Cold water washing has arrived

[jetcone]

Having developed my own detergent; Rosalie's Zero Suds; and always recommended hot or warm wash I was gobsmacked to try New Tide Professional.
The claim is professional stains gone in 1 wash in COLD.

Now normally I would brush this off, but I know P&G have been in the lab these last two years trying to build cold water surfactants and 3 of the chemicals I have been following along are now in this product.

Lets see what it can do shall we ??

 

[jetcone]

I decided

too go right in the heart of the matter !

Kitchen Towels and Napkins a week old. Yes that is spaghetti sauce on those week old napkins and 2 week old bath towel with live hand grudge on it.

Take a peek I ve tried to post them before and after order
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[jetcone]

I was pretty impressed

There was no grease on the kitchen towels all the hand grunge was gone on the bath towel.

Yes I said no grease ! That was one of the chemicals they were developing and I gotta say it works !

The towel came out as white as the 1957 Turnpike Cruiser !

Next I did a complete mixed load, jeans white items, black items. Everything came out great no dye transfer at all !

Yes those are tight whiteys with zero skid marks !!!

AND I like the scent its almost 60s ish !

 

[qsd-dan]

What was the incoming temp of the water?

Will this still function well in warm and hot water temps or will the enzymes be destroyed?

I tried a small bottle of liquid Coldwater Tide about 10 years ago and got horrible results in warm (120F) and hot (160F) water temps. It did work fine in 85F though. An interesting experiment but I never purchased it again.

I am rather surprised that P&G put a significant amount of money and effort into a powdered detergent. I assumed it was on its way out and liquids would take over the throne for good.

 

[combo52]

Impressive results with Coldwater washing

But I’m gonna declare immediately that you cheated by using a lady Kenmore combination, washer dryer, arguably the best vintage washing machine ever made.

Get yourself an old Maytag top loader and then try this test, maybe Dan will do it for us.

John

 

[frigilux]

Interesting! I wonder how it will do when the water is 43-45 degrees during a typical Minnesota winter. I loved Rosalie Zero Suds, by the way. It was my go-to for loads of heavy bath towels, etc. I rationed it as long as I could.

 

[appnut]

John, you beat me to it. I too was going to mention the Kenmore Roto Spray washing action of the Kenmore Combination washer/dryer. Dirt doesn't stand a chance in that washer.

Also, try with Tide Ultra Oxi HE Powder.

 

[launderess]

Tide Professional and Tide "Pro-Line" have been flogging cold water washing for some time now.

Meant for commercial, institutional or OPL laundries idea is savings on energy and wear on textiles by using cold water but without sacrificing results. Latter is important for hospitality and catering linens where things are expected not just to be clean, but "pop" as part of presentation.

https://pgpro.com/en-us/brands/tide-professional/coldwater-laundry-detergent

https://pgpro.com/en-us/brands/tide-professional/tide-coldwater-system

https://www.americanhotel.com/pg-pr...ent-concentrate-closed-loop-15-gal-/p/1114779

P&G tests these versions of Tide in cold water temp of 90 degrees F. This would be between 35 to about hair under 40 degrees C.

There is an oxygen bleach version as well: https://www.amazon.ca/Tide-Professional-Powder-Detergent-Laundry/dp/B0839N3XB7

 

[launderess]

"I tried a small bottle of liquid Coldwater Tide about 10 years ago and got horrible results in warm (120F) and hot (160F) water temps. It did work fine in 85F though. An interesting experiment but I never purchased it again."

Also have a bottle of Tide "Coldwater" of old (Free and Clear).

Recall from reading in press and online P&G formulated Tide cold water versions to work best in just that, cold water temps of about 86F to 90F. Higher wash water temps actually decrease performance as enzymes and everything about said product was formulated for lower temperatures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/business/cold-water-detergents-get-a-chilly-reception.html

Those of us old enough to remember will recall laundry detergent packets advised using slightly more product when washing in cold water. P&G cracked that in as Tide Coldwater is slightly more concentrated than it's warmer water cousins.

Consumer Reports rated Tide CW highly at the time. But they also noted Tide "free and gentle" along with a few other versions worked equally well in warm water.

