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Platinum pack in my whirlpool made kenmore portable, i use any other detergent and have zero foam, i since switched to finish quantum. My water is city water and not really soft eather.

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I have not had

oversudsing in my new apartment's "Electrolux-idaire" dishwasher with Cascade Platinum, I do believe you all, though.

I DID have oversudsing with Platinum in my previous dishwasher, the GE Nautilus.

The best oversudsing treatment, besides getting a less sudsy detergent next time, is a small spoonful or so of an edible fat, like canola oil, or butter......whatever's at hand. Just open the machine and put the fat in the tub and restart.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
With my water and a KitchenAid KUDS24 I had awful foaming to the point of leaking with Finish Powerball tablets. I gave a bunch of them to a co worker that doesn't have softened water.

I started using Cascade Platinum packs and while I sometimes see a bit of foaming if I open the door, it never created a problem. I bought Cascade Complete packs last time to compare them and they seem ok sudsing wise, seem to clean just fine also.
 
I use Cascade Platinum paks and haven’t noticed any sudsing problem, but we have very hard water here too. It’s hard to get suds from most new detergents with our hard water.

I do very minimal rinsing, and always use the 1 hour cycle that uses more water, so that may also account for my not having a prob with excess suds. Anyway, the Platinum Paks clean very well and I like them.
Eddie
 
Rinse aids could be problem

I stopped using Electrasol several years ago because of sudsing and switched to Cascade Complete. Have not had any sudsing issues at all with Cascade Complete. I don't use Platinum because I don't really need the extra rinse-aids, so I don't know if it sudses or not. I did however have a sudsing issue with Finish Jet-dry years ago.
 
When I did dishes last night I used Platinum as I have been and looked to see just how foamy it was.  My new KA had a little puddle of water with just a little foam on top - noting that would cause and issue.  The foam may be a function of the water level and how the wash arm moves the water, no idea why some would have an issue.
 
I wondr if all the foam could damage your dishwasher

Myself and other Miele techs have been out on calls where the only problem is oversudsing. Soapy water can get by seals and trigger a float switch in the bottom pan as well as assist in water getting past door seals causing external leaks. It can also cause drain faults and door-switch faults, as well as heating faults. New machines only use about 5.4 liters a fill, so that's not much water! Less water, less soap needed.

In the field, we heavily suggest to folks that they not use pods. It's way more soap than is needed. If they use compressed powder pucks, we suggest they cut them in half for most loads.

FWIW,
Chuck
 
"we heavily suggest that they not use pods"

I'm pretty sure that I came across anecdotal UK independent engineer reports of them attending store brand dishwashers (e.g. Currys 'Kenwood' and 'Logik'; defunct Comet 'Proline', etc. It probably also referred to Argos 'Bush' and 'Russell Hobbs') - usually made in China.

Too much foam caused leaks into the flood tray. Unfortunately, due to poor build quality and poorly positioned components, the motor electrics got short-circuited too. Complete write-off as parts were difficult to get.
 
I've often thought those tabs/pods were too concentrated for the small amount of water the modern dishwashers use.

If I use one and hear the foam sound inside...and open the door to check it out...when I re-latch the door to start the machine it will bubble out under the door!  I just gave my last ones to my mother who has the same dishwasher as me but unsoftened water.
 
I’ve been using Cascade Platinum Paks for three years now and have been very pleased up until last Wednesday. I did a load in my Whirlpool WDF330PAHW using the 1 hour cycle with heated dry option, just like always. I placed the one Platinum Pak’s in the dispenser, just like always, making sure to run the hot water at the sink until it was really hot before pressing start. When the cycle was complete and I opened the door I immediately knew something wasn’t right. There was a white film all over the clear glass items, and upon further inspection I found the partially dissolved Platinum Pak on the bottom, left side of the tub. The dishes hadn’t been cleaned thoroughly either and I had to rewash several items. This had never happened before and I was concerned that there was something wrong with the dishwasher. So I ran a cycle with no detergent and an empty tub to see if everything was OK with the machine, and it was.

The next day I bought a box of Cascade Complete Powder and gave it a try. I found that it cleaned just as well, if not better than the Platinum Paks, and at $5.99 for the large box, compared to $13.00 for the 36 pak Platinum Paks, this will now be my daily driver DW detergent.

To keep it fresh, I poured the entire box into a 2 quart Rubbermaid pitcher, so its sealed against any moister. Since our water is extremely hard here I’m filling the main cup to the max line and also the prewash cup as well, using one of those little plastic measuring cups that come with liquid medicine.

And like always, I’m using rinse aid too. The real difference I noticed immediately is that the coffee stains came out of the white Corelle Stoneware mugs, stains that the Platinum Paks always left behind.

Thanks to all the members here that have posted favorable comments about Cascade Complete Powder. Your input helped me come up with an excellent solution right away.
Eddie[this post was last edited: 3/19/2018-01:08]
 
I tried the new platinum packs

So i decided to try the "new and improved" platinum packs since i had trouble with tons of foam and these are even WORSE!!! They foam even MORE!! WHAT THE HELL!! I bought the new finish quantum packs too and they foam alot, the finish quantum was the only thing i could use besides something cheap. So what? We cant use anything anymore?????? (Dishwasher detergent is NOT supposed to foam!!!)

