You have a dishwasher that is capable of handling your true needs. Sadly, most don't or didn't have that at one point.
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You have a dishwasher that is capable of handling your true needs. Sadly, most don't or didn't have that at one point.
How do I get my family to understand there's no need to pre-wash or pre-rinse your dishes?
Honestly, I have no idea. Explain that unlike previous machines, your new machine can indeed handle your dishes dirty. That they will get clean and the soil will be flushed away while suing less water and energy.
Of course, its no guarantee.
Everyone who knows marketing, human behavior, psychology, ect knows a first impression is everything.
I mainly use, and I refuse to run water over the dishes before going in. First of all, the detergent is caustic. Second, there are enzymes, and third, the racks will be ruined and dishes/glasses will be etched if I rinse dishes.
Correct, all correct.
Unfortunately, most dishwashers in existence aren't like yours Jerome. Be happy you have a machine that can actually be called an automatic dishwasher.
It is interesting to see the variability in comments about one's using a dishwasher. There is no right or wrong, per se, just what you feel is right for you. Personally, we live around our dishwasher. As the day progresses, we just pop in the dishes from meals, snacks, etc. At the end of the day, or sometimes the next day, just pop in a Cascade Complete pod, and then go about normal business. No muss, no fuss just clean dishes.
As mentioned in a previous post, when we purchased this house, the inspector found the builder installed dishwasher, a Whirlpool, leaked. The builder offered an allowance and pulled out the new Whirlpool. I stuck in my GE Tower Wash dishwasher. I plan to occasionally alter it with my Maytag Reverse rack. My two favorite machines. My tower wash gives impeccable results in about 90 minutes. Even if the Whirlpool hadn't been factory defective, I would have pulled it and sold it. I won't trade quiet for performance or speed or quality, so I will likely will never own a new dishwasher as I would likely have to compromise on at least one of those three parameters. I was astounded at the build of the new Whirlpool, unbelievably flimsy plastic door and cheap racks.
There are many reasons why people don't use their dishwashers. When questioned, I often find at least one of the three unpardonable sins have been committed, 1.) water ENTERING the dishwasher is less than 120 degrees. F (too many people unwittingly set their hot water heater to 120 degrees, not realizing there can be substantial heat loss in household plumbing.) 2.) People have hard water (over about 10 grains per gallon hardness) Calcium binds with detergent at the molecular level and reduces the detergents' ability to remove food wastes and hold them in suspension, not to mention calcite deposits in the form of spots. 3.) Non-quality detergent. Dishwashers ability to clean is directly proportional to detergent quality.
Hot water, soft water, and quality detergent makes for sanitary and sparkling (literally) dishes and pots and pans....
A dishwasher, of any brand, can't do it's job well unless you give it the above three things. Give your dishwasher what it needs and it will be your best friend.
BTW--It's almost ten p.m.,...only two hours until Santa Comes!!
Wishing all my friends at Automatic Washer.org, a Blessed and Merry Christmas!!
As mentioned in a previous post, when we purchased this house, the inspector found the builder installed dishwasher, a Whirlpool, leaked. The builder offered an allowance and pulled out the new Whirlpool. I stuck in my GE Tower Wash dishwasher. I plan to occasionally alter it with my Maytag Reverse rack. My two favorite machines. My tower wash gives impeccable results in about 90 minutes. Even if the Whirlpool hadn't been factory defective, I would have pulled it and sold it. I won't trade quiet for performance or speed or quality, so I will likely will never own a new dishwasher as I would likely have to compromise on at least one of those three parameters. I was astounded at the build of the new Whirlpool, unbelievably flimsy plastic door and cheap racks.
There are many reasons why people don't use their dishwashers. When questioned, I often find at least one of the three unpardonable sins have been committed, 1.) water ENTERING the dishwasher is less than 120 degrees. F (too many people unwittingly set their hot water heater to 120 degrees, not realizing there can be substantial heat loss in household plumbing.) 2.) People have hard water (over about 10 grains per gallon hardness) Calcium binds with detergent at the molecular level and reduces the detergents' ability to remove food wastes and hold them in suspension, not to mention calcite deposits in the form of spots. 3.) Non-quality detergent. Dishwashers ability to clean is directly proportional to detergent quality.
