turquoisedude
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We rushed on ahead with the machine reassembly - got the center post back in place and re-installed the cabinet on the frame.
The result?
The result?
Darn that Dominion
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turquoisedude
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Credit where credit is due....
I have to say a heartfelt Thank You to everyone who helped out on this one! Thanks, Ian, Ben, Jon, Joe, Greg, and Robert! But a very special thank you goes out to Phil to was here guiding me through this and I have to mention those Canadian Easy documents that Greg unearthed - thank you again also, Greg, for the pump clamp!!!
What a great group of people we have here - I never would have imagined being able to get this washer going again without you.
Now, I've got to get some shut-eye. With any luck we'll be doing a water test with the Dominion early next week.
I have to say a heartfelt Thank You to everyone who helped out on this one! Thanks, Ian, Ben, Jon, Joe, Greg, and Robert! But a very special thank you goes out to Phil to was here guiding me through this and I have to mention those Canadian Easy documents that Greg unearthed - thank you again also, Greg, for the pump clamp!!!
What a great group of people we have here - I never would have imagined being able to get this washer going again without you.
Now, I've got to get some shut-eye. With any luck we'll be doing a water test with the Dominion early next week.
Yay, you guys did an amazing job, with very little information to go on!!! The clutch is like nothing I've ever seen before, very interesting. I don't believe an American Easy machine had anything like it.
Congratulations!
Congratulations!
philr
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Robert, without the information you sent with a perfect timing on the Patent Of the Day, the additional info from Greg on Canadian Easy machines the next day, and the advises from all other members who contributed, it wouldn't have been as easy for us! It's always fun to work on an odd machine like this!
Thanks to Paul who's also always there to help me too!
Now, I have to learn how to work on a Whirlpool belt-drive mechanism! I guess it might happen soon!
These are the very first washers I remember as my parents, grand-parents on both sides and almost all family members of my large family had them (Inglis-branded models).
Thanks to Paul who's also always there to help me too!
Now, I have to learn how to work on a Whirlpool belt-drive mechanism! I guess it might happen soon!
These are the very first washers I remember as my parents, grand-parents on both sides and almost all family members of my large family had them (Inglis-branded models).
So Cool!
Now since all the parts have been removed it will be so easy to maintain and I agree Paul it looks like a low use machine to me.
So am I to understand that rubber boot just sits up against some spot on the wash tub? There is no seal ring on the bottom of the tub? I would think with a full tub of water it would leak like a sieve down on to the clutch plate and mechanism!!!!!
Did you get a picture of the outer features of the tub, it looks like it has a bizarre shape to it , like a molded balance ring only lower down on the tub.
That clutch is interesting,I too have never seen that on a washer before. Secret Canadian technology for sure.
Doctrine reveals all!
Now since all the parts have been removed it will be so easy to maintain and I agree Paul it looks like a low use machine to me.
So am I to understand that rubber boot just sits up against some spot on the wash tub? There is no seal ring on the bottom of the tub? I would think with a full tub of water it would leak like a sieve down on to the clutch plate and mechanism!!!!!
Did you get a picture of the outer features of the tub, it looks like it has a bizarre shape to it , like a molded balance ring only lower down on the tub.
That clutch is interesting,I too have never seen that on a washer before. Secret Canadian technology for sure.
Doctrine reveals all!
turquoisedude
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alr2903: the patent filing date was May 16, 1956. Funny coincidence that about the same time down in Appliance Park, my '56 GE Dishwasher in the kitchen centre was rolling off the production line. From what I have learned about the Beatty/Dominion washers, machines based on this patent design seem to have been introduced in 1957 and vanished in 1961; the Dominion brand name seemed to have also been retired at that time. Oddly enough, the new Beatty 62 and 63 models in particular look a heck of a lot by Blackstone designs... Sorry! I got a little off on a tangent there...
Jon: I didn't post each and every photo, but yes, there is a clamp on the lower end of the tub boot. It wouldn't have been very useful otherwise... LOL The upper part of the tub boot slips into a sleeve at the bottom of the tub (which is when we used the remote camera to ensure it was seated properly.
I do still need to do some water testing so keep your fingers crossed! I'll probably only get to that next week, however.
Jon: I didn't post each and every photo, but yes, there is a clamp on the lower end of the tub boot. It wouldn't have been very useful otherwise... LOL The upper part of the tub boot slips into a sleeve at the bottom of the tub (which is when we used the remote camera to ensure it was seated properly.