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That the worst thing about P&G products...the formulations and scents are constantly changing, sometimes announced on the the packaging, sometimes not.

 

Thanks for the report Eddie, maybe I'll give the Cascade powder another try.  I'm sure they have changed it since I last used it.  However since they'd rather people buy the premium pods (and lose the ability to dose them) they probably wouldn't have trumpeted the change on the box.

 

 
 
As I said in the HE powdered laundry thread........

How I wish Henkel would bring Somat dishwasher-ing to the States! (Perhaps they have, but I mean to supermarkets, Target..without having to "mail order" the stuff..)

Somat 9, which a kind friend sent me, is the only dishwasher detergent I prefer to Cascade Platinum.

I just scrape, I never ever rinse a blasted thing, and cringe when well-intentioned friends, trying to be helpful, rinse dishes before I can load them.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
It makes you wonder.... if companies like P&G are even bothering with field testing anymore. Heck, even an internal employee test would be helpful.
Give some reformulated pacs to employees, test them for a few weeks and report back any good or bad findings.
We do internal field testing all the time. It's very informative.

Or are they just reformulating and tossing them out into the market?
 
 
I ran a DD load this morning with a Cascade Platinum pack.  There was considerable sudsing during the prewash.  Much less, although some, during the main wash.  I got a few pics but can't get them out of the camera because I didn't have a memory card inserted and I can't find the mini-USB cable to get them out of on-board memory.

The Platinum didn't clean a tea stain that Boil Out handles nicely.
 
I find the tea stain effectiveness varies.  When I use SmartWash and the load is quite dirty, soil removal is much better.  Main wash  has been clocked at 88 to 90 minutes.  Not sure if target temp is 130 or 140 in those scenarios.  But loads are far better dealt with when I opt for Sani-Rinse.  Main wash is 140+ and final rinse is 153 to 155.  And main wash can still be about 90 minutes. 
 
I'm only dealing with Miele...

I can't tell you how many households I've been in where the only trouble with their dishwasher has been the use of pods. Seriously. The excess detergent causes leakage, heating faults, drainage faults, incomplete rinsing.... In clothes washers, you can add in door lock faults, fill faults, spin faults....

They finally believe me when I run their washer to test it and there are suds in it. "That residue is on the last dishes/clothes you washed in this machine!"

Stop with the pods already! LOL!

Chuck
 
Hi Chuck,

I am NOT a fan of pods either...especially for a dishwasher. You cannot control the dosage. I've had customers that move into a new place and wash clean dishes with a pod, and think there is something wrong with the dishwasher because it oversuds and leaks!!!!!

Hope you and Rich are well....Happy Easter to you both!
 
Pods/Pacs

I find that the Finish Quantum pacs work quite well. That is if they fully dissolve during the wash. Using the new Bosch I find that the Auto or Heavy cycle is required to dissolve the pacs faster. The Normal cycle does not use enough heat in lightly soiled loads for the pac to dissolve fast enough. After I use the next bag of Quantum, I might go back to the Cascade Complete powder mixed with about 20% STPP in volume. I too would buy a Platinum version of Cascade powder. Perhaps a little citric acid and maybe double the enzymes? One good thing about the pacs is that they can combine both powder and liquid ingredients together in one dose, which is kind of an engineering feat.
 
Not really sure why so much hate for pods, for me they just work.  I keep some powdered on had to use with odd or small loads, but never had a suds issue in my new KA, last time I looked mid cycle there was a small amount of suds on top of the puddle of water, certainly nothing I'd worry about.  Got to be the water in your area causing that.
 
"Not really sure why so much hate for pods..."

Because of the excessive foaming issues.

These pods are designed for a full load of dishes, in a full-size machine, with a filthy level of soiling, and hard water to boot.

God help us if we have a half load, a compact machine, light soiling, or soft water... we get excessive amounts of foam generated. Even more so, if several of the above factors come into play.
 
Finally got pictures.

The detergent cup just opened about 5 minutes before. The pack wasn't even dissolved all the way and already this much foam. I'm going to switch back to the powder. That's a good 2.5 inches of foam already from what I can tell. The tub is pretty deep.

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As I have stated I've never had a similar issue.  I'm sure there are other factors in play here, as to the amount and type of water used.  If I remember I'll snap a picture of the little amount of suds I have using pods...
 
Loading a sharp knife with its blade upside would be a sure way to cut my wrist in no time at all. Distracted as I usually am...

That is an impressive amount of foam. Can`t comment on the Cascade Packs, we didn`t have any P&G automatic DW products for a long time in stores, but I`ve always found if a DW detergent tends to be on the sudsy side it also seems to do a superior job for crystal clear glasses.
Guess if it chokes the pump it`s way too much.
 
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