Hot water, soft water, and quality detergent makes for sanitary and sparkling (literally) dishes and pots and pans....
A dishwasher, of any brand, can't do it's job well unless you give it the above three things. Give your dishwasher what it needs and it will be your best friend.
BTW--It's almost ten p.m.,...only two hours until Santa Comes!!
Wishing all my friends at Automatic Washer.org, a Blessed and Merry Christmas!!
I'm grateful my LG cleans like a Whirlpool power clean.
I am too. More dishwashers need to be built like your LG.
Same! I bought a dishwasher to wash dishes. I'm so over my Kenmore by Whirlpool. It didn't clean as well as the LG.
Whirlpool needs to bring these back. Why do you think kids don't like to pre-wash or pre-rinse, nor do they want to deep down? I don't! I don't want to. That's the point of having a dishwasher. You should do it anyway. It does it for you.
There is no product, design or patent that Whirlpool needs to bring back into production than the Whirlpool Power Clean Filter Module. If everyone in the world was like me that would have happened 15 years ago already. Actually production would never have seized. But sadly society has collectively doesn't know what was lost. It is a very dark, and sad world right now.
Damn my typos! I once owned a Hobart made KitchenAid. It performed flawlessly and made much less noise than I would have, if I had to do dishes by hand.
I always leave the door ajar when there’s dirty stuff in there. The dirt dries up quickly so it doesn’t stink, even after 5 days. But that’s only an option when you don’t have creepy crawlers around that want to get into the dishwasher.
People who put dishes directly into the dishwasher don't like these new tall tubs. The Whirlpool my mom had wouldn't clean dishes, especially the glasses in the upper rack. She always used pots/pans + soak/scour. This is so stupid!
My LG dishwasher cleans whatever I throw at it. It cleaned better than that Whirlpool/Kenmore with the puny pumps!
I have the edge of my dishwasher sprayed with raid when necessary so my dishes don't have ants crawling all over them, this way they die before they can get to them.
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phillymatt53
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I must be lucky.
I've never had ants in the house.
On very rare occasion, maybe a stray waterbug that wanders in.
But I do get a few cobwebs from spiders.
The vacuum takes care of those webs.
My bosch dishwasher cleans better than anything I've ever had since the GSD 1200 GE pot scrubber the interim to Kenmore elite Whirlpool or KitchenAid dishwashers couldn't hold a candle to the bosch or even the GE GSD 1200 pot scrubber
My LG reminds me of the power clean whirlpool dishwasher and old Kenmore built by GE.
Yes, with no food grinder, machine is more quiet or at least that is my theory on meeting low noise levels, but there is a GE model with grinder that is low noise. The filter replace the grinder.
mark_wpduet
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It's so funny how my experience being 3 weeks without a dishwasher back in 2014 while waiting for my Maytag was HORRIBLE... I had relied on a dishwasher for so long and gotten so used to my system that it was almost traumatizing. It's just multiple times a day something might end up in the sink... Open dishwasher, put it in. Later, do the same thing, slowly the dishwasher collects and holds the dirty dishes OUT of site until it's full and time to run it (for me it's every 2 to 3 days. I'd say average 3 times per week. Run it, unload, repeat. Doing them by hand it drove me crazy because there would be dishes in the sink. I'd have to stop, wash a glass, a few knives, a spoon, a bowl... then later, a plate and another glass... It's not like you have this one massive load of dishes to do at one time (at least here) It was a total inconvenience and I hated it. I will never understand how anyone can NOT want or use a dishwasher.
jakeseacrest
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I just can't fathom why someone would not want to use a dishwasher. To me, washing dishes is a CHORE. It is drudgery. I have friends younger than me that hand wash with families of 4+, throw holiday parties and hand wash for all that mess. My mother never wanted a dishwasher. My stepfather did not want one either, but I've only seen him wash dishes once in my life. I lost track over the years how many huge parties and family dinners at my mom's house with stacks of dishes, glasses and pots on every surface. I always tried to help, but she claims that she didn't mind doing the dishes. Unfortunately, she is not the greatest dish cleaner. I had to rinse out a glass at her house on Xmas that I thought was used from the cabinet. The others looked similar. I love to cook. My dishwasher cuts down on the chaos in my kitchen. My dishes are sanitized and sparkly and have the same level of cleanliness. My mother and I have a pact that if I ever have to move back home to help them if they are sick or injured, a dishwasher will be there before my luggage is.
