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Our first color TV was a brand I haven't seen mentioned, a MUNTZ console. It was the early 70's, and my dad bought it, he was always getting "deals" on something. It lasted into the 80's, not bad for 4 kids spinning the tuner quickly.

 

I still have a Curtis Mathes, it has a great picture.
 
When I was a kid I remember seeing Muntz B&W televisions, I wasn't aware that they made a color tv.
Muntz, headed by used car salesman Madman Muntz was a crazy character. He specialized in crazy television commericals for car dealerships. He even owned his own car company for awhile in the early 50's.
In Chicago in the late 50's there was a company that had pay TV. The way it worked was you "bought" a receiver from this company (a Muntz TV) and on the back of the set there was a coin box. When you wanted to watch TV, you dropped a coin in the set and it turned on for a specified amount of time. Want more? You dropped in more coins. This was the way you paid for your set. Eventually the guy who came by to pick up the "payments" would take the box off of your set and tell you that you have finished paying for it.
The way Muntz worked, he would buy a name brand television and look at the insides of how it was built. Then he would reverse engineer the set using cheaper components and usually streamlining the circuitry so it would be cheaper to produce.
According to people of the era, he was quite something else!
 
Muntz

I've seen pictures of a Muntz TV chassis and compared to their contemporaries, there is almost nothing to them.  To say Muntz streamlined the circuitry is quite an understatement!
 
There was an initiative on the 1964 California ballot to ban pay television. I don't know if it was sponsored by retailers or what not, but the initiative passed and pay tv disappeared from California. I do remember seeing pay tv in a few motel rooms as a very young child when we went on road trips.

I remember the brand name Muntz. Never knew anyone who had one, but it was heavily advertized in the newspapers. Thanks for the interesting histories.
 
I saw this today, from around 1970-1 or so. It looked interesting, has anyone actually seen one in operation? It certainly would end the running to the set to adjust the color or tint. For the past 20 years or so once you adjust the color, it's set for years!

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Yes saw this in Dallas at Tichies Department store at North Park Mall.  We were visiting my sister and she was looking for a color set at that time.  The salesman did a manual adjustment and turned the auto thing on it took a few seconds and bam! great color.  She bought a 25" in early american to match her living room funiture.  It wan't to long until all the major companies had this VIR or as it is now autoset.
 
Wow sparked a memory

I forgot about the GE radiation scare!

 

<span>But when we got our 1968 RCA</span>from Two Guys, <span>Dad went up into the attic and installed a big antenna we bought along with it ! I helped him snake it down thru the basement and up to the wall behind the new RCA!  And Mom helped align the thing from downstairs watching the set, while we turned the antenna in the attic!!</span>

 

<span>!! Forgotten all about that!</span>

We watched the Moon Landings live on that TV!

 

 
 
Allen,

My GE console, picture in a post above has VIR II. I have had several GE's that had it. It was GE patent.

The wa I understand it, networks sent out a signal "hidden" between frames of the broadcast picture, that allowed local stations to adjust their equipment with proper color saturation, hueing, etc. GE's locked into this signal and adjust its own controls (internally)so the color value (and I think a few others) of the picture matched the broadcasts studio's values. There is a switch on the set to turn the VIR on and off.

When it came out, in the late seventies, there was an article, in one of the science magazines (might have been Popular Science) on the new system. In demonstrating the TV for the author, a GE engineer had a normal picture on the screen. He then went over to the set and randomly turned all the dials on the front and created an unwatchable picture.

After he did this, he then pushed the VIR button. The author said for a moment the set looked like it was figting with itself as the pictured, rolled, flutter and changed color as the set "read" the VIR signal and adjusted its own controls. In a couple of seconds he said a beautiful, perfect color picture then appeared on the screen.

The only problem. Not all broadcast have VIR signals. Stations showing local originated broadcast are not using VIR signals, so the set reverts back to the front panel controls and whatever you have them set for. Mine has a red light on the control panel that tells when the set has sensed a VIR signal.

As far as the Muntz TV, the story I have heard is that Muntz got started by taking an RCA chassis and taking out each component that the set would work without, literally piece by piece. So you got a set with the absolute bare bones circuity.

I only saw one Muntz TV. My neighbors had it, and it was a color console with the round picture tube ("roundie"). I remember watching it once, it has an unstable picture that jumped and I could hear faint crackling sound every time the picture jumped and bloomed in brightness.

I remember seeing Muntz ads, but I don't recall them ever having one with a rectangular color picture tube. This was in the late sixties and that's probably about the time they got out of the business. I guess Muntz quality (or lack of) was common knowledge back then, as my dad always said they were a piece of junk.
 
