Cold water washing has arrived

[launderess]

There are a few flavors of "Tide Professional" about.

We had a thread here in group back in 2013 on one version.

https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?46322

There's fleaPay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/234801614202

Liquid: https://roundeyesupply.com/products...-detergent-105-oz-pour-bottle-4-case-pgc14116

Pods: https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Commercial-Power-Laundry-Detergent/dp/B0CTX23CRP

Powder on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Professional...ergent-Business/dp/B0CTX3QP45?ref_=ast_sto_dp

This latest incarnation seems to be a reboot or reset. P&G is going all out with PR blitz for something, again as one has said has been around for sometime. That is P&G "professional" laundry featuring Tide products launched well over a decade or more ago IIRC.



P&G does seem to be confining distribution to warehouse stores or other places that supply business owners. Amazon certainly fits that bill and they like other "super stores" have business pricing and so on.

P&G couldn't turn down Amazon, that place moves too much of their goods worldwide.

P&G does do side deals with Target and other places. There are versions of Tide and other P&G products you only see at Target or another place, but not otherwise generally found.

Just so people know there is an Ariel professional line as well. It too has been around for some time in one form or another.

https://pgpro.co.uk/en-gb/products/ariel-professional/

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254584397390

 

[launderess]

Both Unilever and Henkel versions of Persil have "professional" formulas as well.

https://www.germanfoods.shop/Persil-Professional-Universal-Laundry-Powder-Detergent-130-Loads

 

[mrboilwash]

If someone`s top priority regarding laundry is to save energy and minimize wear on clothes, fine then cold water washing might be their holy grail.
Not gonna argue with this, we`re all different individuals with different needs.

But one of the world`s largest detergent manufacturers offering a product to wash hospitality laundry in cold water is beyond gross in my opinion.
I`ll never understand how some first world countries like Spain or the USA seem to have zero regulation on how shared laundry has to be treated.

It`s not just because I am very OCD when it comes to laundry (otherwise I`m a bit more relaxed when it comes to cleanliness), but as a frequent traveler I`ve also had my share of skin conditions like pustules or rashes after using such questionable "hospitality linen". Yuck!

 

[jetcone]

Have used Persil Pro Powder and love it

BUt have never tested that in COLD.

But lOOKIEE What just popped up in Canada !!!!>>>>
Says not currently available.

However The American TidePro HAS OXY in the formula ! Sodium Carbonate Peroxide !

There will be no stink in my machines so send that Jason up to confirm !

https://www.amazon.ca/Tide-Professional-Powder-Detergent-Laundry/dp/B0839N3XB7

 

[foraloysius]

Louis Ill switch to HOT When you come visit ! Hugs !

Only Superhot is enough for me! LOL

 

[combo52]

The problem is most people don’t think cold

Is around 100°F, I’ve been suggesting for years you can get clothing quite clean and hundred degree wash water even 70°F. Does a pretty decent job cleaning with adequate amounts of detergent and decent water quality.

Washing machines need to have a temperature read out on them that tells what temperature you’re actually washing in to help customers make the best choices.

Clothing manufacturers need to specify what temperature they want the clothing washed in not this cool or cold BS

With modern energy star machines you really need to set the thing on hot, which may give you a temperature of little over 100°F for most washing, my customer is look at me like I’m crazy when I suggest using the hot setting on their modern machines for nearly all washing, I try to explain that even their brand new black jeans can be washed on the hot setting in a modern machine or a front loading washer.

John

 

[appnut]

Tide Professonal Powder is available in central Texas at Walmart and Amazon. I'm still working on my big boxes of Tide w/Bleach alternative and original Tide. It wwill probably be a while still before I use those up. I"ll be monitoring this thread discussion until time to replace and Profesiosnal will be the only version of Tide Powder I do laundry with it that meets with your approval Jon. Would simply my life. And gasp, maybe select cold wash temp. My LG, Warm on normal is between 85 to 90F and other cycles it's 90F to 95F.

