scrubflex
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Does anyone on the site know if the 1968, 1969 and 1970 Westinghouse washtub were bigger than the 1972, 1973 and 1974 tubs. Does anyone have washer literature information?
Differences Between Westinghouse & White Westinghouse Washtub Capacity
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I don't think the tub size changed at all during the run of the Westinghouse made top loaders with porcelain basket and spiral agitator.
1969 Models/Brochures for Westinghouse Top Loading Washers
1974 Models/Brochures for Westinghouse Top Loading Washers
1969 Models/Brochures for Westinghouse Top Loading Washers
1974 Models/Brochures for Westinghouse Top Loading Washers
scrubflex
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HEYYYYYY!!! Robert how are you...hmm, if that's the case the '68. and '69 pistachio-green double deep-spiral probably washed less than the '72 to '74 blue deep-swirl because the ramps were wider and ramp edges was taller...the 1970 pistachio-green double spiral may have performed a little better because of the added 3 vertical ribs to the ramp edge...the blue swirl ramps were shrunken down and ramp edges ended up too shallow...more than likely allowed extra room for more clothes...thanks Robert I have those 2 Westinghouse brochures/catalogs
Real Westinghouse TL Tub Capacity
Indeed Robert is correct, these machines all had the same capacity till WCI did away with the WH design and went with the Franklin design with a plastic wash tub.
As time went on the Franklin machines proved to be more durable than the WH design, neither was a particularly good washer performance wise that's for sure.
The best performing ones were the first two years of the WH design when they had the solenoid on the idler pulley so the washer would pump out without spinning, but quality and reliability was so bad on these really models that it would be quite a find if you ever find one that still works.
John L.
Indeed Robert is correct, these machines all had the same capacity till WCI did away with the WH design and went with the Franklin design with a plastic wash tub.
As time went on the Franklin machines proved to be more durable than the WH design, neither was a particularly good washer performance wise that's for sure.
The best performing ones were the first two years of the WH design when they had the solenoid on the idler pulley so the washer would pump out without spinning, but quality and reliability was so bad on these really models that it would be quite a find if you ever find one that still works.
John L.
scrubflex
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Hmm, a MIRACLE ehh. The first washer I ever seen was my parents 1968 Westinghouse
Figuring out manufacturer date
Anyone by chance know how to know when a Westinghouse washer/dryer was made? I’ve always assumed mine were from around 1974 but don’t actually know.
Anyone by chance know how to know when a Westinghouse washer/dryer was made? I’ve always assumed mine were from around 1974 but don’t actually know.
steved
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The Sweet's Catalogues I have advertise the Westinghouse Top Load washers from 1968-1970 as having a 16# capacity. I imagine they jumped on the capacity bandwagon because starting in 1971, they were claiming an 18# capacity. (probably using the same tub)
The Sweet's Catalogues I have advertise the Westinghouse Top Load washers from 1968-1970 as having a 16# capacity. I imagine they jumped on the capacity bandwagon because starting in 1971, they were claiming an 18# capacity. (probably using the same tub)
scrubflex
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Hi Steved, could you post pics of the Westinghouse washers from the catalogs
scrubflex
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Hi Jon, I can't tell you for sure but, it looks like it could be a '74 but, check out Gsohoover video because he shows the model number...compare it to you washer...see
scrubflex
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Different question, is it possible to REDUCE the 'indexing arc' of the Westinghouse washers? Can something DELAY/SLOW-DOWN the indexing of the tub? Instead of it being a 90 degree rotation arc, drop it down to 45 degrees
Reducing The Indexing Rate During Agitation
You could add a brake that held the tub during agitation.
The lack of a tub brake is what made Franklin washers 1960 on , and WH TL washers 1965-1975 such mediocre machines at washing large loads and actually getting them uniformly clean.
Its funny that these two indexing washer designs ended up merging together.
John L.
You could add a brake that held the tub during agitation.
The lack of a tub brake is what made Franklin washers 1960 on , and WH TL washers 1965-1975 such mediocre machines at washing large loads and actually getting them uniformly clean.
Its funny that these two indexing washer designs ended up merging together.
John L.
I've often wondered why WH developed the indexing tub to begin with. The only thing that makes sense would be a more gentle wash action, not rough on the clothes. I read somewhere a few months ago, think it was in there advertising literature that the lint filter would reduce billowing, as the clothes would just often float around. I agree with Scrubflex that adding the 3 vertical ribs on the agitator may have increased cleaning performance.
Honestly, I think they are fun machines to watch but maybe not all that great on large loads to get "uniformly clean," as Combo52 mentioned. Perhaps someone who owns one could prove me wrong. There's not many of these machines left. Think the front load machines were better.
Honestly, I think they are fun machines to watch but maybe not all that great on large loads to get "uniformly clean," as Combo52 mentioned. Perhaps someone who owns one could prove me wrong. There's not many of these machines left. Think the front load machines were better.
Indexing TL Washer Tubs
There was one and only ONE reason these were ever built, It was considerably cheaper to build a washer without a brake, Franklin and WH discovered they could cut costs and get away with it so they tried to justify it and call it a feature.
Having the tub move with the agitator in one direction does not improve ANY aspect of the washers performance, the only thing it does is make it kid of fun to watch, but it leaves you wondering after a few minutes why the hell is it doing what its doing,No other serious washer ever did this, LOL
John L.
