Buy your water heaters now!

[washer111]

@norgeway

Its just like countries which charge more and more for older cars to be on the road, to the point where you should replace the engine or the car itself every couple of years (i.e. Japan).

Its FAR less pollutive to leave an old car on the road than to replace it with a new hybrid. Where do the car's furnishings come from? The computers? The batteries? The metals for the engine?
All of it, thanks to globalisation, comes from every corner of the globe. Countless tons of oil are wasted shipping these products when they could be made locally with far less environmental impact. Sure, new cars use less fuel, and maybe doesn't spit out as much bad gasses, but it only ever recoups the cost made to the environment in its production.

The old car will last just as long, if not longer, and isn't built from a million wizz-bang materials that can't be sourced. Even cars fitted with computers from the 1980s and 1990s are still running fine today. A little technical know-how will go a long way to keeping those simple, economical vehicles running.

 

[whirlcool]

That happened to my friend recently with one of his State hot water tanks. The pilot light went out and wouldn't relight. It was getting gas, but it just wouldn't light.
Finally on a YouTube video about hot water tank repairs it said to clean the filter around the parameter of the tank. He didn't know it had one. He pulled it out and cleaned it. It was full of dust. Earlier that year he had done some sheet rock work in the next room and some of the dust clogged the filter. He cleaned the filter and the tank then lit up just fine.

I think I'll try draining about 5 gallons out of our tank just to see if I get any sentiment out of it. Our water here is pretty hard with a high calcium content.

 

[arbilab]

I want a water heater that plays "I'm Getting Sedimental Over You" when it needs draining. Hell, if you're going to make me wire it to 120V before it will work, make the damn thing drain itself!

Anybody counted the (gasp) "carbon footprint" of sending an Econoline to your house every 3 months to repair all this fangled jiggerypockery for those who don't know which end of a screwdriver goes where (almost ALL Americans)?

Ask google 'how many water heaters ignite flammable vapor' and it won't even answer you. Go ahead, try it. It's an imaginary problem. Unlike say, the death of 7 kids in NY from an unattended hotplate left running in observance of some religious ritual against lighting fires.

Can't outlaw stupid. Can institutionalize it, that's what goobermint excels at.

Howzbout this? Almost nobody operates a fridge without operating a waterheater. The fridge dumps over 1kW in waste heat, running roughly 12-7-365. Catch that heat and put it in the water. Why do I have to think of EVERYthing?

 

[retro-man]

My neighbor just replaced his gas water heater. The company that was doing the install stated he needed his chimney lined with stainless steel. They gave him a price and he was floored. They took out the new gas water heater that was not installed yet and brought in an electric one. The chimney was fine as is and still has a gas furnace attached to it. He did not want to go the route of a fan exhaust gas water heater. I have friends who have them and replace them every couple of years. Not something I want in my house.

Jon

 

[whirlcool]

Every few years we do have a gas water tank explosion around here. What happens is that people in this area usually have the tank in the attic or in the garage due to the lack of basements. Someone sets off one of those bug bombs in their closed off garages to kill roaches or spiders. Then during this process the water tank turns on.
Boom! There goes your garage! The blast usually blows the main door off its tracks and starts the contents on fire. The directions on the bug bomb products warn against using the product near a water heater, but since when do people read instructions?

 

[mark_wpduet]

God knows

what my water heater looks like inside! It's all electric AO Smith 50 gallon and about 10.5 yrs old and I've never done anything to it other than adjusted the temp here and there. I'm wondering how much longer it will last. There is no way in HE!! I would try to install one myself. I have NO clue what brand to even get or where to get it.

 

[DADoES]

 
Replacing an electric water heater doesn't involve much more ruckus than swapping a washing machine or dishwasher, assuming there's no rigamarole involved for plumbing code changes.

 

[kb0nes]

These are all good changes in my opinion. A standing pilot on a water heater is just silly today. I hope that they toss out those ridiculous mechanical thermostats too. I have tried two different ones in my Whirlpool branded water heater and the dead band is over a 20 degree delta. I'm tempted to just build a proper electronic control with a furnace valve!

I for one am pleased with governmental regulation of energy efficiency of various every day products. We'd be in far worse shape overall if it came down to the consumers to make these decisions. Heck about 1/2 the country doesn't even believe in science anymore...

 

[norgeway]

Mechanical controls

Are much more reliable than electronic,and much easier and cheaper to fix or replace when they do fail.

 

[kb0nes]

Hans,

Sorry I disagree here. How does one fix a mechanical control on a water heater? Chuck it... $125 (done it twice now in 8 years) An electronic control is quite likely cheaper to manufacture, so even if the "repair" is the same it could be less expensive.

 

Also this mantra that electronics are unreliable is just dogma. Designed properly electronics will long outlast mechanical controls, there is no wear. The issue here isn't mechanical vs electronic control, its quality of design! I bet mechanical controls of all sorts today, are no where near as reliable of those of years gone by. Lets see how many 2010 vintage mechanical washing machine timers are still running in 30 years...

 

[cadman]

Phil, I can't entirely disagree with you, but the reality is that these boards are going to be cranked out by the lowest bidder with the cheapest components the supplier can get away with. A thin conformal coat (if you're lucky) won't cut it in the long term for the wet, corrosive environments a lot of these units will see. Considerations for tolerance drift? Forget it.

