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When you next try it, it would be great if you could do what Dan suggested and take a photo of the water level of the main wash.

 

Are the detergent dispenser cups opening correctly?  You should be able to hear them pop open during the prewash and main wash.

 

It will be good to see how it performs next time you use it, without that flow restrictor.  

 

Detergent choice is another important factor.  I saw that you first mentioned that everything was covered in white powder, which sounds like possible hard water residue.  But then I also noticed that you said that there were white stains where food had dried on -- that sounds more like food/starch residue.  Let's see what happens once we know it's filling with enough water.  It's also a good idea to clean it out with critic acid, such as Lemi Shine etc.  You can fill both cups full and also add a good dose straight into the machine.  Then select the soak n scrub cycle.

 

If your water is soft, Cascade Complete powder should do a good job and can be added to both of the dispenser's closed cups and also the dispenser's open "indentation" or just on the back of the door when necessary.  It contains enzymes and should clean away starchy residues and leave dishes "virtually spotless." A rinse aid could also help and would assist drying, should you wish to use it.  If your water is hard, you may find a detergent such as Cascade Platinum pacs works best for you.  Cascade Fryer Boil Out and Bubble Bandit both contain phosphate and will help to alleviate the effects of hard water, but they don't contain enzymes and are unlikely to work as well as premium pacs on residues left by rice, pasta etc.  The Cascade gel you were using will not contain phosphate (unless it is 10 years old) and won't contain enzymes (unless it is Cascade Complete gel) so you are likely to see starchy residues and hard water deposits, if your water is hard.  It does contain chlorine bleach, as does the Boil out, so at least you won't have tea stains!  You really have to see what works best with your water, your water temperature, your machine, your cycles, your food soils etc.

 

Good luck!

Mark

 
 
Mark,

I jumped the gun by saying everything was covered in white powder, because when I first opened the door I could see the items that had the white residue and it brought back flashes of past times haha. A closer inspection later on revealed it was only on dishes that had food dried on, same with silverware. Such as my pyrex dishes were clean and clear except when food had been, where white deposits were left. Ill get some photos to show what I mean. And I will do the water level check and take photos! :) Thanks my friend!
 
INFORMATION TIME....

Ok guys!! Here what's I've collected since last night's run...

1: I removed the gpm limiter from the faucet aerator adapter. Which resulted in massive flow improvements
2: I turned the water heater to just shy of its max (150F), from approx 135ish. I now measure 130F at the tap after 10seconds of hot water being on.
3: I purchased some lemi shine crystals and cascade complete powder.
4: I took a photo of the water level once the tub was filled on the main wash.

Here's what I've found.

The system is definitely draining ALOT of water compared to before, actually appears to be several gallons. Last night I never saw water levels being barely above the sump, that aerator limiter was barely moving any water.

I've noticed that the unit sounds way more forceful than it did last night, actually sounds like high pressure where as last night I was getting convinced the arms were barely sweeping. When I opened the door to snap a photo, heavy steam billowed out whereas last night wasn't getting a whole lot.

I thought there was some other things I wanted to mention but cannot recall now.

Here's the water level. It appears to be just at the edge where the basket angles in to the smallest circumference in the center. Two photos in case one is easier to see.

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Getting somewhere!

Here is my 2nd load after correcting those water flow issues. This is with the heated dry as well. This was a smaller load but had some grungy pots and pans from beef stew I made yesterday as well as a muffin pan which had cornbread baked on it. Everything appears to be clean! The pyrex dishes look pretty dang clean too.

The rust in the tub, appears to mostly be from the retaining nut on the temp sensor deal, as most of the rust on the tub around it seems to be superficial. It does feel like there might be some silicone around the rust on the heating element, unless the factory sealed those areas?

I forgot to take pics of the dishes dirty.

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Looking good. When used correctly, these are speedy workhorses that provide excellent results.
 
Let's get it fixed

Ok so I would like to tackle the rust on the racks. I have seen several liquid products sold for repairing dishwasher racks. Is this the preferred method?

I figured I would use a razor to cut the edges of the bad vinyl away, wire wheel the rust with a dremel, and cost the metal.with some type of liquid product.

Or what's the proper way?

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That's how I do it

Although I use JB weld because I have not had good luck with the specialized compounds for dishwashers. I do think that's more than surface rust you may have to pay attention to sooner rather than later around the sensor. Looks good, congratulations!
 
This is not the prettiest looking fix but it works and does not bother me.

I used a small wire wheel on a dremel and cleaned all the rust off as well as stripped the coating back to bare metal. I then treated the surface and coated with liquid tape. This stuff has stood the test of time on wiring in and around engines, hydraulics, and exhaust systems for me on my farm. Hoping it stands up fine to hot water and soap. I let it cure over night and ran a sani load today, held up for one. Wash. I may do additional coats to build it up.

One thing I'm learned About this DW, top rack placement is very key. Anything really scummy needs to avoid the litter edges. :) Other than that, working good.

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Anything really scummy needs to avoid the litter edges

The larger wash arm in 19/20 upper rack models eliminates this problem. Be on the lookout.
 
The whole rack. The larger arm won't transfer over to your existing rack. It has been attempted by other members.
 
Great to see the progress!  It looks like the dishes are being washed clean and clear.  I have had excellent results from Cascade Complete powder in softened water.  However I did once use it in hard water and I found calcium deposits were being left on items.  Black plastic utensils started turning white with hard water residue.

 

Wonderful machine.  Hope you enjoy it!

Mark
 
Wrong tint

So I decided to mix up a tinted coat to try and color match. I thought I had it just about right, slightly lighter... AND then decided I needed one more tiny droplet of vegetable dye... And it looked good. But after drying for 5 minutes I think it's gonna be too dark.

It's hard to judge lol. Seems to match the plastic better than the faded racks. Also if I had nice brushes than these cheap acid brushes, it might look nicer.

What do ya all think?

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