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If You Are Looking For Phosphates

Don't bother with Calgon. The powdered version sold in the USA has long changed formulas, and is now mainly washing soda. Liquid Calgon is sodium citrate.

Last time one checked, according to the MSDS Calgon powder sold in Canada still contains phosphates.

What was great about the old Calgon powder formula (from the silver box right through the "ancient Chinese secret" days is it contained two types of phosphates, STPP, and sodium hexaphosphate. FWIU the later is much better at water softening and so forth than the former. Indeed the SHPP costs more at the ChemistryStore.com than STPP.

Long story short, unless you have a specific need for Calgon, you'd be better off purchasing phosphates in bulk.

Just my two cents. *LOL*
 
well i was curious, ever since i got my belt drive kenmore i can't seem to get the detergent to lather in the wash. i realize that i don't want it to lather too much, don't want to recreate what Bobby Brady did on the Brady Bunch. now in the past i never had a problem getting the water to lather in other machine like the DD machine built by whirlpool.
 
Have A Belt Driven Whirlpool

No problems here with creating froth, not that one is actually trying.

Bobby Brady poured an entire carton of laundry detergent into the washing machine (or at least that is how it appears on television).

If it is suds you want, pick up some Tide (not HE), detergent and start with a normal dose, then keep adding more until you reach whatever suds level desired.

Generally speaking, froth is not a good indicator of cleaning action when it comes to detergents. It could be either you have hard water (which influences sudsing), and or a very dirty wash (ditto), combination of both, or simply whatever product you are using is designed *not* to create mounds of froth.

Tide, at least in the past will certianly get you there, but then you have the flip side, how to get all that foam out of your washer. Excess suds aren't good for the machine, especially it's pump, so wouldn't do this on a regular basis.
 
well i am not wanting excess suds anyways, just some sudes would be nice. but all that's ever in the water is just cloudy water. i use gain and it cleans realy good.
 
I'd be happy....

..... with that...

Happy that the detergent I'm using is cleaning the clothes....

Happy that it's probably rinsing out better than one that suds...

...and certainly happy that there aren't suds causing issues with the mechanics (pump)....
 
I've noticed since I started using STPP that I don't get more suds in my laundry, but they last longer. Usually when I would do laundry there would be a good amount of suds the first 8 minutes or so in the wash cycle. Then they would eventually disappear. But then reappear in the rinse cycle. When I started using STPP the suds appear, and stay there until the drain and spin. And the rinse cycle is completely clear of suds. And my clothes feel cleaner with no trace of residue at all. You should get some and see how you like it. I'm glad I finally bought some, it was worth it!
 
STPP stands for sodium tripolyphosphate. It's an ingredient that was once widely used in laundry detergent for many years, until it was found to be harmful to the environment. The thing is, the STPP found in waste water was mostly from agricultural waste and even human waste. The percentage of stpp waste from laundry detergents and dishwasher detergents were found to be minimal. But they are finally getting it out of all cleaning products. Just recently, dishwashing detergent is now phosphate free. What the STPP does is soften the water if you live in an area with hard water. It allows the detergent to actually do it's job like it's supposed to. There are many discussions on this topic on this site. So if you're in a hard water area, that could be why your laundry isn't producing very much suds. The STPP will help your detergent not only wash better, but rinse better as well. Here's a link to the Chemistry store. This is where I purchased mine. Check with your cities water management department to check the hardness. Usually one tablespoon in a top loading, center post agitator washer will do. If your water is really hard, then go with 2.

http://www.chemistrystore.com/cart.cgi?group=88696&child=88793
 
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