Muntz Wasn't the Only One...

That sounds like something Earl Muntz would do. LOL.  But in actuality that story is usually attributed to RCA.  The engineers would design "proper" circuits and then the "bean counters" would force them to remove components until the level of picture degredation was such that someone would finally declare it "enough".  I'm sure that practice was hardly limited to RCA or Muntz.  After all, when there're profits to be made and you're selling millions of units...
 
X-Rays and TVs-the X-Rays from the screen on the pix tube are to little to worry about-even if you were close to the set or screen.The screenplates of modern color tubes-even old "round jugs" were made of leaded glass-this blocked the X-Rays.The sides or bell of the tube may not be leaded glass-so minor concern there.Yes-the major X-Ray emittors were the HV rectifier tube and the HV shunt regulator tube.these ran at the 18-27KV HV supply for the pix tube anode.So you could get X-Rays from these tubes.They were usually located in a lead foil sheilded HV "Cage"and some of those tubes had lead foil wrapped around the tube body.It was a good precaution not to be sitting against the side of the set where the HV supply tubes were.
At work face X-Ray hazards at work.One of our transmitters has a modulator tube that has 30Kv DC at 10Amp on it.So you stay away from the modulator cabinet when the transmitter is on.Some of the vacuum capacitors can generate X-Rays from the HV DC and RF voltages on them.I am not glowing in the dark yet-I know the possible X-Ray sources here and stay away from them.UHF TV transmitters that use Klystron and Klystrode tubes are considered X-Ray hazards-US made transmitters have to have X-Ray certification labels on them showing the X-Ray emitting areas and X-Ray sheilding.One type of 50Kw AM transmitter had this certification,too.Generally any power tube used in transmitters that operates with a plate voltage of 15Kv and above-take the X-Ray precautions.Put the cabinet panels and all sheilding back in place before operation.And the cabinet veiwing windows are leaded glass or plexiglass to block the X-Rays.
"VITS" was used by TV stations starting in like the early 70's to monitor their signal and equipment-essentually replaced the test patterns.And since the VITS were transmitted-Vertical Interval Test Signal-the users set could use these signals to self adjust the set's colors.You can see the VITS in those days if you rolled the picture using the vert hold to see the frame "bar" the VITS were inside this.That was a good way to see if a station was using them.
 
Muntz

I've got an interesting round-screen B&W Muntz console that showed up recently but I haven't opened it up to see what tricks were employed. It's kind of unusal to see any Muntz sets outside of large metro areas because part of the 'cost reduction' process was also to eliminate IF stages. All fine and good if you're in a big city near the transmitters, but go rural and suddenly you can't pick up squat.
 
And as early as 1967 we started to see the beginning of color television imports from Japan as evidenced by this 1967 Panasonic ad. This ad addressed peoples fear about the reliability of color tv. At the time, nobody even considered Japan as an economic threat.

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Going back to VIR signals....

Is this something that was only exclusive to GE sets or did other manufacturers adopt it too? On the later GE sets I don't see any mention of VIR. But I did find this, perfect to your western wear.
I know on our later Zenith sets there was an AutoColor button. The manual for the set said when pressed, it would return the television settings back to the factory settings. Usually when I pressed it, very little happened.

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No, as Rex said, x-ray emissions from color tv (with CRT's) certainly pose no health risk. Most all of the studies I have read indicate a typical individual receives only 1 millirem (now called millisieverts) a year. Much less than background radiation.

Alpha and beta radiation are stopped by small thicknesses of most materials. The leaded glass in a Cathode Ray Tube would indeed be opaque to them. What is being pr9oduced in a CRT are actually radiation, and if you have solid lead or extremely thick glass in the tube, yes the X-Ray radiation (which behave in a similar manner to very low evergy gamma radiation)can penetrate glass envelope and the bonded glass front of a crt in a measurable amount. However, the radiation is greatly attentuated and the X-rays are considered "soft" and are absorbed into the air within a few inches of the tube face.

So there is certainly nothing to worry about, like Rex says. A coast to coast flight in an airplane gives about 4 times that amount. Radon gas from basements, crawlspace is a far greater threat. Living withing a few miles of a coal fired power plan can give several times that amount due the the naturally occuring radon gas (trapped in the coal) that is released from the power plant when combustion of the coal occurs.

So I would not worry one bit about radiation, for those of you still using a CRT televsion, . To the best of my knowledge, ther are no x-ray emissions for LCD/LED sets as you are not flinging high velocity electrons at a metal shadow mask.
 