 

[tomturbomatic]

What is "Sinners Circle"? Thank you

 

[jetcone]

Thank you Appnut!

Mother Superior has a point on temperature! Inside the Industry Cold is between 65-80 degrees. So washing at 100 would be warm. And as MS has tutored me before, think of all the solid metal inside your machine that has to come to temperature??? You start at 100 and BANG your down to Cold between 65-80 degrees. So John is right start as hot as you can.

Now In Beatrice Bendix you hit the HOT button and you have steam coming out the soap door!

Tom; Karcher explains the Sinners Circle very clearly see link. I used it to design Rosalies and Rosalies washing instruction.

https://www.kaercher.com/int/home-garden/know-how/the-sinner-s-circle.html

 

[appnut]

Well Mother Superior, with my LG I am able to constantly monitor water temperature by simply pushing simultaneously wash temp & delay start buttons. So I watch as the didital display changes as warm or hot water enters the tub. It's actually quite consistent with the monitoring of the temp incoming as opposed to target temp for selection. YOu kn ow me, I thoroughly watching data change in front of me.

 

[mrboilwash]

Tide plus Bleach left side......Tide Professional right side

Sodium Sulfate............................Sodium Sulfate
Sodium Carbonate........................................Sodium Carbonate
Sodium C10-16 Alkylbenzenesulfonate.......Sodium C10-16 Alkylbenzenesulfonate
Sodium Carbonate Peroxide.........................Sodium Carbonate Peroxide
Sodium Silicate..............................................Sodium Silikate
TAED..............................................................TAED
Zeolite (Sodium Silicoaluminate)................Zeolite
Water.............................................................(not listed)
C10-16 Pareth..............................................C10-16 Alketh
Sodium Polyacrylate.................................Sodium Polyacrylate
Fragrance...................................................Cellulose Gum
Cellulose Gum.............................................Fragrance
C16-18 Fatty Acids Sodium Salt...............Flourescent Brightener 71
Fluorescent Brightener 71.......................C16-18 Fatty Acid Sodium Salts
Anionic Modified Polyester.....................(not listed)
Disodium Distyrylbiphenyl Disulfonate...Disodium Distyrylbiphenyl Disulfonate
Organosilicone Copolymer......................Subtilisin
Subtilisin.................................................Organosilicone Copolymer
Amylase Enzyme...................................Amylase Enzyme
PIGMENT BLUE 15..............................Pigment Blue 15

Not that much of a difference apart from the box it seems
I am a bit puzzeled about the 3 miracle chemicals, can`t see anything extraordinary neither in the Tide with Bleach nor in Tide Professional. Both seem to be decent formulars though.

https://smartlabel.pg.com/en-us/00037000849988.html

https://pgpro.com/en-us/brands/tide-professional/powder-detergent

 

[jetcone]

Not sure what you mean Mr Boilwash

IS the Tide with bleach a powder ?

Bob can you check the water temp after the fill is off and the clothes have tumbled a minute or two??

 

[mrboilwash]

Yes it`s a powder just like Tide Professional is.

On the left side I have listed the Tide plus Bleach ingredients and on the right side are Tide Professional`s ingredients (except for the fragrance chemicals, I left those out)

What I mean? Both detergents are nearly identical.

 

[jetcone]

Mr Boilwash

I may have not been clear earlier but I was comparing TIDE PRO LIQUID to TIDE PRO POWDER.

2 different animals entirely.

The chemicals I have been tracking that P&G has been developing and testing for colder temperatures are:
C10-16 Alketh
THe Polyacrylates
c16-18 Fatty Acids ( long chain )
And
Distyryibiphenyl Disulfonate

 

[appnut]

Jon I can check the temp anytime whether there's water in the tub or not. I got curious during winter months what the temp of the machine structure was during winter. In mild Texas this year 21C to 23C. I can also watch rpm speed as spin is ramping up or down.

