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So, due to new regulations meant to limit cooking oil ignition on traditional coil element surface burners, new ranges sold in the U.S. must have temperature limiting capabilities. The new limiting burners have been coming out throughout the last year and it seems that now they are on sales floors for all major brands. The manufacturers are coming at this in different ways, but so far, all of them that we have seen are increasing cooking times, especially when boiling water.

Mostly I just wanted to start a thread and see if anyone has had experience with owning or selling these ranges, as well as feedback on the slower elements.
 
This sure sounds like a very poor idea to me. What about gas burners? Are they going to also restrict the amount of gas flow to keep the flame smaller? And anyway, you would stll have an open flame that could ignite any spilled oil.

This is just entirely too much regulation. Are people so stupid now that they can’t be trusted with an electric burner capable of reaching the proper temperature for deep fat frying? And even a slower heating burner will eventually get hot enough to ignite oil if left unattended.

I hope replacement burners that aren’t limited will still be available, because I’m hanging on to my BOL GE stove.

Eddie
 
This was mentioned a couple weeks ago in a different thread. Cant remember who commented that the temperature limit of the burners were not low enough to cause a problem with normal cooking. I know in the case of GE they have resurrected the term Sensi-Temp and the limiting sensor is in the center of the coil. With that said would it be possible to replace the new style coils with those still available for older models?
 
I was just thinking the same thing!

My landlord just "gave" me a new stove.  I have tiny little 550 sq. ft. apartment and had a 40 year old GE 20" stove.  Oven was superb, top worn out.  I had no simmer and of course, all the burners "reached for the sky."  SO after looking and giving the landlord my recommendations, they gave me an new Amana 20" stove.  Oven works well despite being 50 degree's cold.   Oven thermometer each time!  But the top is FAB!  It has NO limiter's!  I mean it!  No clicking, no up and down and more than anything true what  I dial!  High stays high forever, medium is steady and low is low all the time!  Made in Mexico of course, but I'm impressed!  I cook nightly as I do not eat out!  While of course I'd like 2 8" burners, this is far superior to the old GE!  I do augment this with a great Max Burton induction burner when needed!  

P.S.  It even has an oven window and light!

Greg

 
 
Re: Reply #6

Greg, look in the owners manual if you have it, or look online for your stoves model number’s manual. You should find the directions to adjust the oven control to make the oven temp heat 50 degrees higher. Then you won’t need to us an oven thermometer when you bake anymore. I’ve done this with both conventional dial oven controls and electronic controls and its pretty easy to do.

Eddie
 
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For now, regular replacement burners will be available to change out the burners with the limiters. As a dealer, we're hard pressed to figure out how to pitch this to customers. Just replacing the burners outright would put us in line for possible liability if there were a fire. Suggesting to customers on the sales floor to buy different burners and replace them themselves is hardly a good way to close a sale.
 
Hey Eddie!

Been through the "leaflet" numerous times and it says that that the thermostat is not user serviceable!  Taken the dial off to see if like the old GE I could adjust...no!  So I use a oven thermo...set at 425 ...gets me 350 or, spend about 15 minutes fine tuning to get exactly what I want.  

I'm not sure my landlord will OK a service call for this and I don't want to risk it!  If I use the "big" oven over my KA toaster oven once a week, it's OK.  I've done my Christmas baking and I'm house sitting over the holiday getting to use a new KA "pro" range.   Rib roast and popovers on the menu!  Wilmington's a short drive away!  Right?

Merry Christmas!

Greg

Been there, looked and looked an
 
I seem to remember this was one of the selling points of solid element burners. They had a thermostat that would limit the maximum temperature to prevent fires.

Also remember a couple of years ago seeing Brown ranges (the ultra-cheap range people) offering some feature on their ranges to prevent cooking fires.
 
Re: Reply #10

Greg, when you pull off the oven control knob, on the back of it are there 2 screws that you can loosen and move the inside of the knob either in a plus or minus direction? Thats the way my GE oven control can be adjusted. I looked on line for the only Amana 20” electric range manual I could find, and I didn’t see this info. But you could try going to the Amana website and see if maybe with the modle number you can find some more detailed info.

It sounds like you’ve found a way to adapt to this OK, but it would be nice if you could get it “just right”. I know you wouldn’t be a member here if this didn’t bother you. We here always want our appliances to function just the way they are supposed to.

Good luck, I hope that this has helped. Another thought, you may be able to find a generic replacement knob that fits and would allow you to make this incremental adjustment to the back of the knob.

Eddie
 
If the stove is new, tell the landlord to call the manufacturer or call them yourself, it should still be under warranty, right? Why let it bother you when they are supposed to fix it for free? (Although, to be honest, there's a small risk they'll make it worse, in which case you may have to call again.)

Good Luck!
 
I'm thinking about the chaos that will result from defeating this practice!

 

Gas ranges? I hope they will leave my nice, flaming blue ring alone...

 

Well, they can't over-regulate a Cal Rod, a Chromolox, or a Radiantube...

 

 

 

-- Dave
 
I can't imagine the limiting thermostat ever altering time to boil water. The key with any electric surface element is having something to pull the generated heat out of the element, a pot of water will never get over 212F. They would never set the thermostat operating point under 450F or so. My hunch is that people are imagining things (or using an improper pot) if they think time to boil is increased.

If you want to see water boil slowly, use a typical residential gas range. Same applies for those that like kitchen fires which are increased by having an actual ignition source.
 
I’m not sure how they’d implement any such feature on a gas range unless they put a thermistor up in the center of the burner like those old Caloric fry burners. Tbh it doesn’t even make sense to me, do electric coil burners currently just run uncontrolled or something? I thought they’d cycle even on the high setting.
 
 

 

Hmm, whenever have to replace my range, I guess I'll just have to pony up for a Thermador with the 15K or 18K BTU burners, or a Viking with the 23K BTU burners! 
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