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kacyc1

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I've been looking on store shelves for the past few months to try and find the 'good dishwasher detergent' with phosphates so that I can buy the store out. I finally found some at Big Lots and currently all of their dishwasher detergent is 50% off. Of course I bought 6 boxes and 6 packs of the action packs.... I might go back and buy some more tomorrow....

These new detergents without the phosphates suck! My Maytag/Jenn Air dishwasher told me so...
 
I thought enzymes are what make detergent clean. I just bought some Cascade Complete (it takes me a few months to go through a box) and I just looked and it IS PHOSPHATE free! I didn't even notice that. It seems to clean ok, I haven't noticed any difference.
 
Yes, and "Phosphate-free" SUX!

See the thread here in SUPER about the Phosphated Cascade in an Atlanta Kroger store (Piedmont and Monroe). Maybe if you call them they can ship you some.

I have a large stash of phosphated Finnish. I guess when its gone, I'll just continue to buy Finnish, and mix in STTP for my own blend.
 
Just out of curiosity, purchased some new formula cascade liquid a while back.

I ran a full load in my KitchenAid Custom 21 and the results were terrible. There was grit on everything and food remaining. I never had this trouble with the original powder. Never. Needless to say, I never used the new formula again.

So, I went searching and found some 'institutional' cascade powder with phosphates. As long as I can get it, I will buy the professional powder. I got the big 85 oz boxes so a crate of 6 will last me a good while. The prices were reasonable too.

~Tim
 
When we received our STTP pail, I gave about 1 lb to a friend of ours. They use it with Walmart Great Value DW detergent. They have a TOL Kenmore DW about 5 years old. They used 1 tsp per load.

I heard back from them yesterday about the STTP. They said the stainless steel interior of their DW had become "cloudy" looking. But after running a DW load with STTP mixed in, it looked just like it did when the machine was brand new. Bright and shiny with no white streaks on it.

The dishes also came out much cleaner with baked on substances totally removed.

They also tried the STTP in the laundry. The woman said she had some VERY dirty clothes from her husband working in the yard. The detergent (Cheer) and the STTP got the clothes completely clean, including left over stains from previous washes.

Needless to say, she is in contact with the Chemistry Store.
 
STTP.......I looked at the chemistry store and "searched" under that and got no results. Is this short for sodium tripolyphosphate?

When I use the DW, I always add citric acid in addition to the Cascade......

I don't understand the poor results....I'm getting good results with this........The one and only thing I noticed is that there was a faded red wine stain left on the door of the dishwasher. There was no grit/residue on any dishes.....The water here is hard.
 
Yes, the Sodium Tripolyphospate is the stuff you are looking for. It's commonly referred to as STTP.

Even though it may seem pricey (with shipping), you use so little of it that you will have the bucket forever. They even have a 5 pound bucket that should last you at least 5 years.
 
Isn't the acronym for sodium tripolyphosphate "STPP" not "STTP"? I've seen both acronyms used here by different posters.
 
Eww...

The phosphate ban has hit Sacramento? This is bad news for California.

Last DW detergent I bought were the Cacade gel packs at Costco. These still have phosphate in them. Seemed to me that they still sell the phosphated powder in boxes as well, but next time I'm in there I'll have to check. I have a stash of STPP, so no worries there, but I'd rather not have to add two powders to the dispenser every time I run the DW. In fact, I went to the gel packs because they are so simple and quick to load.

I'm all for saving the environment, but in most of California phosphates are not a problem with water pollution, and a phosphate ban here makes no ecological sense whatsoever.
 
I agree...

...the new phosphate free stuff isn't good...not at all.

My little Kenmore D&M washed great with phosphate detergent. The other day, I was looking at my plastic iced tea tumblers and the ones washed with the phosphate free stuff actually had a brownish hue to them from tea it didn't remove.

Except for in a pinch or with lots of company, I hate to say that my old Rubbermaid dish drainer and my Ajax dishwashing liquid are handling most of my dishes again. :(
 
...the new phosphate free stuff isn't good...not at all.

I had to have a repair on my Kenmore Elite dishwasher for the second time in 6 months and was told to use Cascade powder with phospates then I sprang it on him that next month you will not be able to get the stuff with the phospates and he said that there are going to be problems all over the country because you need the phosphates.This is a pain..So I guess that I will be buying the non phosphate stuff and mixing it with phosphates.How much do you add to a 75 oz box of Cascade?
 
In Arizona, we currently have Cascade with 5.5 phosphates but it seems that Finish is phosphate free. No matter as I add my own STPP. People are complaining about the haze on their glasses.
I give them a sample of Citric Acid to remove the haze, then a sample of STPP and advise them to purchase their own.
It also helps if a water softener is installed.

Ross
 
There will be a LOT of repair calls

from people complaining that their dishwashers don't clean like they used to. In fact, it's already starting. Look at some home repair sites like fixya.com. They have a bunch of people complaining about white streaks on their glasses & plates.

After paying $149.95 for a home service call only to find out its their detergent will tick a lot of people off!
 
I've been using Finish powder last 6 months or so, and everything comes out clean, and I only put about 2 tablespoon in the main cup, nothing in the pre-wash.

glasses comes out spotless, and clear.
 
No white haze here; we have super soft water, but I'm finding myself pre-rinsing again to make sure a load comes out clean. I guess I'll just need to start adding a teaspoon of STPP to the dishwasher as well.
 
The Cascade Gel packs still have about 7% phosphorus in them, which is a good amount. But they are expensive, nearly 50% more expensive per load or more than with the usual powder (I think). Still, I like the gel packs because they are so easy to administer. No pouring of the powder and guessing if it's the right amount or not, and no overflows. The gel packs also clean quite well, IMHO.

I checked our local Costco for the Cascade powder, as well, and it's phosphate free. Darn.

I'll be checking the local Mexican grocery to see if they still have phosphated DW detergent. Last time I checked it also had chlorine bleach, but that was a few years back.

I might have to check out the restaurant supply places as well. A local cash and carry, which carried phosphated laundry detergent, has apparently gone out of business (or changed locations).

I didn't expect the phosphate free fad to hit California shelves so quickly. I would have stocked up more. I have a small stock of powdered Cascade (two extra boxes) and an earlier purchase of the Kirkland dw powder (two more boxes). But the Kirkland stuff smells bad in my Bosch. Might be good in the classic Hobart Kitchenaids, though. I will resist buying any of the Cascade phosphate free powder until everything else runs out...
 

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