Wow, I can't resist chiming in on this...

I was born into an engineering town. Around here in the early '60s, a lot of people had Philco sets as Philco was semi-big in the aerospace industry at the time. The set my parents had when I was born was a 19-inch Philco. But my dad decided he liked Zenith better and in '62 or '63 he bought a Zenith 21-inch and gave the Philco to his father. I remember watching the Philco at my grandparents' house and it had lousy contrast (even by the standards of the day), with medium-gray "blacks". Every time I watched it I wanted to turn the contrast all the way up, but if my dad was there he wouldn't let me, as he was under the impression that this was bad for the set somehow. (And maybe he was right... he's the engineer that was raised on tubes, not me!)

The Zenith had UHF, which was necessary here since the FCC would not license any VHF stations in this area. Actually, it had become mandatory for TVs to have UHF by 1962, but there was a trick that makers used for several years since a lot of people in major metro areas had no use for UHF at the time and didn't want to pay the extra cost. The trick was that when the factory shipped the TV, they shipped the UHF tuner in a separate box. If the TV went to a market that had UHF stations, the dealer would install the UHF tuner when the set arrived. If not, the dealer would give the purchaser the option of omitting the UHF tuner in exchange for a rebate, and if the customer took that, the dealer sent the UHF tuner back to the factory for a credit. I think the FCC finally put a stop to this in 1965.

The UHF tuner on our Zenith was a radio-type continuous turning tuner, with a gear and clutch deal. If you just turned it, it moved rapidly. If you pushed it in, it turned slowly, so you could zero in on the channel. People today don't realize that watching TV involved a certain amount of work back then. In addition to getting up off the couch whenever you wanted to change channels or adjust the volume, you had to periodically get up to adjust other things. Tuners drifted and you had to adjust the fine tuning, especially UHF tuners. Or the TV would lose sync and you had to adjust the horizontal or vertical hold. The Zenith had most of its controls hidden behind a little door that ran the width of the cabinet under the CRT. The door opened downward and you were presented with ten or so trimpot shafts of various colors sticking out through a panel. (Or not... you had to use a screwdriver to adjust some of the less commonly used ones, like the linearity controls.) They were all labeled on the inside of the little door.

The Zenith needed servicing once a year or so, which was not unusual back then. The first step was always to take the back off, pull all the tubes, and take then down to the drug store to use their tube tester. My Dad always let me go with him and operate the tube tester, which I thought was great fun. We'd identify the tube that was bad, and then we'd go get someone to unlock the cabinet under the tube tester where the new tubes were stored, and find a replacement. A couple of times the tube we needed was out of stock, and then we'd be off on a wild goose chase around town to find one.

If replacing a tube didn't fix it, it was time to call for service. The service man usually tried to work on the set in home first. I recall the first time I saw a TV service guy bring in his oscilloscope and hook it up. I thought the scope was the absolute coolest thing ever. All those knobs and buttons and lights, and cool drawings on the screen! I wanted to be a TV repair guy when I grew up, just so I could have one. They usually managed to fix the TV at the house, but I do recall it being hauled off to the shop once. It was gone for a week. Having no TV in the house for a while was not a huge deal back then; there were plenty of other things going on.

Like many people, we had a rooftop antenna with a rotator. But due to the ongoing UHF situation (the geography of this area is singularly unsuitable for UHF), cable started here very early. We had it by 1966, and then the UHF tuner was only used to pull in one area station that wasn't on the cable (for reasons that are still not clear to me). That made the rotator unnecessary, and my dad gave it to my mom's brother who installed it at my maternal grandmother's house.

We moved to another house in 1968, and my dad didn't put up an antenna at the new house; we just used the cable, which by now was populated with several out-of-town stations so we weren't missing any of the networks. The place where the Zenith went was in the basement rec room, along the wall where the fireplace hearth ran the length of the wall. The hearth wasn't quite wide enough for all four legs of the Zenith to stand on, so after pondering the situation for a while, my dad simply removed the legs and sat the cabinet directly on the hearth. We watched the Apollo 11 liftoff and moon landing on that set in 1969.

My first views of color came in 1968. At our new house, one of our neighbors had bought a teensy (11" or so) color set that they had in their basement. I recall nothing about it other than that it was color and it was small. However, my great-uncle purchased what must have been a top-of-the-line Admiral set at about this time. The first thing I remember watching on it was a college football game, and my great-uncle was enraptured by it. The set had some interesting quirks and features. In addition to the usual color intensity and tint controls, it had a white balance control. You could make it more sepia or more blue. I don't recall ever seeing another set in the pre-microprocessor era with that. Another thing I recall about the Admiral was that when you turned it off, instead of the CRT beam shrinking to a point and then fading out, it briefly made a very distinctive three-leaf color pattern as it faded away. My great-aunt still had the set when she died in 1997, but it was no longer working; the CRT had lost vacuum.

