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Both are very good washers. I have the 8 series and then bought a 9 series control board to essentially make it a 9 series. It cleans amazing! I would get the awn432sp113cw04. Same internals with manual controls. You will love it.
 
awn432sp113cw04

I would get this! I did not know you could still find a awn432sp113cw04. It has more water level selections and mechanical controls. The TC5 replaced it, but I would rather have this older model. Great find :-)
 
Speed Queen , GE and LG are the brands that I would like to recommend. To the certain models, I recommend Speed Queen awn432sp113cw04 , LG 3900 series, and GE GTW485BMMWS

Of course, there are still so many other brands and models to choose from, you may need to do some more deeper research before you make the decision. sansang, maytag, whirlpool also have some great energy star washers.

You need to consider these factors:
ENERGY STAR® certified,The more efficient the unit and the less water it uses, the higher its tier.

Capacity: Is your family growing? Will children be growing up and moving out? For reference, a 4.5 cubic feet washer fits 25 to 30 bath towels (depending on towel thickness and weight).

Space: How much space do you have for a washer and dryer? In addition to the units themselves, you need room to open the doors completely. There are stackable and combination washer/dryer options available. If you had a top-load and are considering a front-load, make sure your space has clearance for the door to open fully.

Laundry Habits and Cleaning Challenges: Do you add items after the wash cycle starts? Do you leave clothes in the washer for a few hours after the cycle ends?

Sound Dampening: A quiet machine is essential if it’s near a living or sleeping area.

resource credit: https://www.healthyarea.org/reviews-top-front-load-washer/
 
After doing some more research on washer reliability, no easy task these days, ( Consumer Report is using industry reviews I noticed and the other retailer reviews are worthless) I found some info from Yale Appliance out of the Boston area. These numbers are based on models they sell and they service. Speed Queen is not very reliable according to them. It seems a basic Whirlpool model is the most reliable choice, although the reviews on those is not all that encouraging either.

 
I’ve owned my speed queen for two years, so I can’t say much on reliability or customer service, because I haven’t had a problem. I can say it’s built like a tank. I do at least one full load a day and on days that I wash bedding, I do at least 5 loads of heavy queen and twin size comforters one after the other. The motor laughs and asks if that’s all I got.

Here is a good video to see how well they are built.
 
Maytag commercial

I have all but given up on the Speed Queen model mentioned above. The company in Canada seems to be in a state of chaos. The Speed Queen name has been dropped, again, and is now the old Huebsch name here. There are a few of the TR series and maybe a TC series somewhere but the warranty is for only 3 years, not 10. The Maytag vmwp 575 seems to be everywhere and at exactly the same price, $1399 Cdn. It has a 5 year bumper to bumper and a further 5 year on the motor and drum for a total of 10. It's a lot of money compared to the other agitator models or the LG, but I just don't trust the durability of those machines. I also try to avoid stuff from Asia, they just don't seem to care once the product is sold. Maytag has done right by me over a fridge a couple of years ago. Any input would be appreciated.
 
For Rosie about MT575. Warning. Long. Others should skip.

Rosie,

I have owned the Maytag mvwp575gw for about 18 months now. I believe it is the best top load in terms of cleaning performance. Period. Not only do the tub and agitator move separately, but the top and bottom of the agitator move independently too (dual agitator). This creates a wash action that moves the clothes around AND through the water—not just a side to side motion.

This review is a good comparison between SQ TC5 and the Maytag mvwp575gw: . I would like to add a few comments of my own.

This MT575 owner's manual (which looks like it is written for more than one model) states, "Normal, Warm, and Hot water may be cooler than your previous washer. Deep Water cycles will provide higher temperatures for the wash cycle." I have not had any issues with the main cycle water temperatures. I seem to have hot tap for the main cycles with my water heater set at the recommended 120 degrees F. The temperature for warm, cool, and cold can be made a little warmer by starting the wash cycle with hot and then turning back to the desired temperature for the remainder of the fill. I am not sure what the ratio of hot to cold is for those settings, and the final temperature is determined by your water heater settings and temperature of your incoming cold-water supply. The washer alternates back and forth either filling with Hot OR cold but not both at the same time.