Christmas meal two days ago at the mother's house w/the two sisters and SIL. Paper plates and drinkware. Standard metal/stainless cutlery. They handwashed everything, including all the bakeware/prepware. New dishwasher installed Nov 2024 during the house/kitchen refresh before sister/SIL moved in w/mom has been run twice or thrice at most. Sister ran self-clean on the wall oven, interestingly, presumably the first time.
I refuse ot wash anything by hand. Dishwasher always used. My monthly sewar rate is determined by water consumption during the months of January to March and the basic rate is determined by a maximum of 2,000 gallons every billing cycle. I've always had the minimum sewar charge all 40+ years I've lived in my house (well except for the time I had the water hog Filter Flow. Now that there are two living here, I'll see how it goes. Ted prefers washing everything up 2 or 3 times/day I may just let him continue his way and see what happens with increassed billing.
phillymatt53
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Oh lord!
God forbid that an appliance would fail in some households!
Being so extremely dependent on it would cause pure chaos!
The "drudgery" would be too much to handle!
Think of all the terrible issues that would result!
A sinkful of dishes, making hands worn out, wrinkled up from detergent!
Or a washing machine breakdown... Yikes!
And having to beat garments by hand on a rock by the stream!
Utter torture!
All that labor involved in chores!.... no energy left to tap on "apps" or service the hubby's needs.
Simply dreadful!
God forbid that an appliance would fail in some households!
Being so extremely dependent on it would cause pure chaos!
The "drudgery" would be too much to handle!
Think of all the terrible issues that would result!
A sinkful of dishes, making hands worn out, wrinkled up from detergent!
Or a washing machine breakdown... Yikes!
And having to beat garments by hand on a rock by the stream!
Utter torture!
All that labor involved in chores!.... no energy left to tap on "apps" or service the hubby's needs.
Simply dreadful!
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Well Phil, I have some physical challenges snice birth and as I age, I've adapted to allow myself to continue to be productive and independent. I let the dishwasher wash all dishware and cookware. My dryer is the Iron in this house and has been since me graduating from college in 1977 and working until retirment in 2021.
Well, this older guy will always have a dishwasher if it’s at all possible.
I grew up in a family of seven with no dishwasher, all of my other sets of aunts and uncles nine of them had dishwashers. I think everyone had a KitchenAid dishwasher.
I kept bugging my parents to buy a dishwasher in the mid 60s. My dad said if you do the dishes 500 times after the evening meal, they’ll put in the dishwasher to quiet me down. I got through about 275 times doing the dishes and they remodeled the kitchen and put in a DNM Kenmore built middle of the line dishwasher in 1966, it was a huge work saver did a pretty good job but with no filter there were a little bits of stuff left here in their occasionally but we always said at least it was clean food.
Graduated to a 1974 whirlpool dishwasher, much better machine held more and got things cleaner.
Now with a smaller family, it’s usually just one or two of us. I couldn’t imagine washing dishes. It wasn’t so bad for a big family because it was a job to do, but now as others have mentioned, there’s always a few dirty dishes. I would never not have a dishwasher it saves so much time and water. It’s not funny.
I frequently look at the clock when I start loading the dishwasher. We had six people over Friday night for dinner. It literally takes two minutes to get all the dishes in the dishwasher and it takes two minutes the next day to unload them and put them away you never get your hands wet. You don’t mess up the sink, rinsing dirty dishes in it they all go directly in the dishwasher. Only big pieces of food get dropped into the garbage disposal.
Modern dishwashers only need 120° water. It doesn’t even need to be that hot any decent dishwasher worth having will heat the water in the main wash in the final rinse to at least 140° so it really doesn’t matter if the water temperature isn’t up to 120° in fact, my whirlpool dishwashers with the thermal hold actually clean better with cooler water because it will run longer.