Since Tide CW is meant for 90 degrees or so F, difference between using warm water (100-105F) would be minimal in terms of energy use I shouldn't wonder.

In contrast Tide, Henkel, Unilever and others who sell detergents in Europe have products that work at 20 or 30 degrees C.
https://www.ariel.co.uk/en-gb/how-to-wash/how-to-do-laundry/cold-water-wash-guide

Japan of course in common with some other Asian nations is famous for doing laundry in largely cold water only. Things do come out of wash clean, but all over Japan and elsewhere there is a vast selection of disinfectants and other products designed to cope with foul smelling washing machines.

 

[powerfin64]

Where did you purchase this at? Im interested!

 

[qsd-dan]

"I wonder how it will do when the water is 43-45 degrees during a typical Minnesota winter."

I don't think any detergent is going to provide even mediocre results at those temps. A tempering valve is your best friend in that situation, definitely worth the investment if one uses a front loader without a heater or just about any top loader.

According to the links that Launderess posted, "cold" water needs to be least 90F for this detergent to function properly. How many in the US are feeding 90F to their washer, either top or front load, for their cold water washes? Better yet, how many users are feeding at least 75F to their washer, which is the bare minimum requirement for most detergents to work correctly?

"Recall from reading in press and online P&G formulated Tide cold water versions to work best in just that, cold water temps of about 86F to 90F. Higher wash water temps actually decrease performance as enzymes and everything about said product was formulated for lower temperatures."

Yeah, got schooled with that one. Would have never expected worse results with hotter water but it indeed held true to its warnings.

 

[mark_wpduet]

That's pretty crazy results.... Remember the Cold Power detergent from a long time ago? Was that for cold water washing also? I'm imagining it was. I remember my grandma using it but she always washed almost everything in warm wash/cold rinse in her GM Frigidaire.

The water here is frigid in the winter too.. I wonder if my duet would mix with warm to give the cold a certain temp or if it just comes straight from the tap into the drum. Honestly, I have no clue.

P&G definitely probably has the most LAB testing hours over any other brand...

Isn't Tide one of the items on the list of items being stoplifted?

 

[tomturbomatic]

So based on the last sentence in Launderess's post above this one, in Japan, they get good cleaning results with this type of product, but poor sanitizing. Gross. My front loaders smell as fresh and clean as when they were new and so does the laundry coming out of them, but at least we know why there are so many ads for deodorizing clothes and washing machines. What a blessing to know how to do laundry properly.

 

[launderess]

Japanese laundry product market has detergents with both chlorine and oxygen bleaching systems. Latter is often "activated" just like Tide with Bleach or Persil. These products are designed to work in cold water.

https://lifeabroad.jp/html/daily_life/laundry.html

Indeed laundry product makers seemed to have cracked every niche of market.

"Attack Strong Deodorizer"

"Extra-strength deodorizing laundry detergent that removes urine odours (from bedding and clothing of children and adults experiencing incontinence) and other strong odours and stains. Also removes yellow stains. 2 rinses recommended. Safe for use on all machine-washable fabrics. Can also be used to wash the inside of your washing machine. Contains optical brighteners to make whites look whiter. Safe for use on fabric of all colours. Does not contain bleach."

Top loading washing machines of all sorts are popular in Japan and much if Asia. Problem is these machines don't have heaters and washers are plumbed to cold water connection only. There are ways around, but there you have it.

There are also detergents meant for laundry that is to be dried indoors.

http://www.survivingnjapan.com/2011/11/guide-to-laundry-detergent-in-japan.html

https://www.2hugeinjapan.com/doing-laundry-in-japan-part-1-laundry-products/





In Korea Clorox bleach is "LAX". It's no match however for often grotty washing machines fouled by cold water use only.

 

[tomturbomatic]

Cold Water Wash in Kenmore Combo

Since a cold water fill limits the wash time to 4 minutes, did you reset the timer dial to get the full wash period after the cold fill or did you do a warm fill into a cold machine to get an 8 minute wash in cool water?

 

[launderess]

"I wonder how it will do when the water is 43-45 degrees during a typical Minnesota winter."

Tempering valves have been common on industrial/commercial washing machines going back to early part of prior century. Domestic washing machines had them early as 1940's or 1950's IIRC.