The Zenith finally went out in 1970, given to a family friend who installed it in his lake cabin. We got an instant-on RCA XL-100, our first color set. And they weren't kidding about "instant"; when you pressed the power switch (a big chromed bar that ran across the top of the control panel), BAM! it was on. The CRT voltage came on so abruptly that it produced an audible "snap" when you turned the set on. The UHF tuner on this one was a clunk-clunk tuner; each "clunk" selected a band of three channels. You had to set the band to the proper channel once (by turning and turning and turning the fine tune) and then it would remember that setting. This worked acceptably well since, by this time, the FCC had realized that they couldn't assign adjacent UHF channels and were keeping them all six channels apart. The secondary controls were mounted in a weird tilt-out panel which is hard to describe in words. Imagine a metal box which, when closed, has its front face flush with the front of the TV. It's hinged at the front bottom edge. When you pull on the front top edge, it tilts forwards and down, and the controls are mounted on the top of the box which is exposed. By this time horizontal and vertical sync circuits had improved to where they didn't usually need to be fooled with, but the color did require frequent adjustment.

And yes, they sucked electricity. With the RCA at least, it was more than just keeping the tube heaters lit; my understanding of that set was that all of the circuity was powered all the time, except for the CRT drive voltage and the audio output amp. After we'd had it for a few months, my dad started unplugging it at night. My dad had that set until it did in fact catch fire one day in 1976. I wasn't there at the time, but my dad was watching it when it happened. He told me that the fire didn't have anything to do with the instant-on feature per se; it was a problem with the power switch, which was under-spec'ed for the current it was handling. He hot-wired the set so it would always be on when plugged in, but shortly after he got rid of it.
 
You know, when I was researching more stuff for this thread, I came across several adverts for televisions that could accept 83 channels, in 1951! The first UHF station went on the air in Portland, OR in 1952. I wonder why it took so long to get UHF factory installed? Chicago didn't get it's first UHF station until 1964 and a lot of people couldn't receive it for lack of a UHF tuner. But they sold set top UHF adapters which work like the modern ATSC converters of today.

The GE B&W set my mom won had a VHF tuner knob on the upper right of the control panel and on the bottom of the set there was a round plate that said "UHF Tuning". But there was no knob. This would have been in the 1961-62 time frame. So I assumed that if you wanted UHF the dealer installed a UHF tuner for you.

I remember when UHF started in Chicago as I noted in a previous post. What I didn't mention was the detent style UHF tuner didn't come till later. The ones in the 1960's were like tuning a radio by hand. And the stations were VERY narrow in terms of where you could tune it to get it right.

And finally yes, televisions of the 60's were not nearly as reliable as the sets of today. You periodically would see the television van in front of somebodies house on the street. We were fortunate, we never had to have any of our sets taken in. But we did have rectifier tubes replaced from time to time. And then the service guy went out to his truck and brought in a soldering iron and replaced something (I was too young to understand what he was doing) and no more blown rectifier tubes. I used to watch the guy work, ask a lot of questions and then I'd watch him run color bars and convergence patterns on the screen. Finally if the service guy would come, I'd get shooed out of the house so I wouldn't be a bother.
But usually the service guys would answer my questions with an explanation of how things worked.

And sadly recently I have come across a lot of stories on the internet about how some guy somewhere was an independent television repair shop and dealer and could no longer make enough money to keep going on. But most of the guys who came to the house back then were usually in their 40's or so. So I imagine they'd all be in their 80's or 90's by now, long retired. Does anyone anymore do in house television repairs?
 
Does anyone anymore do in house television repairs?

One of my neighbors does--or did. But it's limited. I think he only does warranty work. And I don't think he's a real TV repairman. The repairs are basically swap out a circuit board and pop in a new board.

A fast Google search turns up repair services that claim in home service. One service even apparently is ONLY in home, and claims lower prices due to lower overhead. (This could make sense, since the business could be located someplace cheap, and wouldn't have to be set up to be ready to receive customers.)

I wonder how well repair people do these days. So many people treat electronics as throw away items. Over the years I've seen several repair shops close down.
 
The first UHF station went on the air in Portland, OR in 195

Allen, might that have been KPTV, Channel 27?

