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I tried the new platinum packs

So i decided to try the "new and improved" platinum packs since i had trouble with tons of foam and these are even WORSE!!! They foam even MORE!! WHAT THE HELL!! I bought the new finish quantum packs too and they foam alot, the finish quantum was the only thing i could use besides something cheap. So what? We cant use anything anymore?????? (Dishwasher detergent is NOT supposed to foam!!!)

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That the worst thing about P&G products...the formulations and scents are constantly changing, sometimes announced on the the packaging, sometimes not.

 

Thanks for the report Eddie, maybe I'll give the Cascade powder another try.  I'm sure they have changed it since I last used it.  However since they'd rather people buy the premium pods (and lose the ability to dose them) they probably wouldn't have trumpeted the change on the box.

 

 
 
As I said in the HE powdered laundry thread........

How I wish Henkel would bring Somat dishwasher-ing to the States! (Perhaps they have, but I mean to supermarkets, Target..without having to "mail order" the stuff..)

Somat 9, which a kind friend sent me, is the only dishwasher detergent I prefer to Cascade Platinum.

I just scrape, I never ever rinse a blasted thing, and cringe when well-intentioned friends, trying to be helpful, rinse dishes before I can load them.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
It makes you wonder.... if companies like P&G are even bothering with field testing anymore. Heck, even an internal employee test would be helpful.
Give some reformulated pacs to employees, test them for a few weeks and report back any good or bad findings.
We do internal field testing all the time. It's very informative.

Or are they just reformulating and tossing them out into the market?
 
 
I ran a DD load this morning with a Cascade Platinum pack.  There was considerable sudsing during the prewash.  Much less, although some, during the main wash.  I got a few pics but can't get them out of the camera because I didn't have a memory card inserted and I can't find the mini-USB cable to get them out of on-board memory.

The Platinum didn't clean a tea stain that Boil Out handles nicely.
 
I find the tea stain effectiveness varies.  When I use SmartWash and the load is quite dirty, soil removal is much better.  Main wash  has been clocked at 88 to 90 minutes.  Not sure if target temp is 130 or 140 in those scenarios.  But loads are far better dealt with when I opt for Sani-Rinse.  Main wash is 140+ and final rinse is 153 to 155.  And main wash can still be about 90 minutes. 
 
I'm only dealing with Miele...

I can't tell you how many households I've been in where the only trouble with their dishwasher has been the use of pods. Seriously. The excess detergent causes leakage, heating faults, drainage faults, incomplete rinsing.... In clothes washers, you can add in door lock faults, fill faults, spin faults....

They finally believe me when I run their washer to test it and there are suds in it. "That residue is on the last dishes/clothes you washed in this machine!"

Stop with the pods already! LOL!

Chuck
 
Hi Chuck,

I am NOT a fan of pods either...especially for a dishwasher. You cannot control the dosage. I've had customers that move into a new place and wash clean dishes with a pod, and think there is something wrong with the dishwasher because it oversuds and leaks!!!!!

Hope you and Rich are well....Happy Easter to you both!
 
Pods/Pacs

I find that the Finish Quantum pacs work quite well. That is if they fully dissolve during the wash. Using the new Bosch I find that the Auto or Heavy cycle is required to dissolve the pacs faster. The Normal cycle does not use enough heat in lightly soiled loads for the pac to dissolve fast enough. After I use the next bag of Quantum, I might go back to the Cascade Complete powder mixed with about 20% STPP in volume. I too would buy a Platinum version of Cascade powder. Perhaps a little citric acid and maybe double the enzymes? One good thing about the pacs is that they can combine both powder and liquid ingredients together in one dose, which is kind of an engineering feat.
 
Not really sure why so much hate for pods, for me they just work.  I keep some powdered on had to use with odd or small loads, but never had a suds issue in my new KA, last time I looked mid cycle there was a small amount of suds on top of the puddle of water, certainly nothing I'd worry about.  Got to be the water in your area causing that.
 
"Not really sure why so much hate for pods..."

Because of the excessive foaming issues.

These pods are designed for a full load of dishes, in a full-size machine, with a filthy level of soiling, and hard water to boot.

God help us if we have a half load, a compact machine, light soiling, or soft water... we get excessive amounts of foam generated. Even more so, if several of the above factors come into play.
 
Finally got pictures.

The detergent cup just opened about 5 minutes before. The pack wasn't even dissolved all the way and already this much foam. I'm going to switch back to the powder. That's a good 2.5 inches of foam already from what I can tell. The tub is pretty deep.

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Because of the excessive foaming issues.

 

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As I have stated I've never had a similar issue.  I'm sure there are other factors in play here, as to the amount and type of water used.  If I remember I'll snap a picture of the little amount of suds I have using pods...
 
Loading a sharp knife with its blade upside would be a sure way to cut my wrist in no time at all. Distracted as I usually am...

That is an impressive amount of foam. Can`t comment on the Cascade Packs, we didn`t have any P&G automatic DW products for a long time in stores, but I`ve always found if a DW detergent tends to be on the sudsy side it also seems to do a superior job for crystal clear glasses.
Guess if it chokes the pump it`s way too much.
 

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