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Kaiser Wilhelm...

wasn't all that troublesome, at least not until the shooting of crown prince Franz Ferdinand. The Kaiser had to honor his alliance with Austria, just like the USA is expected honor it's alliances. The British and French governments played their part in allowing things to escalate out of control, just as they had a hand in setting up the conditions that ultimately allowed Hitler to seize power. None of them were completely innocent bystanders, all of them were hoping to gain something for themselves and, as is always the case, millions of innocent people paid the ultimat price.
 
I don't know if any of you read Noam Chomsky, but he's written some excellent books on the history of propaganda since the late 19th Century.

The British propaganda campaign for WWI was stunningly successful. In the U.S. it whipped up massive and rabid anti-German sentiment, quite literally out of thin air.

This same propaganda model was used by the Third Reich in WWII, and it's been used ever since, even by the U.S. government in the "Iraq War" (it was an invasion, not a war).
 
"viva Verdi !!"

Dear Joseph, can't rest in his grave ...
"Viva Verdi" meant "free from Austrians !!" Verdi was the soundtrack of patriots during our first indipendence war :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Days_of_Milan

Today a northern separatist party uses Verdi's music with a political meaning :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Va,_pensiero

I' m native from northern italy as these moroons and i normally i respect other ideas/ideals, BUT :

- as we are making Europe, separatism is a nonsense

- can't stand their rage and memory lack.
Rage against southern italians, rage against immigrants ..
.... they don't remember those times when EVEN many northern italians, expecially from mountains, had to leave their dear native land and go abroad to work.
They don't remember what means to be an immigrant.
Those old times when in some places one could read "DOGS AND ITALIANS NOT ALLOWED" ....
 
Well I'm glad to see the Philibert family doing "Dance With The Stars", instead of firing canons at people who're protesting the price of bread.
 
Emmanuel Philibert

His father was charged with murder, was he not? I got the impression that the father is a Mafia-like hoodlum. Emmanuel Philibert seems less connected to crime, though his marriage before 2000 persons in a Roman basilica to his seven-months-pregnant bride turned a few heads here (the pregnancy was no big deal, but why would the Vatican sanction a nuptial mass or wedding ceremony in a basilica? meawhile in USA they are covering up for sex offender priests)
 
Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia, E.P. dad

"Sovereign" in italian is "Sovrano" ... not Sopranos *LOL*
He is Prince of Naples, but he has nothing to do with mafia and camorra

Despite of murder charge, gambling and beaches affairs (swap "ea" with "it"), he isn't a mafious, Soprano-like guy at all. Being his mother a Belgian princess, his french accent makes he speak like Pink Panter's inspector Closeau :-)

Anyway Jim, about Dirk Hamer's murder you're right :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittorio_Emanuele,_Prince_of_Naples

Perhaps he does seem a man who never used to think twice before opening his mouth or before doing something.

About antisemitism : maybe he forgot his aunt Princess Mafalda (last italian king's sister) died in Buchenwald concentration camp :

 
Australia and the monarchy

Rapunzel,
I tend to think you are right about public opinion,although I am 45 and am not a great supporter of republicanism, I tend to think the current government structures seem to work reasonably well,(although not without flaws.),funny this came up did you know that last Friday was the 10th anniversary of the republic referendum in 1999?
Imho our Governors-General and State Governors have served us quite well and have carried out their tasks without too much controversy, apart from Sir John Kerr and Sir Philip Game I suppose, however I feel they were both in impossible positions and no matter what they did in respect to the constitutional crises they faced, they were going to be loved by some and hated for all time by others.
I voted against the republic referendum in 1999, because as far as I was concerned it was too vague and I contacted the Australian Republican Movement before it was on and asked what I thought was a rather simple question, if the referedum passes and the Queen and Governor-General are replaced by an appointed President,what becomes of the State Governors?,guess what they didn't know, I was simply told that they will be sorted out later on??????,sorry not enough detail for me.
In my view instead of worrying about who sits at the top of the tree, we should be exploring ways of restoring the Parliament to what it was meant to be, a national(and state),debating chamber which exercises proper control over the executive government, as opposed to now where it is just a rubber stamp for the executive.
If there is another debate later on ,I hope these type of issues are raised and debated thoroughly instead of simple republicanism vs monarchy.
I also believe the vast majority of the public who do support republicanism wnat an elected President, whereas the political figures here prefer and appointed President and this is another reason why th referendum was defeated.
 
You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comm

The closest I ever got to Queen Elizabeth was when her huge yacht (about the size of a destroyer) visited San Francisco in the early 1980's. I got in some fuzzy telephoto camera shots in from the SF bluffs overlooking the entrance to the Gate. What with the escort ships it was a fairly impressive affair.

As far as Australia is concerned, it does make some sense that the President - who would be the head of state but little else - would be appointed by the parliament rather than elected at large. It would help keep his/her representations to the world more in line with the majority in the legislature. Just my opinion, though.

 

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