There was one and only ONE reason these were ever built, It was considerably cheaper to build a washer without a brake, Franklin and WH discovered they could cut costs and get away with it so they tried to justify it and call it a feature.
Having the tub move with the agitator in one direction does not improve ANY aspect of the washers performance, the only thing it does is make it kid of fun to watch, but it leaves you wondering after a few minutes why the hell is it doing what its doing,No other serious washer ever did this, LOL
John L.
cfz2882
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really cool washers in reply 4 and 5 
I thought it would be easy to add brake to Franklin washer (the tranny rotates with tub)I know on my 1989 franklin rollover really improves when tub held stationary.If another decently intact Franklin finds me,might modify it with a brake for kicks Franklins actually have far better main seal than most any other washer
I thought it would be easy to add brake to Franklin washer (the tranny rotates with tub)I know on my 1989 franklin rollover really improves when tub held stationary.If another decently intact Franklin finds me,might modify it with a brake for kicks Franklins actually have far better main seal than most any other washer
Indexing tubs: Having owned a couple of Franklin-based washers (an ‘86 Frigidaire and an ‘05 Frigidaire) I noticed that the tub didn’t move randomly during agitation. The agitator makes a clockwise stroke, its arc depending on the weight/drag of the load. The more drag, the shorter the clockwise stroke. As the agitator makes its counter-clockwise stroke, the tub indexes clockwise in exact proportion to the length of the counter-clockwise stroke of the agitator. The shorter the clockwise stroke, the longer the counter-clockwise stroke and tub indexing.
I grabbed the agitator a couple of times so that there was almost no clockwise stroke. The counter-clockwise stroke was very long and the tub spun nearly 360 degrees.
If you grab the tub ring to prevent it from moving, the clockwise and counter-clockwise strokes of the agitator become even, as in most washers.
This leads me to believe there’s something going on in addition to there being no tub brake. Is there some sort of spring mechanism in the transmission? The indexing tub has a very definitely stop and start to it; it isn’t random.
I fully agree that while indexing is fun to watch, it inhibits rollover and cleaning power. It also increases tangling of large articles like bedsheets.[this post was last edited: 2/11/2020-15:57]
I grabbed the agitator a couple of times so that there was almost no clockwise stroke. The counter-clockwise stroke was very long and the tub spun nearly 360 degrees.
If you grab the tub ring to prevent it from moving, the clockwise and counter-clockwise strokes of the agitator become even, as in most washers.
This leads me to believe there’s something going on in addition to there being no tub brake. Is there some sort of spring mechanism in the transmission? The indexing tub has a very definitely stop and start to it; it isn’t random.
I fully agree that while indexing is fun to watch, it inhibits rollover and cleaning power. It also increases tangling of large articles like bedsheets.[this post was last edited: 2/11/2020-15:57]
70series
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The washer in this post just about matches my grandmother's Westinghouse. I was not sure of the year she bought it, but figured it was around 1967/1968. She had it until the winter of 1979 when it quit on her at the worst possible time; my grandfather had just come home to recuperate after a month in the hospital, and a major surgery. Fortunately two things were in my grandmother's favor. 1. She had another washing machine in her basement, a 24 inch 1966 RCA Whirlpool with a partial console that had belonged to extended family, but was moved to my grandparents house in 1974 when these relatives moved to an apartment that had no hookup. 2. A son-in-law (my father) who had some mechanical inclination, and was able to hook up the Whirlpool the same day the Westinghouse bid its adieu. I never saw the Westinghouse in action as my grandmother never did laundry when we were visiting. I did get to see the Whirlpool go through a test run once it was hooked up. It was great to see its Surgilator swishing water around after almost 5 years of sitting mute.
The washer in this post just about matches my grandmother's Westinghouse. I was not sure of the year she bought it, but figured it was around 1967/1968. She had it until the winter of 1979 when it quit on her at the worst possible time; my grandfather had just come home to recuperate after a month in the hospital, and a major surgery. Fortunately two things were in my grandmother's favor. 1. She had another washing machine in her basement, a 24 inch 1966 RCA Whirlpool with a partial console that had belonged to extended family, but was moved to my grandparents house in 1974 when these relatives moved to an apartment that had no hookup. 2. A son-in-law (my father) who had some mechanical inclination, and was able to hook up the Whirlpool the same day the Westinghouse bid its adieu. I never saw the Westinghouse in action as my grandmother never did laundry when we were visiting. I did get to see the Whirlpool go through a test run once it was hooked up. It was great to see its Surgilator swishing water around after almost 5 years of sitting mute.
scrubflex
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The 1968 & '69 Westinghouse Spiral Ramp agitator really was a great agitator and powerful too...it's problem was it often caused loads to "ball-up' creating bad unbalances...the deep ramps and high walls (backstroke) plunged the clothes down forcefully into the tub...but, the tub indexing prevented it from turning the loads over as much as it could...the 1970 version with add 3 vertical ribs stopped the balling and enhanced the turnover circulation strength...
scrubflex
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...besides the tub indexing, too bad their tubs weren't big enough to match the large ramps...I notice the 1970's Hoover and 1974 Blackstone washer tubs were the same design as the Westinghouse but, were bigger...the 70's HOOVER