I do still need to do some water testing so keep your fingers crossed! I'll probably only get to that next week, however.
Blackstone
Hmm very interesting, Blackstone at the time was struggling for market share and is still located in Buffalo. Were the Beatty machines built in the Toronto area??
I bet they knew each other.
Hmm very interesting, Blackstone at the time was struggling for market share and is still located in Buffalo. Were the Beatty machines built in the Toronto area??
I bet they knew each other.
From the secret Canadian -
That's really awesome, the clutch is fascinating. I'm really glad you were able to get that machine up and running again. Hopefully now any problems you encounter will be small ones that can be fixed with a dab of silicone.
Congrats on a great job to you and Phil, you both should be very proud of your efforts!
That's really awesome, the clutch is fascinating. I'm really glad you were able to get that machine up and running again. Hopefully now any problems you encounter will be small ones that can be fixed with a dab of silicone.
Congrats on a great job to you and Phil, you both should be very proud of your efforts!
Paul, Good Luck with your "Beatty". I am so happy it was something you could fix and not have to go on a search for part. You Guy's know your stuff! Also thanks for the patent date. After things settle in, will a Easy ""spirolator" fit? Not to detract from the fierceness of the cast aluminum Beatty agitator you have. Thanks again. alr
Paul and Phil - awesome, awesome work! Way to go! As the others have said, that clutch is very interesting! I wonder how similar the nylon rollers are to the round style Maytag motor glides.
Now you need to find an Easy spiralator for some real wash drama!
Ben
Now you need to find an Easy spiralator for some real wash drama!
Ben
jamman_98
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It was fun
Not that I'm sure how much I did contribute. I'm very mechanically minded but nothing like a group effort to achieve a goal. Looking forward to a complete wash cycle video.
Joe
jamman_98
Not that I'm sure how much I did contribute. I'm very mechanically minded but nothing like a group effort to achieve a goal. Looking forward to a complete wash cycle video.
Joe
jamman_98
Bravo!!
IMPRESSIVE collaborative effort, and way to go on a daunting repair! Thank you for sharing your experiences and photos along the way. What a totally fascinating machine!
Now, go back and find out about that dog hair! ;-)
Regarding the clip that jammed the pump and launched a thousand ships--that happens more times than I can count. I'm starting to learn to go hunting for foreign objects before running things. I've already destroyed one dishwasher seal with an overlooked olive pit. Sigh.
IMPRESSIVE collaborative effort, and way to go on a daunting repair! Thank you for sharing your experiences and photos along the way. What a totally fascinating machine!
Now, go back and find out about that dog hair! ;-)
Regarding the clip that jammed the pump and launched a thousand ships--that happens more times than I can count. I'm starting to learn to go hunting for foreign objects before running things. I've already destroyed one dishwasher seal with an overlooked olive pit. Sigh.
turquoisedude
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The moment of truth....
I got back down to Ogden this afternoon and despite a bad back (made worse by having to shovel a good third of a mile of our cursed driveway), I had to try dragging the Dominion to the laundry tub and give it a test run with some water in it.
I got back down to Ogden this afternoon and despite a bad back (made worse by having to shovel a good third of a mile of our cursed driveway), I had to try dragging the Dominion to the laundry tub and give it a test run with some water in it.
turquoisedude
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Look, Maw! No leaks! Well so far...
Welllll..................
tap tap tap......................
tap tap tap......................
yay!
And a close up of that secret canadian snubber technology too boot
And a close up of that secret canadian snubber technology too boot
turquoisedude
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Sorry about that, my coal-fired, vacuum-tube-powered PC crashed on me... It HATES YouTube...
So, here's what happened when I threw the switch on; it was in 'agitate' mode. All looks fine here...
So, here's what happened when I threw the switch on; it was in 'agitate' mode. All looks fine here...
turquoisedude
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HERE'S where the wheels fall off...
Sigh....
Just like what happened when it stalled the first time. Well, okay, the pump was working fine this time around.
Canyon is still hiding from the torrent of angry, vile, and downright nasty expletives that spewed forth from the basement... I am, needless to say, disappointed.
I am thinking that something with the weight of the tub is what did me in here (and when the trouble first surfaced). The extra weight is too much to keep those gosh-darned clutch rollers from swinging to the spin position and raising the clutch.
The bright side? At least I remember HOW to take the washer apart!! I may just slide this to one side for a while though and lick my wounds...
Sigh....
Just like what happened when it stalled the first time. Well, okay, the pump was working fine this time around.
