedays, it's one of the youngest populations in Europe. Social norms tend to change with the average age of the population.

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Dante wrote...

Dante Alighieri, a very famouse composer of the italian Middleage's literature wrote: " l'amor che move il sole e l'altre stelle"...
It means it is the love which move everything...

I dont' see the movie but i heard about some frineds who saw it and they said it's a greatful love story... although here in Italy it has been considerated "scandaloso".

That's why I dont know if i will go to see it.. I think I won't. I think that it's right to treat some theme (like war, life, drug), but some times it's better to don't. That's way I respect any opinions but I disagree with anyone who makes a "show" of its style-life, indipendently if she or he is gay or not.

Bye!

 

[toggleswitch]

Diomede:

I respect you and your opinions trememdously. However the "other" life-style exists and is just as valid as any other. There is no reason to live in fear or in hiding.

At one time people could be killed (or at least ostracized) for being left-handed, it is after-all evil since it is not the majority. Right? Do we even think about this today?

Flaunting it? (making a show of it)
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I don't necessarily want to see breeders holding hands, kissing, getting to various bases in public etc. But they feel it is their right to flaunt it and rub it in people's faces. Is this not a private thing? Have some class and manners, don't act like a dog in heat in public.

Is it not egotistical to have more than two children, therby adding to over-population and depleting the world of already scarce resources? and who judges whose DNA is worthy of replicating anyway?

Of course, I may not believe any of what I just wrote or I may believe it all. Just trying to make a point that the majority is not always right. What if heterosexuality is a learned and conditioned response? The conditioning attacks the sanctity of our pure soul, after all, from birth forward.

If a visitor from outer space came down to earth today wouldn't physical realtions be equally gross, techincally, of any kind? Is reporductive s - - the only valid type?

The above opinions do not necessarily reflect the views of managment (or myself). Just thought I'd put a different perspective on it.

We waste way too much time in life trying to be someone else's ideal. Just be your good pure self. All else follows.

LOVINGLY SAID- EVERYONE.

 

[foraloysius]

Scandaloso???

In my not so humble opinion there should absolutely be more "gay show" in Italy than now occurs. Italy is by far the most repressive country in regard to homosexuality in Western Europe. I have never seen people react so rigid about their identity as Italian gays. I have been mailing for years with an Italian gay man and after all these years he still was afraid to send me a picture, afraid that whenever he sends somebody a picture it might come out to his family that he is gay. Part of this is ofcourse a conservative attitude towards homosexuality of the Roman Catholic church, especially in Italy. I admire all the gay activists in Italy that flaunt their homosexuality. Good for them!

 

[gansky1]

For me, this film had much more of an emotional impact in the following days and previous two weeks after seeing it. I keep reviewing scenes, emotions and details over in my mind and am amazed at how although differently portrayed in the film, many of those events speak to myself and others I know whom I've talked about it with. For some, it has been a very powerful catalyst for examining their own lives and the expectations, hopes and dreams they have for themselves, others I've talked to keep coming back to the political implications of the civil rights and acceptance as seen in the film. Still others, myself included, have found scenes in the film that really struck a chord with events in our lives, one of the most powerful for me was their parting scene after the summer on the mountain when Ennis slipped into an alley and literally broke down completely at the loss of this incredible bond he had forged. You could feel his heart being ripped out of his soul - how many of us can relate to that?? I thought it was a very powerful film on many levels and plan on seeing it again.

 

[rickr]

Louis,I could not agree with you more! I was raised as a catholic,and attended services weekly until about 3 years ago. It was the best thing I ever quit! Now Pope Nazi is pointing the finger at the Gay community for the decades of child abuse. Do I miss attending the catholic church? Hardly,I say GOODBYE TO BAD RUBBISH!! And truly mean it. I cannot wait until the USA is more like Europe concerning the church.And I think it is right around the corner.

 

[frontaloadotmy]

gansky Right On tyvm

For my part the biggest deal about this movie was that it was
made at all, and over all, so beautifully done. That it has
garnered critical acclaim is another extra. I agree with your
opinion of the scene in which Ennis deals with his heart break
by pounding the wall. I don't go to many movies, sensory overload usually. I saw it the first time with my mother and five days later we talked about it again, we both had observations similar to yours. While we all know it was just a "short story" it certainly is the embodiment of "art imitates life". Pretty cool that a Chinese director and a
"tough man" author and all others for that matter would
do this project. I will always appreciate that Heath and Jake
made that decision about their careers as actors.

