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This question is probably best suited for members in England. Has anyone ever met Charles and Camilla?
Right now the royal couple is touring Canada, and according to the Toronto Star newspaper, they are getting very few people to turn out to meet them.
Canada's Governor General, Michaelle Jean, made the mistake of touching Charle's forearm. Sorry about the quality of the picture, but you get the idea. Michaelle Jean is making Camilla look very dowdy.

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According to the Toronto Star, when the royal couple toured the towns of Cupids Newfoundland, 57 people showed up. In Brigus, first stop 17 people, Brigus, second stop, 29.
St John's, 9.

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What happened? Didn't Michelle get schooled on Royal Ettiqite? I am sure "The Palace" is horrified. The Queen is probably rolling her eyes, and Prince Phillip is probably blowing his top!

But IMHO, it is a nice demonstration of friendship. However, I am sure "The Palace" doesn't see it that way?

Didn't Michelle Obama do something similar in the Queen's presence?

And did you all hear that the Queen has relaxed the rule about never turning your back on the queen? You may now turn and leave the room. Her majesty relaxed this after a few people took some falls while backing out of the room.

A few times I have been in the same area as Prince Charles has been, but have never had the opportunity to see him.
The palace usually prints a list of the royals daily schedule where they can been seen each day.
 
The Lizard of Oz

*LOL*

When HM the Queen visited OZ years ago, the then PM made the mistake of touching the royal person, hence the headlines above in British papers the next day.

Also when HM the Queen toured the United States a few years later, a rather large African-American woman whose home for some reason the royal party was visiting bear hugged The Queen. The woman later explained, in response to queries about if things had been explained to her regarding such matters, that she greets EVERYONE who comes into her home the same way.

Much as changed in how persons, especially those outside of England's shores view and treat the monarchy. Even bows and curtsies, have pretty much fallen by the wayside for those of a certian generation.

All in all the British RF has been quite skilled in adapting to a changing world, it is one of the reasons they are still on the throne whilst most of the other European monarchies have been swept into the rubbish bin of time. As those born before and just after WWII die off, leaving a younger and more modern populace, one expects to see more changes.

If one listens carefully, even how HM the Queen speaks has changed from say when she first came to the throne to now.
 
What's so special about Charlie's forearm? Will it break if someone touches it?

A better question is, why should his protocol take precedence over anyone else's? If I choose to greet him in this way, he should be gracious enough to accept it. And actually I bet he is. Have there been any "official" complaints about this?
 
Since Michaelle Jean is the Queen's representative here in Canada, I guess its ok for her to grab anything she wants on the royals.
 
If you've ever done research into where these people came from, it's incredible to me how anyone, let alone an entire nation of otherwise intelligent people, can claim there's something royal about them.

Anyway IMO the phone sex thing put a big dent in this "royal" stuff, and the oral sex scandal finished it off.

Here's one of the very few times Stephen Colbert ever "lost it" during one of the Daily Shows:

http://www.noob.us/humor/the-daily-show-prince-charles-scandal/
 
I'm only anti monarchy when it comes to Canada and want them gone. I have only respectfor the Queen as I can't imagine how a person could possibly endure that lifestyle day in day out over your full life. Having your whole life scheduled and being pulled to and fro from one boring event to another, sometimes several in a day. How many Indian pow-wows has she sat thru, maybe she's off thinking of smething else while they dance who knows.. but I know I couldn't bare to do all that each and every day of my life. Even if I was chauffered to them in a Rolls or Bentley. Imagine having get all dressed up in those outfits and go stand on some parade field in the rain often and watch troops parade around.. boring big time.
Then once a week or month stand in some big hall for hours and hand out medals and knighthoods to old codgers etc. Yuk.. no thanks.. I'll take the money without those responsibilites
 
In all fairness to Charles and Camilla

They are not terribly photogenic and awkward in public. Both lack the poise, dignity and appeal of the Queen. Though, I don't think that they are bad or mean-spirited people. They, too, come with warts and all. Charles isn't half as dull as the media makes him out to be. Unlike his mother, who is a skilled diplomat and never gives much away about her own views on issues, he has put noses out of joint with his bluntness. After all, he is his father's son. All in all, I wouldn't call the Windsor brood the brightest sparks on the feudal firmament.

The House of Windsor Inc. is a tightly run family concern and the Queen a prudent operator. She is old-school, well-respected and works very hard to serve her country and hold together the business. After she goes the concern will probably downsize significantly and be nothing more than fodder for the tabloids. Most younger Brits have had a gut-full of them, consider royalty nothing more than a drain on the public purse and largely irrelevant. In today's world they are an anachronism that doesn't really fit the Zeitgeist. I also don't see Charles' sons as the redeemers of the British monarchy. They are nothing more than a bunch of rich people with media appeal.

Here in Australia only people over 50 still care about the Queen. Public opinion gravitates towards Australia becoming a republic and I estimate that it will happen within the next 20 years.

rapunzel
 
didja notice Williams hair,, he's balding already tut tut

Watched a documentary on Charles, fairly recent and to be honest it was quite interesting. He is interesting, has some very out there views and doesn't really come across as a pompous ass at all.
Phillips the one I like, straight shooter says what he's thinking
 
None of them actually come accross as pompous.

It's all their hangers-on that do. I, too, don't mind Phillip - I've always appreciated people who speak their mind. Margaret, being a bit of a rebel and, unlike most others in her family, beautiful, has always been my favorite royal.
 
Emmanuel Philibert, our virtual future king ...