If it came down to having or not having a dishwasher, I think I would easily pay about $10,000 to have a dishwasher when you consider how much time it saves you I don’t intend to spend my last good time on earth washing dishes.
Curious to know what other others would spend for a dishwasher if you had to put a price it what would you pay to save up to an hour of time a day?
John L
I grew up in a family of seven with no dishwasher, all of my other sets of aunts and uncles nine of them had dishwashers. I think everyone had a KitchenAid dishwasher.
I kept bugging my parents to buy a dishwasher in the mid 60s. My dad said if you do the dishes 500 times after the evening meal, they’ll put in the dishwasher to quiet me down. I got through about 275 times doing the dishes and they remodeled the kitchen and put in a DNM Kenmore built middle of the line dishwasher in 1966, it was a huge work saver did a pretty good job but with no filter there were a little bits of stuff left here in their occasionally but we always said at least it was clean food.
Graduated to a 1974 whirlpool dishwasher, much better machine held more and got things cleaner.
Now with a smaller family, it’s usually just one or two of us. I couldn’t imagine washing dishes. It wasn’t so bad for a big family because it was a job to do, but now as others have mentioned, there’s always a few dirty dishes. I would never not have a dishwasher it saves so much time and water. It’s not funny.
I frequently look at the clock when I start loading the dishwasher. We had six people over Friday night for dinner. It literally takes two minutes to get all the dishes in the dishwasher and it takes two minutes the next day to unload them and put them away you never get your hands wet. You don’t mess up the sink, rinsing dirty dishes in it they all go directly in the dishwasher. Only big pieces of food get dropped into the garbage disposal.
Modern dishwashers only need 120° water. It doesn’t even need to be that hot any decent dishwasher worth having will heat the water in the main wash in the final rinse to at least 140° so it really doesn’t matter if the water temperature isn’t up to 120° in fact, my whirlpool dishwashers with the thermal hold actually clean better with cooler water because it will run longer.
If it came down to having or not having a dishwasher, I think I would easily pay about $10,000 to have a dishwasher when you consider how much time it saves you I don’t intend to spend my last good time on earth washing dishes.
Curious to know what other others would spend for a dishwasher if you had to put a price it what would you pay to save up to an hour of time a day?
John L
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vacerator
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Our son and future daughter in law came for supper yesterday. I filled the rinse aid dispenser before the prior load. It looked empty when I loaded it yesterday?? Fortunately no spots on the good stainless flatware or china.
If we were all alike, it would be a very boring world. There are many reason people have to use or not use dishwashers. Whatever is comfortable to them is fine. It's their decison.
However, as aforementioned, I have often found that people who have a dishwasher, and don't use it, are often that way because they tried it once and didn't get good results. Especially those who live in a world of generalizations, instead of specifics. One unclean load and then they claim all dishwashers are bad. They judge the whole world by their own little corner.
In reality they were likely committing at least one of the three unpardonable sins of dishwasher use: hard water, cool water and/or cheap detergent.
Sometimes it is hard to tell these people the fault is theirs and not the dishwasher's. People who live in a world of global generations paint a picture in their mind of the generalization that they are always right. If the dishes don't come out clean from the dishwasher, then it's the dishwasher's fault, not theirs, ..therefore all dishwashers are bad.
You try to explain the realties and what comes back is: "No, my water temperature is fine," "No my water is soft enough" or "No, the dishwasher detergent I bought is fine."
My one Aunt and Uncle never had a dishwasher. They came to my parents' house most every year for Thanksgiving. I talked to them about getting a dishwasher and my Aunt said someone told her you have to rinse dishes off, and if you have you rinse them off why bother to get a dishwasher. In this case she made a global generalization that ALL dishwashers require you to rinse off dishes, based on the one comment of a friend.
I tried to explain over and over that one does not have to do this, based on my personal experience. But no, that didn't matter, her friend told her you have to rinse off dishes.
Neither she nor my Uncle ever lifted a finger to help after Thankgiving dinner..never cleared a dish off the table nor offered to carry anything in to the kitchen. Had they stuck their head in the kitchen they would have seen the dishwasher (my mom's GE Potscrubber) being loaded, unrinsed with filthy dishes, lol.
