Boy... I wish there was a place where I could take my dishes to get them washed! It could be very similar to a Laundromat, but just a bunch of dishwashers! I'm talking about modern but reliable ones! I wish all of the appliance manufacturers could make commercial dishwashers similar to coin operated washers and dryers! All I would need to do is to find a way to transport dirty dishes there! I just got done washing a few dishes by hand... what a waste of time! We have no more dishwashing liquid and I am sick and tired of it! I'm sick and tired of feeling guilty about wasting liquid handwashing dish detergent! I wish there was a place called a dishmat for a solution! I just about wasted an entire bottle of it... yet they didn't get cleaned! I'm done dealing with dirty sponges which is very unsanitary! I would like to see a bunch of modern dishwashers in a room which has a bunch of dishwasher detergents and rinse aids to choose from! There should at least a coin box or better yet a credit/debit card machine to get my dishes cleaned and dry for a dollar per load! Plus, I could smell Cascade complete citrus breeze detergent and rinse aid in the warm damp air! What do you think? What suggestions would you make? I would like to know.
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Problem is:
Dirty laundry can be stored practicly anywhere. It might smell a bit unclean after several days, but put them away in a bucket, basket or even a seperate place in your closet and nobody will notice them.
Then, every week or 2, you take a whole bunch of laundry to the laundromat. As they are easyliy stored in a bag or basket, transporting is easy and they don't weigh a ton.
With dishes, you'd have to store them somewhere as it is unpractial to go to the "dishmat" after every single meal. The only place I can imagine storing dirty dishes is - guess what - a dishwasher.
If you try to get it somewhat economical for a customer to use tha service, they would have to store their dishes in still dirty condition for 4+ days. That not only smells, but probably is more unhygenic then any sponge.
Now you have to transport those heavy, fragile items several miles probably. Without getting any soil of your dishes onto you or your car seats\ on the bus seats.
Further, DW need more attendance then washers. Most German laundromats I know are controlled by their owner. They come arround once a day (usually in the evening, before rush hour) to check the store and get the money. Once a week, they vacuum and clean the floor, clean fluff filters (some do this every day) and clean washers.
A commercial dishwasher needs thourough cleaning every day (checking spray arms, cleaning filters etc.) plus is more demanding in terms of chemicals (if a laundromat user overdoses, the washer usually just completes it cycle with badly rinsed clothes; if a DW is run with hand washing detergent, it usually ends up as a pretty big mess).
I doubt there is a high demand for such a facility. Especially with compact and mobile DW.
Oh, and 1$ is probably beyond doable for the owner.
Funny your profile mentions you have 2 DW.
If you use this much liquid detergent for hand washing, you are doing something wrong. At least if I got you rigjt and you use one bottle of detergent for one wash up. We usually need about a bottle per month.
Usually, I start by pre scraping everything. Pans and pots and such get a short rinse, are then (if soiled) filled half with some water and bit of detergent and set on the cooktop on lowest heat to soak. If the water starts steaming, turn them of.
While they soak, you fill the sink with enough hot water and a teaspoon of detergent usually. Now, wash the dishes, cuttlery etc. in that water. Start with plastics and glasses and cups (usally less soiled) and move on to plates, cuttlery and other more heavy soiled things. So, work from low to high soil level.
You can rinse them if you feel the need to, but usually that is not necessary.
After you finished washing all the dishes, grab the things you set to soak. Pour the soaking water into you washing water first so you don't hurt you self and then start scrubbing them. Usually, the hot water and high concentration of detergent work really well and things are easy to clean.
Of course it takes long, but nothing unsual in most parts of the world.
And if you are scared by dirty sponges and clothes: Wet it up, put it in your microwave for 1 minute and you should be mor then safe. Works with woodden cutting bords (or cutting bords in general) as well: Wet, microwave, rinse.
My suggestion to you would be a compact countertop unit. They can be usually carried by one person fairly easy. Store it in a cupboard or closet, get it out when needed, hook up to you sink. When done, drain and store again.
Dirty laundry can be stored practicly anywhere. It might smell a bit unclean after several days, but put them away in a bucket, basket or even a seperate place in your closet and nobody will notice them.
Then, every week or 2, you take a whole bunch of laundry to the laundromat. As they are easyliy stored in a bag or basket, transporting is easy and they don't weigh a ton.
With dishes, you'd have to store them somewhere as it is unpractial to go to the "dishmat" after every single meal. The only place I can imagine storing dirty dishes is - guess what - a dishwasher.
If you try to get it somewhat economical for a customer to use tha service, they would have to store their dishes in still dirty condition for 4+ days. That not only smells, but probably is more unhygenic then any sponge.