No doubt there'll be a micro and "diagnostics" via a blinking LED, which also means software and the joys that can bring. Where a generic t-stat can often be made to work, forget it with this approach. It's a cash-cow for the manufacturer (sorry, that board is obsolete). Not a big deal for someone handy with electronics, but try explaining that to my grandma when there's nothing mechanically wrong with her WH but the service people say it needs to be replaced. I've already been down that road with her furnace.

I have trouble seeing how this is an improvement when risk goes up but functionality does not, and energy spent ends up a wash.

 

[norgeway]

I guess

Im stuck in the past, because I don't want any thing new in my house, When I see new,,,I see CHEAP!

 

[gusherb]

Bradford White and A.O. Smith have been using the new Honeywell Smart control or whatever it is that they call it on water heaters for about 4 years now, indeed they did have a lot of nuisance issues at first that caused the pilot to go out etc but from what I've heard the kinks are worked out now. And indeed they're much more accurate.
Also Rheem just recently started using them as well within the past year or so. I'm personally not worried about the electronic gas valves, as long as they're proven reliable. It's the extra cost and 120 volt requirement that irks me, and throwing electronic ignition in the works does needlessly complicate things as far as water heaters go.

I'm sure in 5 years when they work the kinks out of the new products coming out now I won't even think twice about having a water heater with electronic ignition and a draft hood damper. I will probably buy a UPS to plug it into so I can have my hot water during power outages though.

 

[nurdlinger]

Electric water heater replacement is easy

What makes it seem hard is that you need to deal with power wires individually rather than plugging something in like the dryer. I have replaced mine twice in the 37-odd years I have owned my house. Water has lots of calcium and I'm not always on top of it when the softener runs out of salt. I drain the sediment periodically.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

All these talks are really clueless....don't you realize it???
Eco stuff etc..is not needed! And most of times is just yet another thing to get the rich richer and the real responsible more irresponsible, it's all a plan and the goal is just this $$$$$$$$$$$$!

We could have had cars running with hemp, corn whatever oil since centuries and first cars were put on market Ford year 1903 , now even more sustaible stuff like hydrogen and lot of other things, same with heaters and the electricity plants we have a HUUUGE amount of renewabloe sources to pick from if the governments really wanted to, yet the big ones so the government along with the oil lobbies force you to use and change to crappy unfunctional appliances because they're making LOOOTS of money over them and this HE_ECO whatever craze, and this in order to use less of their "fuels" that they will make sure to rise and rise.... but you gotta keep using them... etc...when the matter would really be simple...we could have quitted using coal, gas and gasoline for lots of stuff since lots of time now if they wanted to, can you imagine all the new cars you see around if they were not gas anymore but hydrogen? There would be no oil crisis and really less problems.....but that's a business!
So is not this way wer're going to solve the problems, if they really are problems...
All I see are excuses and made up things, made up crisis made up wars...everything is an agenda everything is taken as a chance to make money, this is the only thing I see they care of.....this is not how we're going to changhe the world!
So you can't ask me to be OK with it!

 

[beekeyknee]

Here's my w/h. Glad I got this done before all this nonsense started. It's doesn't make a sound, I never run out of hot water and it doesn't cost much more to run than the one that lasted 6 years. I'm very happy.

http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?41978

 

[norgeway]

I have an electric water heater

But im going to start looking for a pilot gas model just in case I do change at some point, darned if im going to have one without a pilot light, or a gas range either for that matter..We had a oil fired water heater at home and it was absolutely wonderful...HOT HOT water and you never ran out.Kenmoreguy 89 hit the nail on the head..its all about money!

 

[cleanteamofny]

Right now I'm doing a little homework, slightly tipsy but up and I wanted to know
how much a pilot light uses in one day.

This is a start, but it by how many homes has this current set up and it is out of this world!
(ME, ME, ME)?
What about us in a whole?

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Pilot-Lights-What-a-Waste-of-Energy.html
http://ecorenovator.org/forum/conservation/1236-pilot-light-gas-usage.html

 

[kb0nes]

Spot on Larry, the 24/7/365 losses are IMMENSE when you consider the millions of pilots that are just doing nothing right now.

There has been a lot of resistance to modernize water heater controls since it will require the first time connection to AC power. The newest high efficiency induced draft models have been using AC power for the inducer blower for a long while already.

Its been a very long while since we could buy a furnace with a standing pilot, its time for water heaters to take the step up too. It makes no sense to not go for the low hanging fruit when it comes to conservation. Conservation may not make a huge effect on the lives of the people reading this board today, but what about future generations?

 

[mark_wpduet]

Since we're talking about water heaters

this makes me want to ask a question. In Lexington, we have moderately hard water (they say) and I do not have a water softener. To me, the water here is VERY hard, not just moderately hard....But that said, there is no sediment at all in my toilet tanks after ten plus years. Like I said, I've never drained the hot water heater in 10 plus years. So I wonder, since it's never been drained, would draining it cause problems because of all of the muck that must be in there by now? I've seen the inside of hot water heaters online that were half full of hardened minerals and I'm trying to figure out how would that go through the hose you're using to drain it. I may do this sometime soon. I know the water needs to be turned off and a few things need to be done before you turn the water heater back on. Things like this intimidate me. Anything with plumbing and electricity.....