You have the people who live in a world of detail, facts, specifics and like to learn...then you have the people live in their own little world of egocentricity where they don't trust reality but trust the picture of reality that they have created in their mind. All incoming data is filtered to reinforce that picture.
These are the people who live by "Old Wives Tales." If a person doesn't have a prexisting picture in their mind of a dishwasher, and a person such as a friend or neighbor says, "Dishwashers are terrible, you have to rinse every speck of food off, and even then they leave spots and film on your glasses."
The "generalist" will then print a picture of a dishwasher in their mind of a dishwasher being a worthless device and judge everything by that picture in their mind. That is thier reality and they do not realize that picture in their mind is created from erroneous data.
From then on everything viepoint they have about dishwashers is then based on a comparison to that mental picture .
How many dishwashers have not been bought, or not used because of these old wives tales? How many people people don't install a heat pump because someone told them they stop working below 32 degrees? How many people are afraid to put certain items in their garbage disposal because of old wives tales?
Dishwashers, heat pumps and disposals are all too often the victim of these Old Wives Tales. Appliances can make our lives easier, cleaner and more convenient. Sadly, they are often underutilized by the one thing that the manufactures cannot design for, and that is human stupidity.
However, as aforementioned, I have often found that people who have a dishwasher, and don't use it, are often that way because they tried it once and didn't get good results. Especially those who live in a world of generalizations, instead of specifics. One unclean load and then they claim all dishwashers are bad. They judge the whole world by their own little corner.
In reality they were likely committing at least one of the three unpardonable sins of dishwasher use: hard water, cool water and/or cheap detergent.
Sometimes it is hard to tell these people the fault is theirs and not the dishwasher's. People who live in a world of global generations paint a picture in their mind of the generalization that they are always right. If the dishes don't come out clean from the dishwasher, then it's the dishwasher's fault, not theirs, ..therefore all dishwashers are bad.
You try to explain the realties and what comes back is: "No, my water temperature is fine," "No my water is soft enough" or "No, the dishwasher detergent I bought is fine."
My one Aunt and Uncle never had a dishwasher. They came to my parents' house most every year for Thanksgiving. I talked to them about getting a dishwasher and my Aunt said someone told her you have to rinse dishes off, and if you have you rinse them off why bother to get a dishwasher. In this case she made a global generalization that ALL dishwashers require you to rinse off dishes, based on the one comment of a friend.
I tried to explain over and over that one does not have to do this, based on my personal experience. But no, that didn't matter, her friend told her you have to rinse off dishes.
Neither she nor my Uncle ever lifted a finger to help after Thankgiving dinner..never cleared a dish off the table nor offered to carry anything in to the kitchen. Had they stuck their head in the kitchen they would have seen the dishwasher (my mom's GE Potscrubber) being loaded, unrinsed with filthy dishes, lol.
You have the people who live in a world of detail, facts, specifics and like to learn...then you have the people live in their own little world of egocentricity where they don't trust reality but trust the picture of reality that they have created in their mind. All incoming data is filtered to reinforce that picture.
These are the people who live by "Old Wives Tales." If a person doesn't have a prexisting picture in their mind of a dishwasher, and a person such as a friend or neighbor says, "Dishwashers are terrible, you have to rinse every speck of food off, and even then they leave spots and film on your glasses."
The "generalist" will then print a picture of a dishwasher in their mind of a dishwasher being a worthless device and judge everything by that picture in their mind. That is thier reality and they do not realize that picture in their mind is created from erroneous data.
From then on everything viepoint they have about dishwashers is then based on a comparison to that mental picture .
How many dishwashers have not been bought, or not used because of these old wives tales? How many people people don't install a heat pump because someone told them they stop working below 32 degrees? How many people are afraid to put certain items in their garbage disposal because of old wives tales?
Dishwashers, heat pumps and disposals are all too often the victim of these Old Wives Tales. Appliances can make our lives easier, cleaner and more convenient. Sadly, they are often underutilized by the one thing that the manufactures cannot design for, and that is human stupidity.
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