One would hope any washing machine worth its salt would have some way to temper cold water wash fills so things aren't what comes out of tap. Well at least for those who live in areas where tap water routinely drops to very low temps for good part of year.

In Germany and other parts of Europe "Cold and Short" has become new mantra on wash day.

"With regard to the washing temperature, the researchers found that the discoloration of the textiles increases between 20 and 40 degrees more than between 40 and 60 degrees. In some of the T-shirts examined, more than twice as much color was lost after 16 washes (85 minutes at 40 degrees) as with 16 short washes (30 minutes) at 25 degrees, as the researchers report in the journal "Dyes and Pigments". The loss of colour is therefore greater with cotton than with polyester."

https://www.chip.de/news/Schont-Wae...-kurz-und-kalt-waschen-sollten_179959911.html

P&G's Ariel wins high marks for washing in 20 degrees C water.

https://www.srf.ch/sendungen/kassen...-dreckige-waesche-waschkraft-test-bei-20-grad

 

[launderess]

Bringing this back on home.

It may seem counter intuitive but powder detergents in many instances are better in cold water washing than liquids.

In Europe where laundry detergent powders are still common they best most liquid format products. Powders are simply better at whiteness, overall stain removal, keeping soils from redepositing on fabrics...



Tide "Professional" like TWB contains oxygen bleach and an activator.

https://pgpro.com/en-us/brands/tide-professional/powder-detergent#Ratings-Reviews

Over years makers of oxygen bleach activators in concert with detergent producers have upped their game. Original intent of oxygen bleach activators was to get boil wash results at warm to moderately hot wash temps (Dirt Says Hot, but Label Does Not...).

P&G and Henkel at least for their top shelf products have taken things down to "cold water" territory. This in keeping with push by governments and consumer groups for ever more energy savings on wash day.

Trend in Europe is clear; a study by Electrolux found 44% of European households doing wash at 30 degrees C or lower. If trend continues majority of households in Europe will be doing laundry in cold water.

https://www.electroluxgroup.com/en/...-to-30-wash-driving-down-co2-emissions-35393/

 

[launderess]

For those worried about germs and stuff when washing in cold water there is always hygiene spüler.

 

[foraloysius]

Oh dear! White laundry mixed with colours, washing in cold water and who knows what else. Such abominations! I am proud to say I still use the highest temperature available and still separate my laundry.

Appalled in the Netherlands...

 

[jetcone]

HAHAHAHAHA #Turntocold movement

This thread sparked rebellion over at Family Laundry as well!

Louis Ill switch to HOT When you come visit ! Hugs !

To answer some questions :

1 our water temp right now is 68 degrees

I am using Pro in warm now still cleaned up the tighty whiteys !

Yes Tom I reset the machine manually to full wash as I am very familiar with the "Sinners Circle" !

John I also used it in my Frigidare by Gibson you sold me years ago. Does beautiful work in there as well.

Jason is terrified of SWS - Stinky Washer Syndrome however I have noticed its ability to remove grime at COLD so I will be testing for that as well going forward.

Somebody kick Jason up here to sniff my washing machines !!!

IT is only available at Staples online store QUILL.

The liquid formulation is not at all the same as this powder and I see one important surfactant missing from it. I am a powder guy always have been so its no big chip off my shoulders to be using powder.

All I can say is this appears to rock !!

Get Cracking people, save up your skid marks and set the dial to COLD!

I wanna hear hard cold results in the coming weeks !!!!!

 

[launderess]

There are a few flavors of "Tide Professional" about.

We had a thread here in group back in 2013 on one version.

https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?46322

There's fleaPay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/234801614202

Liquid: https://roundeyesupply.com/products...-detergent-105-oz-pour-bottle-4-case-pgc14116

Pods: https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Commercial-Power-Laundry-Detergent/dp/B0CTX23CRP

Powder on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Professional...ergent-Business/dp/B0CTX3QP45?ref_=ast_sto_dp

This latest incarnation seems to be a reboot or reset. P&G is going all out with PR blitz for something, again as one has said has been around for sometime. That is P&G "professional" laundry featuring Tide products launched well over a decade or more ago IIRC.



P&G does seem to be confining distribution to warehouse stores or other places that supply business owners. Amazon certainly fits that bill and they like other "super stores" have business pricing and so on.