... as Italy became a republic in 1946. Since then the Savoy lost their royal job. Until 2002 they were so beloved they couldn't even enter italian borders. Anyway this law ceased and now Emanuele, who's an hedge fund raiser, has another part-time job : the Special Guest and the Testimonial. Be a olives commercial, be our "Strictly come dancing", be the death-boring sunday afternoon broadcast, he's always on screen. Let his 99th-grade cousins know ;-)

The pic shows E.P. in the Saclà olives commercial



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There are worse things than having a constitutional monarch serve as the head of state. Hitler, Mussoline, Tojo, Stalin, etc. have shown that very well.

Of course, then there's that troublesome Kaiser Wilhelm.

I also don't think Charles is a bad person. He's just a product of his family and national culture. An anachronism in the modern world, perhaps.

I wonder how long the British monarchy will last. I recall the well done BBC series, "To Play the King", which exposed the Achilles heel of the modern British monarch. QE has played her role very well, probably because she's well aware that despite the monarchical titles and properties, she still serves at the pleasure of her people.
 
Kaiser Wilhelm...

wasn't all that troublesome, at least not until the shooting of crown prince Franz Ferdinand. The Kaiser had to honor his alliance with Austria, just like the USA is expected honor it's alliances. The British and French governments played their part in allowing things to escalate out of control, just as they had a hand in setting up the conditions that ultimately allowed Hitler to seize power. None of them were completely innocent bystanders, all of them were hoping to gain something for themselves and, as is always the case, millions of innocent people paid the ultimat price.
 
I don't know if any of you read Noam Chomsky, but he's written some excellent books on the history of propaganda since the late 19th Century.

The British propaganda campaign for WWI was stunningly successful. In the U.S. it whipped up massive and rabid anti-German sentiment, quite literally out of thin air.

This same propaganda model was used by the Third Reich in WWII, and it's been used ever since, even by the U.S. government in the "Iraq War" (it was an invasion, not a war).
 
"viva Verdi !!"

Dear Joseph, can't rest in his grave ...
"Viva Verdi" meant "free from Austrians !!" Verdi was the soundtrack of patriots during our first indipendence war :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Days_of_Milan

Today a northern separatist party uses Verdi's music with a political meaning :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Va,_pensiero

I' m native from northern italy as these moroons and i normally i respect other ideas/ideals, BUT :

- as we are making Europe, separatism is a nonsense

- can't stand their rage and memory lack.
Rage against southern italians, rage against immigrants ..
.... they don't remember those times when EVEN many northern italians, expecially from mountains, had to leave their dear native land and go abroad to work.
They don't remember what means to be an immigrant.
Those old times when in some places one could read "DOGS AND ITALIANS NOT ALLOWED" ....
 
Well I'm glad to see the Philibert family doing "Dance With The Stars", instead of firing canons at people who're protesting the price of bread.
 
Emmanuel Philibert

His father was charged with murder, was he not? I got the impression that the father is a Mafia-like hoodlum. Emmanuel Philibert seems less connected to crime, though his marriage before 2000 persons in a Roman basilica to his seven-months-pregnant bride turned a few heads here (the pregnancy was no big deal, but why would the Vatican sanction a nuptial mass or wedding ceremony in a basilica? meawhile in USA they are covering up for sex offender priests)
 
Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia, E.P. dad

"Sovereign" in italian is "Sovrano" ... not Sopranos *LOL*
He is Prince of Naples, but he has nothing to do with mafia and camorra

Despite of murder charge, gambling and beaches affairs (swap "ea" with "it"), he isn't a mafious, Soprano-like guy at all. Being his mother a Belgian princess, his french accent makes he speak like Pink Panter's inspector Closeau :-)

Anyway Jim, about Dirk Hamer's murder you're right :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittorio_Emanuele,_Prince_of_Naples

Perhaps he does seem a man who never used to think twice before opening his mouth or before doing something.

About antisemitism : maybe he forgot his aunt Princess Mafalda (last italian king's sister) died in Buchenwald concentration camp :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Mafalda_of_Savoy
 
Australia and the monarchy

Rapunzel,
I tend to think you are right about public opinion,although I am 45 and am not a great supporter of republicanism, I tend to think the current government structures seem to work reasonably well,(although not without flaws.),funny this came up did you know that last Friday was the 10th anniversary of the republic referendum in 1999?
Imho our Governors-General and State Governors have served us quite well and have carried out their tasks without too much controversy, apart from Sir John Kerr and Sir Philip Game I suppose, however I feel they were both in impossible positions and no matter what they did in respect to the constitutional crises they faced, they were going to be loved by some and hated for all time by others.
I voted against the republic referendum in 1999, because as far as I was concerned it was too vague and I contacted the Australian Republican Movement before it was on and asked what I thought was a rather simple question, if the referedum passes and the Queen and Governor-General are replaced by an appointed President,what becomes of the State Governors?,guess what they didn't know, I was simply told that they will be sorted out later on??????,sorry not enough detail for me.
In my view instead of worrying about who sits at the top of the tree, we should be exploring ways of restoring the Parliament to what it was meant to be, a national(and state),debating chamber which exercises proper control over the executive government, as opposed to now where it is just a rubber stamp for the executive.
If there is another debate later on ,I hope these type of issues are raised and debated thoroughly instead of simple republicanism vs monarchy.
I also believe the vast majority of the public who do support republicanism wnat an elected President, whereas the political figures here prefer and appointed President and this is another reason why th referendum was defeated.
 
You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comm

The closest I ever got to Queen Elizabeth was when her huge yacht (about the size of a destroyer) visited San Francisco in the early 1980's. I got in some fuzzy telephoto camera shots in from the SF bluffs overlooking the entrance to the Gate. What with the escort ships it was a fairly impressive affair.

As far as Australia is concerned, it does make some sense that the President - who would be the head of state but little else - would be appointed by the parliament rather than elected at large. It would help keep his/her representations to the world more in line with the majority in the legislature. Just my opinion, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Play_the_King
 
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