Now you have to transport those heavy, fragile items several miles probably. Without getting any soil of your dishes onto you or your car seats\ on the bus seats.
Further, DW need more attendance then washers. Most German laundromats I know are controlled by their owner. They come arround once a day (usually in the evening, before rush hour) to check the store and get the money. Once a week, they vacuum and clean the floor, clean fluff filters (some do this every day) and clean washers.
A commercial dishwasher needs thourough cleaning every day (checking spray arms, cleaning filters etc.) plus is more demanding in terms of chemicals (if a laundromat user overdoses, the washer usually just completes it cycle with badly rinsed clothes; if a DW is run with hand washing detergent, it usually ends up as a pretty big mess).
I doubt there is a high demand for such a facility. Especially with compact and mobile DW.
Oh, and 1$ is probably beyond doable for the owner.
Funny your profile mentions you have 2 DW.
If you use this much liquid detergent for hand washing, you are doing something wrong. At least if I got you rigjt and you use one bottle of detergent for one wash up. We usually need about a bottle per month.
Usually, I start by pre scraping everything. Pans and pots and such get a short rinse, are then (if soiled) filled half with some water and bit of detergent and set on the cooktop on lowest heat to soak. If the water starts steaming, turn them of.
While they soak, you fill the sink with enough hot water and a teaspoon of detergent usually. Now, wash the dishes, cuttlery etc. in that water. Start with plastics and glasses and cups (usally less soiled) and move on to plates, cuttlery and other more heavy soiled things. So, work from low to high soil level.
You can rinse them if you feel the need to, but usually that is not necessary.
After you finished washing all the dishes, grab the things you set to soak. Pour the soaking water into you washing water first so you don't hurt you self and then start scrubbing them. Usually, the hot water and high concentration of detergent work really well and things are easy to clean.
Of course it takes long, but nothing unsual in most parts of the world.
And if you are scared by dirty sponges and clothes: Wet it up, put it in your microwave for 1 minute and you should be mor then safe. Works with woodden cutting bords (or cutting bords in general) as well: Wet, microwave, rinse.
My suggestion to you would be a compact countertop unit. They can be usually carried by one person fairly easy. Store it in a cupboard or closet, get it out when needed, hook up to you sink. When done, drain and store again.
mamapinky
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Henrik, I have a question, what kind of hand dishwashing detergent do you use that isn't necessary to rinse? Wouldn't the dishware have soap residue?
Jerome, why don't you use your dishwashers? And wow do you really use an entire bottle of hand dishwashing detergent per load? Or did I read you wrong..cheryl
Jerome, why don't you use your dishwashers? And wow do you really use an entire bottle of hand dishwashing detergent per load? Or did I read you wrong..cheryl
We use Palmolive liquid dishwashing detergent for hand washing.
We never rinsed them. Neither did we have the set up to do so, nor did we ever do dishes without drying them right away with a towel. If I hand wash a glas, I never get any suds if I fill it with water. So, I guess its perfectly fine.
We never rinsed them. Neither did we have the set up to do so, nor did we ever do dishes without drying them right away with a towel. If I hand wash a glas, I never get any suds if I fill it with water. So, I guess its perfectly fine.
Interesting that no one has crapped their pants from using the dishes, flatware or glasses.
What are you trying to say?
I can say I am perfectly healty (at least in terms of physical health), so are both of my brothers, my parents and (at least not affected in that matter) my grandparents.
Knowing that 3-4ml of detergent are dissolved in 4-5L of water (which is about 0,1% concentration), then spread over pretty big areas and removed mostly by wiping of or dripping of, the amounts left over are minimal. And transfer into food is limited as well.
Just like rinse aid in DW: A poison maybe deadly, but the dose still takes the cake.
And the last thing detergent left over is causing is diarrhea. Seriously. If it could be somewhat dangerous to humans if used in this (not uncommon) way to do dishes by hand here in Germany, it would most likely be not on the market due to EU regulations or stuff like that.
And in all honesty: You know that way of putting is kind of rude? At least I consider it to be.
I can say I am perfectly healty (at least in terms of physical health), so are both of my brothers, my parents and (at least not affected in that matter) my grandparents.
Knowing that 3-4ml of detergent are dissolved in 4-5L of water (which is about 0,1% concentration), then spread over pretty big areas and removed mostly by wiping of or dripping of, the amounts left over are minimal. And transfer into food is limited as well.
Just like rinse aid in DW: A poison maybe deadly, but the dose still takes the cake.