The initial reviews I saw suggested this washer's max hot temperature was a mere 90 degrees. Based on this information, I had my washer setup a different way in the beginning, so I could manually control the temperature for main and the normal "eco" cycles. I am not getting these same results. I do not know what role the thermistor plays in this washer, but I seem to have tap hot for the main cycles. I tried to go back and correct any comments I made where I could. With this said, I do not know if this is everyone's experience.

The single biggest remaining quirk I have with the MT575 is the ONLY half tub wash cycle IS temperature controlled. There is no way around this that works ALL year that I can find. If you set the water temperature to hot, the water is only lukewarm. This works cycle works well for most loads I do, and the hot setting is warm enough to dissolve detergent. For a true hot load, I have a workaround. Watch this video: .

If you do not want a spray rinse for a Normal half load, just run another wash cycle with no detergent. However, this spray rinse works surprisingly well. I love this cycle for quick loads!

If I were to compare the SQ TC5, this is what I would consider.

Plus for the MT575. The cycles on the Maytag are what you would expect. Delicates, Bulky, Mixed, Powerwash, and Normal "Eco". Some of the cycles on the SQ TC5 are not what I would expect. Delicates is almost like a handwash cycle. Bulky is more like Delicates. Knowing this up front, will help you select the cycle that will work for your needs.

Plus for the SQ TC5. The TC5 does not have Automatic Temperature control. No extra sensor to break. Fills with hot, cold, or a mix.

Plus for the MT575. The automatic temperature control (ATC) can add some hot water to cool and cold-water washes to keep it from being too cold.

The rinses on both washers are tap cold.

VMD. The vertical modular design does not seem as durable. Critics do not like that it uses a mode shifter and a gear case (Maytag calls this a transmission, but I guess it is not a "real transmission"?). However, this is the reason the tub and agitator can move separately. It is inexpensive and easy for most consumers to replace themselves. I do think I will probably have to replace the plastic parts and a belt before the washer is ten years old, but this washer is 20 to 25% less for me. I am going to take an educated guess and say the TC5 will probably just need a belt in this same time period.

Both washers have control boards behind the knobs. The TC5 also has a control board for the motor. I think that the SQ's are probably better built, but that the MT parts will be less expensive and easier for me to find and replace later—it shares the same parts with several of their real commercial products. The TC5 seems like it is a time-limited model. SQ reinforces this by continuing to promote the TR series in its ads, programs where it provides free washers to schools, or to testers at a discount/no charge in exchange for a review. SQ also has been known to pull negative reviews and blacklist sellers with honest reviews. The only incentive MT provides is a chance to be entered into a sweepstakes. I have not heard of them doing the same.

The TC5 does have better suspension (springs attach to the bottom) whereas it the MT575 has hung suspension. You can see that here: . I have not had any issue balancing loads in the MT575. I wash like items with like items: A load may be 6 or 7 jeans OR 28 t-shirts OR business casual (5 pants and 5 shirts) OR 6-7 towels OR sheets, etc. If you want to wash bed pillows or pet beds, you may have more of an issue with the MT575 because the weight will be different on each side of the tub, and it will not handle it as well as the TC5's design. The items should really be washed in a front load or taken to a commercial laundry mat.

MT offers a five years parts and labor warranty. There is an additional warranty (10 years total on the motor).

SQ normally offers a three-year parts and labor warranty. There is an additional parts-only warranty on the transmission (15 years total).

SQ says their washers will last twenty-five years. However, most washers will require at least a rebuild and the bearings/seals to be replaced around 15 years. As an average consumer, I do not have access to those parts at cost or have the experience, skill, and strength needed to replace those--I am an extra small adult. While I think I the SQ will require less minor repairs and will run a little longer without major repairs, I do not believe the average consumer would get more than 15 years out it. I expect to get about ten years out of the MT (maybe more because I use the washer like you are supposed to not overloading it and washing stuff in it that is was intended for).

GE has some dual agitator models with direct drive, but I have seen this only for their touchpad models. I am of the opinion that knobs even with a control board behind them will probably last longer than a touch pad on these models. Control boards are usually more expensive than a gearcase for the MT.