P&G couldn't turn down Amazon, that place moves too much of their goods worldwide.

P&G does do side deals with Target and other places. There are versions of Tide and other P&G products you only see at Target or another place, but not otherwise generally found.

Just so people know there is an Ariel professional line as well. It too has been around for some time in one form or another.

https://pgpro.co.uk/en-gb/products/ariel-professional/

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254584397390

 

[launderess]

Both Unilever and Henkel versions of Persil have "professional" formulas as well.

https://www.germanfoods.shop/Persil-Professional-Universal-Laundry-Powder-Detergent-130-Loads

 

[mrboilwash]

If someone`s top priority regarding laundry is to save energy and minimize wear on clothes, fine then cold water washing might be their holy grail.
Not gonna argue with this, we`re all different individuals with different needs.

But one of the world`s largest detergent manufacturers offering a product to wash hospitality laundry in cold water is beyond gross in my opinion.
I`ll never understand how some first world countries like Spain or the USA seem to have zero regulation on how shared laundry has to be treated.

It`s not just because I am very OCD when it comes to laundry (otherwise I`m a bit more relaxed when it comes to cleanliness), but as a frequent traveler I`ve also had my share of skin conditions like pustules or rashes after using such questionable "hospitality linen". Yuck!

 

[jetcone]

Have used Persil Pro Powder and love it

BUt have never tested that in COLD.

But lOOKIEE What just popped up in Canada !!!!>>>>
Says not currently available.

However The American TidePro HAS OXY in the formula ! Sodium Carbonate Peroxide !

There will be no stink in my machines so send that Jason up to confirm !

https://www.amazon.ca/Tide-Professional-Powder-Detergent-Laundry/dp/B0839N3XB7

 

[foraloysius]

Louis Ill switch to HOT When you come visit ! Hugs !

Only Superhot is enough for me! LOL

 

[combo52]

The problem is most people don’t think cold

Is around 100°F, I’ve been suggesting for years you can get clothing quite clean and hundred degree wash water even 70°F. Does a pretty decent job cleaning with adequate amounts of detergent and decent water quality.

Washing machines need to have a temperature read out on them that tells what temperature you’re actually washing in to help customers make the best choices.

Clothing manufacturers need to specify what temperature they want the clothing washed in not this cool or cold BS

With modern energy star machines you really need to set the thing on hot, which may give you a temperature of little over 100°F for most washing, my customer is look at me like I’m crazy when I suggest using the hot setting on their modern machines for nearly all washing, I try to explain that even their brand new black jeans can be washed on the hot setting in a modern machine or a front loading washer.

John

 

[appnut]

Tide Professonal Powder is available in central Texas at Walmart and Amazon. I'm still working on my big boxes of Tide w/Bleach alternative and original Tide. It wwill probably be a while still before I use those up. I"ll be monitoring this thread discussion until time to replace and Profesiosnal will be the only version of Tide Powder I do laundry with it that meets with your approval Jon. Would simply my life. And gasp, maybe select cold wash temp. My LG, Warm on normal is between 85 to 90F and other cycles it's 90F to 95F.

 

[tomturbomatic]

What is "Sinners Circle"? Thank you

 

[jetcone]

Thank you Appnut!

Mother Superior has a point on temperature! Inside the Industry Cold is between 65-80 degrees. So washing at 100 would be warm. And as MS has tutored me before, think of all the solid metal inside your machine that has to come to temperature??? You start at 100 and BANG your down to Cold between 65-80 degrees. So John is right start as hot as you can.

Now In Beatrice Bendix you hit the HOT button and you have steam coming out the soap door!

Tom; Karcher explains the Sinners Circle very clearly see link. I used it to design Rosalies and Rosalies washing instruction.

https://www.kaercher.com/int/home-garden/know-how/the-sinner-s-circle.html

 

[appnut]

Well Mother Superior, with my LG I am able to constantly monitor water temperature by simply pushing simultaneously wash temp & delay start buttons. So I watch as the didital display changes as warm or hot water enters the tub. It's actually quite consistent with the monitoring of the temp incoming as opposed to target temp for selection. YOu kn ow me, I thoroughly watching data change in front of me.