 

[mrboilwash]

Sorry Jon, I must have missed that you were comparing Tide Pro Liquid to Tide Pro Powder.
I assumed we were only discussing the powder product pictured in your first post.
Bob mentioned he`s still working through a big box of Tide with Bleach powder so I compared the ingredients of both.
I did this because in Germany P&G and Henkel are also known to sell the same products in different boxes as Professional and as well as regular consumer products.
And big surprise, it looks like it`s the same route in the US.

Don`t want to start a dispute but I don`t think there`s anything special about those cold water chemicals you`re referring.

A nonionic sufactant, a polymere, soap and an OBA, those are usually found in any detergent, aren`t they?

But I`m glad it works so well for you even in cold. Enjoy it!

 

[qsd-dan]

Fill temps:

With top loaders, the temperature differential between the fill flume and a full tub is not as radical as a front loader.

Years ago, I did some temperatures tests on fill flume tests vs. a full tub on the Maytags and found about 0-2F difference in 85F (cold), around 3-4F for 120F (warm) and 6-7F for 162F (hot). Nothing radical like a 15-20F+ drop. Helical Maytags have a lot of metal in their design (225 pounds) so they hold temps better than others.

When I first got my tempering valve, I fooled around with cold temps and found bleeding to occur with OLD dark clothes in high 80F/low 90F temps. I would not recommend using temps higher than 87-88F in a top load washer with colors you want to preserve. The 90F recommendation is really pushing the limits and I guarantee you WILL see color bleeding in the water at and above that temp. Been there, done that....bled some coloring out of the t-shirt(s).

Water temps are also dependent on placement. My main washer has always been inside the house so ambient temps are in the mid 60's through 70's. Major adjustments would need to be considered when placed in a garage of a residence in the northern part of the US during winter.

 

[brisnat81]

Jon, coming from the land of the cold wash, we know that detergent can remove visible staining, but it generally always ends up with a dirty machine or funky smelling towels over time. I’d be interested for you to try with towels and see over 4-6weeks whether they still smell fresh after a few days use.

If you keep on this dark pathway, you’ll have to download an F&P manual so you can learn how to remove the scrud from the bendix

 

[jetcone]

Brisnat81

HAhahahaahahahahah

yes I will apply myself now. A 4-6 test sounds good !

But there is no cold washing in the Bendix,hot is HOT and MED is HOT !LOL

Mr Boilwash I understand now why you were discussing Tide with bleach. They are all similar formulas. The chemicals I mentioned were engineered to wash in cooler temperatures, yes they are similar names but the structure of a surfactant affects its cleaning power and 3 of those , (As i have read, I didn't do the lab work) they have been made to have much longer chains that what was used several years ago. Evidently longer chain surfactant the cooler you can clean.

But even in my research P&G has stated ( and I know this well) you can't just come up with a working formula because there is a synergy between chemicals so there is still a lot of guess in new formulations.. sorry to drag on but its HOT ( no pun intended ) on my mind right now. As we are working right now to reintroduce Rosalie's. I have to keep up with the market.

 

[appnut]

Stefan, I apologize for causing any confusion for you. The only reason I mentionned the current powders I am using is because it's going to be quite a while before I invest in this Professional powder because because I still have quite a bit of powder in both boxes. The Tide with bleach powder was delivered November 4 2021. Stated number of loads on box is 89. The previous box was ordered September 4 2017.

The most recent order for Tide Original Powder was March 25 2022. And stated load quantity on the box is 102 loads.

The new LG washer was delivered November 11 2021. Prior to the LG replacing the Duet, I had begun using the auto dispensing liquid detergent feature for the Duet for about a year or two before the Duet needed to be replaced. the majority of the 10 years I had the Duet, I had been using powdeers. But Frigilux was the one to convinece me to begin using liquids and using the auto dose liquid dispeneser in the Duet because he had been using the auto dose feature in the comparable Maytag he had in his house prior to him selling his house and that Maytag pair was included with the sale of the house.

My volume of laundry reduced significantly once I retired in May 2020. I also find I need to use less detergent with the LG turbowash than I needed with the Duet.