I have spent a lot of time reading reviews, posts on boards, etc. They have good information based on experience based on the perspective of someone who sells or repairs appliances for a living. What is not so obvious is many of the people have access to parts at a discount, can fix the major repairs washers themselves, and trade out washers on a regular basis. I am just a typical consumer. I plan to use my washer until it dies, can do minor repairs myself (this does NOT include rebuilding transmissions or replacing bearings/seals which is cost prohibitive for me to pay someone else and may not be physically possible for me given my small size), and wash several different types of clothing (towels, outdoor wear, sports uniforms, technical trade uniforms, kids' clothing, pet stuff).

I think either washer is a good choice. The SQ has the overall edge for durability with good cleaning performance. The MT has the overall edge for cleaning performance with average durability. No washer today is like your Grandma's thanks to the government new energy regulations--gone are the tried and true mechanical washers with a real metal transmission.
 
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Goodness, that was very informative. Speed Queen, now Huebsch in Canada, is out of the running. No suppliers, no service within 100 km. The Maytag is available at every retailer that sells Whirlpool. Home Depot, Rona, Leons, Canadian Appliance, Lowes, and the small independent stores. All near by. Sadly the price is fixed at $1399 Cdn. which is steep. I think it sold in the US for $799 which is $1053 Cdn. I asked Maytag why the discrepancy, what with free trade and all, no reply. The Koreans don't do that but the US appliance makers always charge way above the American price to Canadians. Thanks for the information. I'm still looking.
 
I’m not a fan of the suspension and the lack of options. It’s built well other than that. From reviews it cleans good. If you want to go old school and can’t go speed queen it’s the closest you can get to old school washing.
 
Speed Queen is not a choice.

Rosie says Speed Queen is not a choice. "Speed Queen, now Huebsch in Canada, is out of the running. No suppliers, no service within 100 km."

The old mechanical model with transmission or the TC5 are the only models I would consider.

Due to price, Maytag doesn't look like a choice either, but I tried to show her what the differences were. The mvwp575gw I have seems to be better made. It is the ONLY Maytag top load I would consider. The ones at the big box stores have too many other quirks and do not have the part upgrades the MT575 got. I have no clue what Maytag was thinking by only providing ONE half tub option that is temperature controlled to lukewarm by default, but it actually works well on regular clothes and a quick wash. I just would not use it for true delicates. For the occasional hot load, I'll use my extra hose. However, it looks like it may have some competition now.

The only other top load that comes close (in my opinion) is this GE one. Kirk did a review on it: . It has the dual agitator and a direct drive. It fills with enough water and seems to have more options. It still has the hung suspension. The touch pad concerns me. Really concerns me. For that reason and the extra four year warranty MT has, the MT keeps the lead. YouTube videos suggest this touch pad on similar models could be an issue. However, the GE washer would cost me $150 less than the Maytag. Where Rosie lives, it could be a bigger difference. It says one-year limited warranty for parts and labor. Most lemons would show up in that time. The 10-yr is parts only for motor. I could not find a direct drive option for the knob version.

Honestly, if I get a year out of a machine at least I have come out ahead on what I would spend at the laundry mat. Sad but this is what the DOE regulations have come down too. SQ is NOT a choice for everyone.

If neither of these top loads would work, I would reconsider front loads.
 
The GTW725 does not appear to be available in Canada, at least yet.The GTW750, not the same washer, is $1449.
I don't like LG/Samsung products. I had a Samsung fridge that lasted 3 years, no support. Family members have had LG and they were burned as well. LG/Samsung dump their products over here and take losses to build market. It worked because they dominate many consumer appliance markets now. You can still buy Panasonic televisions here but if you look at the ratings outfits, like CR and Wirecutter, they place LG/Samsung in the top for damn near everything. The video reviewers on Youtube rarely test out Whirlpool or Electrolux products and when you do see one it's a cheap model they are surprised works or an expensive model that the fan boys rave about. These video reviewers have a vested interest in showing only what they sell. I would buy a Whirlpool front load but there is no info about them. The products are not seriously reviewed. You can't go by the big box reviews, half of them were promotional. Even CR customer reviews are using big box reviews now. North America has no reliable source for unbiased information on the products consumers are spending big money on. No real world test reviews. No durability reviews. That's just sad. Rant off.
 

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