 

[oldwasherguy]

brokeback mountain

i have not seen this film, but i think it is about gay guys. it is not a sin to be gay, but the bible says to resist the homosexual urges,or burn in hell for all eternity. i think thats whats wrong with america today, no one listens to gods word anymore, as if his word is not needed to properly raise our children. we really need more religion. think about it guys.

 

[jmirawm]

Please tell me...........

The chapter and verse these words appear in.....**resist the homosexual urges,or burn in hell for all eternity.**<p>And I will gladly look them up and read them. <p> Tom <p> a once upon a time Lutheran Seminary student.

 

[Unimatic1140]

What Is It About This Week?

Old washerguy you have every right to your opinion, and I certainly wouldn’t delete your post just because I disagree, that wouldn't be fair, but that too means I have every right to my opinion then and here it is:

i have not seen this film, but i think it is about gay guys.
That is correct, its a wonderful film that has been way overdue.

it is not a sin to be gay,
Damn, it makes it more fun if its a sin.

but the bible says to resist the homosexual urges
Well my 1957 Frigidaire Washer Owners manual says not to overload, but I sometimes do it anyway. Funny things still come out clean.

or burn in hell for all eternity
My parents are Jewish, so I get to go to Jewish hell, we have central air there to keep out all that nasty heat.

i think that’s whets wrong with America today
Right, like it used to be so wonderful? The machines certainly were better, but the people, feh, have you seen the movie Far From Heaven?

no one listens to gods word anymore
It's called evolution, think about it.

as if his word is not needed to properly raise our children.
I think the kids today are nuts, but when the grow up they seem to be better adjusted than any other generation of our lifetime.

we really need more religion.
I think we need more laundry, less people die.

think about it guys.
I just did.

I don’t mean to offend anyone here with religious beliefs, I respect everyone personal beliefs but did you ever hear a gay person telling a religious person how they should live their lives? Live and let live and Get over it, because thankfully most of the world has gotten over it.

 

[oldwasherguy]

brokeback mountain

i am not quoting the bible word for word in my last statement,but here is a passage that God looks down upon gays.
Chapter 19
1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.

15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

17 And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.

18 And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my LORD:

19 Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:

20 Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.

21 And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken.

22 Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.

23 The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.

24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

27 And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD:

28 And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.

29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.

30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

37 And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

38 And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

 

[Unimatic1140]

Oh Dear, sometimes I don't follows what's written in

I am quoting word for word

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LOAD LOOSELY ... Please Don't Overload!

Drop individual pieces loosely into four sections of the tub as shown. Do not wind clothes around Pulsator or arrange in circular fashion.

 

[michaelman2]

Oy....!

I am always suspicious when I look up a profile and there is nothing there for the member.

 

[frigilux]

Thank you, Robert.

 

[oldwasherguy]

dont shoot the messenger

i was asked to present the material guys,dont get mad. i forgot to finish my profile until someone mentioned it. its up now,thanks. Forgive me, im still new here.

 

[DADoES]

Ahh, so you're a mouthpiece for another party.

 

[rickr]

Oh! I almost missed this one...Has Pat Robertson has joined Automaticwasher.org??

You can keep it up if you want dude,but do remember two things:

God made us as we are,and He does not make mistakes.
&
The bible was not written by God,it was written by man.

The Ten Commandments WERE written by God,and they say nothing about gays at all. However they do say: LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THY SELF.

Too bad we can't all obey the Ten Commandments! This world would be such a nicer place to be.

 

[veg-o-matic]

Annnnnnnnndddddd they're off!

Woo hoo! Things been so innnnteresting 'round here lately.

veg

 

[tlee618]

Couldn't have put it better myself Rick, Thanks for sharing. Terry

 

[kevinpreston8]

Misc thoughts....

I don't care to see Brokeback Mountain, not because of the gay characters, but because I can't stand downbeat romance movies of any stripe. I don't like romantic comedies either. Or any picture with Jlo (Benifer for that matter), Jennifer Anniston, Babs Commie("the rules only apply to you little people) Streisand, Ed Assner, Susan Sarandon and her wife, and a few other big mouthed 'celebs'.

The worst movie I ever saw, hands down, was "Terms of Endearment" the romantic "dramady". Long stupid scenes, dumb situations, terrible editing, mother and daughter smoking pot together (that was supposed to be hilarious, right?) and then when the "laughs" are over, the screenwriters say what the hell and give the daughter terminal cancer. End of movie. But heck, people loved it and it was a hit, go figure.

I don't care if people are gay, or movies have gay characters. Why should I? I just can't stand downbeat movies.

As far as our group here, I think it wisest that we all refrain from conjecture about who sins where and why and how. We're here because we enjoy collecting great things, design, engineering, not because we may have different beliefs and orientation.

Just my two bits.