Canyon is still hiding from the torrent of angry, vile, and downright nasty expletives that spewed forth from the basement... I am, needless to say, disappointed.
I am thinking that something with the weight of the tub is what did me in here (and when the trouble first surfaced). The extra weight is too much to keep those gosh-darned clutch rollers from swinging to the spin position and raising the clutch.
The bright side? At least I remember HOW to take the washer apart!! I may just slide this to one side for a while though and lick my wounds...
YAY!
I bet you get more enjoyment from this machine because you went so deep into it????
A Beamish-Canadian machine how cool.
I bet you get more enjoyment from this machine because you went so deep into it????
A Beamish-Canadian machine how cool.
turquoisedude
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Actually, when I post the video about what happened when I rebelted the Inglis after reinstalling the transmission earlier today, you'll understand why I'm not turning cartwheels about having to tear the Dominion apart again... Sigh....
philr
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Oh, that's bad news...
Before you tear it apart again, it would be nice to find more information on this mechanism! Since this mechanism relies only on the centrifugal force against gravity to lift that heavy part to which the spin clutch is attached. I think there's a design flaw in that part of the mechanism. Since nothing was visibly bad worn or broken, just these small rubber stoppers that got flatter with all that heavy hub with 3 rollers sitting on them for such a long time... The only thing I think the weight of water in the tub would change is adding some weight on the large brass bushing that sits on a strange disc spacer below the spin clutch. That could add some strain on the whole mechanism and slow it down a bit. Did you try to empty the tub and spin it again? I'm not sure it would be enough to make a big difference. And even if it does, it needs to be able to engage into spin with a tub full of water without problems!
Before you tear it apart again, it would be nice to find more information on this mechanism! Since this mechanism relies only on the centrifugal force against gravity to lift that heavy part to which the spin clutch is attached. I think there's a design flaw in that part of the mechanism. Since nothing was visibly bad worn or broken, just these small rubber stoppers that got flatter with all that heavy hub with 3 rollers sitting on them for such a long time... The only thing I think the weight of water in the tub would change is adding some weight on the large brass bushing that sits on a strange disc spacer below the spin clutch. That could add some strain on the whole mechanism and slow it down a bit. Did you try to empty the tub and spin it again? I'm not sure it would be enough to make a big difference. And even if it does, it needs to be able to engage into spin with a tub full of water without problems!
turquoisedude
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Phil, I did empty the tub and tried the spin again but it still didn't engage. That was the second wave of foul language echoing through the Tomifobia Valley...
Again, my fear is that when the pump went bad on me, the prolonged attempt to spin with a tub full of clothes and water wore or damaged something in the clutch assembly. Or who knows? Maybe those support springs in the four corners of the base could be adjusted to 'raise' the motor platform... Geez, would a service manual for this machine be nice!!
Again, my fear is that when the pump went bad on me, the prolonged attempt to spin with a tub full of clothes and water wore or damaged something in the clutch assembly. Or who knows? Maybe those support springs in the four corners of the base could be adjusted to 'raise' the motor platform... Geez, would a service manual for this machine be nice!!
The Dominion Sadz
Aww, you poor dear! Take a break and work on something else for a bit, you'll wake up one day and know just what to try that will work.
Aww, you poor dear! Take a break and work on something else for a bit, you'll wake up one day and know just what to try that will work.
philr
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Paul, even if the pump blocked, there's no reason why it would damage spin clutches. It could have damaged the belt but not the spin clutch. Or if it ever did, it would have been a very long process! I really think this is more due to a design flaw of the machine.
Maybe thinner grease around that hub would help, or grinding the metal on the hub that engages the spin clutch where the rollers might still block just after the rubber bumpers.
Maybe thinner grease around that hub would help, or grinding the metal on the hub that engages the spin clutch where the rollers might still block just after the rubber bumpers.
Paul
can you engage spin with the machine dead empty and try to start the tub spinning with a kick from your hand; and see if a kick start gets it going. If that happens then you know those wheels are worn and jamming at start up.
can you engage spin with the machine dead empty and try to start the tub spinning with a kick from your hand; and see if a kick start gets it going. If that happens then you know those wheels are worn and jamming at start up.
turquoisedude
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I tried, Oy, how I tried... For sure, when I got the tub emptied, I tried to give the tub an assist to start spin but with no luck. I wanna get my Hotpoint out of storage to play with now.... Sniffle...
there there deer
bring it down with Phil, and i'll scare it into shape!!
bring it down with Phil, and i'll scare it into shape!!
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