 

This clock (in need of repairs and cleaning) sits atop my 1950 Admiral 10" set. 

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UHF History

UHF has been around since television broadcasting became serious business in the USA after World War II. (In fact, CBS' ill-fated "spinning wheel" color system would have required broadcasters to use the UHF band.) By the early 1950's, most areas of the nation had VHF stations; though most television set makers offered UHF models for $20 to $30 more than VHF-only sets, few buyers sprung for UHF.
Ironically, FCC Chairman Newton Minnow--of "vast wasteland" fame--took matters into his own hands and changed the television landscape: Rather than allow the free market decide the future of UHF, he proposed that all new sets have both VHF and UHF capability as standard. With a push from the Kennedy White House (and a threat by Minnow to convert seven major cities to UHF broadcasts), Congress passed the All-Channel Receiver Act. By 1964, all new sets had built-in UHF tuners for channels 14 to 83.
The Receiver Act not only helped the growth of educational (public) television and independent (non-network) commercial stations, it was a boost to the third-ranked ABC Network. By 1970, thanks to UHF, ABC finally had affiliates in every major American city, paving the way for ABC's ratings success of the late 1970's.
Of course, with cable, satellite and digital broadcasting, the entire television landscape. Whether for better or worse, I'll leave that decision up to you.
 
When I was a kid, I used to travel around with my parents quite a bit. I was always anxious to see what channels were available in the cities we visited. They were always 2 to 13. Until around 1964 I came across a channel 22. I was shocked. How could this be? How could they receive it? And then we got our own Channel 26, then a year or two later a channel 39.

I used to think of UHF as being those "strange" channels. All the good stuff to watch was on 2-13. But then I found out as you have stated that some cities had their major network affiliates on UHF. The "good stuff" on UHF? No way (as I used to think!).

How times have changed.
 
Somewhere back I read about the big gains in Japanese tv's was the obvious difference in their advertising. Companies such as RCA in particular heavily advertised their after sales service (a negative actually). The Japanese companies heavily advertised their reliability, aka little to no servicing ever required.
 
Monkey Wards

Our family's first television purchased in 1952 was an Airline from Montgomery Ward.  We had one UHF station, channel 29 that didn't come on until 10:00am.  Through out the years the TV had a knife under the tuner to hold it in adjustment, the back was off and almost monthly we pulled dead tubes and tested at the grocery store buying replacements from the drawers underneath.  If the problem was more than we could solve we called Harry Wattley from Harrie's TV.  He was a tall, rotund and irracisible charactor.  We were all shushed out the room for fear of offending him.  In 1964 our neighbor who was manager of the Wards catalog office convinced my mom to bring home a color TV to use over the Christmas break and we could return it afterwards, no questions asked.  It never went back.  Through out the years TVs have become less expensive, better quality and last much longer without attention.  Frankly I wouldn't have a clue if anyone even repairs TVs anymore.  My first TV was a Magnificent Magnavox, and so was the second.  After the divorce I bought a used Magnavox with we replaced with a Panasonic HD flat screen in 2006.  The Panasonic has stereo speakers and hits those rich base tones like a console stereo used to do.
 
Wowser!

I take one step away from this discussion and off it goes!

My mom was from Wilkes-Barre, PA, my dad from Scranton, PA. They migrated to NJ during WW2. We often went back to visit on vacation through the 1950s and 1960s. W-B/Scr is located in a big, elongated, hollowed-out valley. To this day, there are big microwave towers beaming TV/Radio transmissions down into it. I can remember TV's with that "extra" dial on the side that everyone used. 22=WCAU (CBS), 28=WBRE(NBC), I forget ABC (16???). Anyone help me out here? I don't recall any VHF stations at all.

Radio signals were equally spotty. Auto/home receivers were static-y and fading in and out. Forget FM, they might have been broadcasting from Mars.

What a treat to visit nowadays and have scores of stations to tune in!

Fading memories here, no offense at correction.
 
Everyone who bought a color tv in the 60's had a reason for choosing the brand that they did. Do you know the reason why you or your parents chose the brand they did?

My parents looked for quite some time at various stores and different brands. Everywhere from a small service shop down the road to a very large appliance store miles away. They finally narrowed it down to two sets:

Admiral & Zenith. Both sets had about the same picture quality and were about the same price. Both had the rectangular screen. So my Dad finally chose the Zenith as "with kids in the house I can see that Admiral pull out control panel being slammed in the set repeatedly and sooner than later it'll fail". BTW, Admiral offered that pull out control panel for 3 years, 1964-1967. When their sets got remote control the pull out panel went away.

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