Duke:
Here's what I see from where I'm sitting: a thread starts with some weird author spreading disinformation, which Bob provided a link to. Not too much later, a *lot* of disinformation and name calling happened. Then someone complains about the disinformation and *more* disinformation happens. That's why I'm saying don't pull a Kellyanne here, there's no need to lie.
That's why I'm saying: there is *no* need to lie and spread disinformation. We can *all* have our favorites and interesting machines and there is no need to put people down or lie about how machines worked. Some people never needed to use Glisten or whatever, some people did. Some people have never used dishwasher Afresh (me, for example), some people do. We can talk all about what makes all of this happen/possible, for example water quality in your area makes a big difference.
There are exceptionally good classic dishwashers and exceptionally good released last month or whatever dishwashers -- both new and old machines can be crappy. If your mindset is "only old stuff is good" or "only new stuff is good", you are missing stuff, you are not learning stuff.
You will find out you and I will agree on a ton of stuff. I am sure of that. When you tell me something, my first reaction is "What does that imply?" Also, "what makes that true or false?", "what can I infer from that data?" I am much more interested in true things and data and how science explains which machines worked better or worse and why. What can we use from what we know to make stuff better.
Some people come here and strongly suggest that "eco-nazi" stuff like saving water and energy are bad things, and extending cycles suck. Well, I just pointed out that KitchenAid, for decades, advertised that they worked better and saved resources compared to the competitors back then. When their cycles went from 30 minutes to 60 minutes, most people claim to prefer the 60 minutes because it washed, rinsed and dried better than the predecessors. Some people will prefer the one that took only 30 minutes because they did not notice anything getting better.
You will find out that there are plenty of machines that look really good on paper (both modern and old) and *should* be good performers, but when used in real life they don't perform well. Other designs that look simplistic and seem like a so-so machine sometimes perform much better than stuff that looks impressive but barely runs.
I take a very dim view of clubs where you can only say what is approved -- for example, "only old cars are good, everything now sucks because of the econazi" or "only new cars are good, everything old sucked because they were not safe". That's not a club, that's a bunch of kids bullshiting around, and one of the things I love about this particular club is that such things are *not* necessary. Very well respected collectors here will give you their unbiased opinions about *both* the good and bad about a particular appliance.
There is not need to "try to fit in" here. Everybody fits in. Give us *your* opinion, not what you think we want to hear you say. Let's try to use all the data to explain a bunch of stuff. If people bring in disinformation, we will end up regressing instead of making progress.
You will find out that everyone here can teach you a bunch of stuff and learn a bunch of stuff from you. I am certainly waiting to hear the stuff you can teach me.
Anyway, you are a grown man, you do whatever you want to do. No biggie.
Cheers,
-- Paulo.