And the last thing detergent left over is causing is diarrhea. Seriously. If it could be somewhat dangerous to humans if used in this (not uncommon) way to do dishes by hand here in Germany, it would most likely be not on the market due to EU regulations or stuff like that.
And in all honesty: You know that way of putting is kind of rude? At least I consider it to be.
I do use a dishwasher.
FYI, I do use the dishwasher... which by the way saves me time, water and energy! It's just the dishes I.E. pots and pans that aren't dishwasher safe that I have to... sigh! wash by hand unfortunately! When my dorm gets a kitchenette, I'm going to get a dishwasher! No ifs, ands, or buts about it! Besides, I'm not convinced that washing dishes by hand is effective! Not even close! And no! I don't see how a tablespoon of dish soap will work, nor heating up a sponge in the microwave! I am not even convinced about washing dishes by hand being effective, nor hygienic not to mention efficient! I can't see how I'm doing anything wrong! When I use the dishwasher, I control how much detergent I should use, which is the correct amount I should add! I have had the dawn dish soap with the pump and it took 20-40 something pumps to get the greasy and heavily soiled pots and pans cleaned! Bottom line: If I want a set of dishes... I need to get a dishwasher! Either a portable or countertop dishwasher! No way will I be washing dishes by hand! I'm sick and tired of wasting dishwashing liquid and time as well as water and energy! I could understand if dishmats were built in to an apartment building or be down the street! I wish there were dishware baskets on wheels that could be able to fit in the car and store dirty dishes safely! There needs to be dishmats with not just oversized and regular sized dishwashers but dishcart washers too so you could wash the cart that you just put your dirty dishes in! If I ever wash dishes, I'm going to start the dishwasher exclusively from now on! And yes! I do use the dishwashers that I have!
FYI, I do use the dishwasher... which by the way saves me time, water and energy! It's just the dishes I.E. pots and pans that aren't dishwasher safe that I have to... sigh! wash by hand unfortunately! When my dorm gets a kitchenette, I'm going to get a dishwasher! No ifs, ands, or buts about it! Besides, I'm not convinced that washing dishes by hand is effective! Not even close! And no! I don't see how a tablespoon of dish soap will work, nor heating up a sponge in the microwave! I am not even convinced about washing dishes by hand being effective, nor hygienic not to mention efficient! I can't see how I'm doing anything wrong! When I use the dishwasher, I control how much detergent I should use, which is the correct amount I should add! I have had the dawn dish soap with the pump and it took 20-40 something pumps to get the greasy and heavily soiled pots and pans cleaned! Bottom line: If I want a set of dishes... I need to get a dishwasher! Either a portable or countertop dishwasher! No way will I be washing dishes by hand! I'm sick and tired of wasting dishwashing liquid and time as well as water and energy! I could understand if dishmats were built in to an apartment building or be down the street! I wish there were dishware baskets on wheels that could be able to fit in the car and store dirty dishes safely! There needs to be dishmats with not just oversized and regular sized dishwashers but dishcart washers too so you could wash the cart that you just put your dirty dishes in! If I ever wash dishes, I'm going to start the dishwasher exclusively from now on! And yes! I do use the dishwashers that I have!
being guilty about wasting handwashing dish detergent
What I was trying to say was... I'm completely sick and tired of wasting handwashing dish detergent all the time! a heavily soiled frying pan didn't even come clean with just a pump of Dawn! Even with all that scrubbing I did with that disgusting sponge just made the situation worse which... again... forced me to use 20-40 pumps of Dawn even down to the entire bottle of it which didn't even get sudsy at all! I have tried soaking the frying pans... zero results! I tried heating the sponge for a minute... Zero results! I've even tried heating a pot of water and dumping it into the wash water... Zero results! I even washed a couple of wooden spoons only to find myself using 20-40 pumps of dawn again! After doing all these things the sponge had yucky dirty food and germs into it making it worse! No! Not even using the hard side of a sponge didn't even cut it! I've had to change the water a thousand times due to that dirty water in the sink! Shame on me for not listening to what my experience was telling me! Washing dishes by hand doesn't save water... it just wastes it! I just... I don't... Like I said I'm definitely restricted to the dishwasher! Wasting handwashing dish detergent and water and I'm sick and tired of it!
What I was trying to say was... I'm completely sick and tired of wasting handwashing dish detergent all the time! a heavily soiled frying pan didn't even come clean with just a pump of Dawn! Even with all that scrubbing I did with that disgusting sponge just made the situation worse which... again... forced me to use 20-40 pumps of Dawn even down to the entire bottle of it which didn't even get sudsy at all! I have tried soaking the frying pans... zero results! I tried heating the sponge for a minute... Zero results! I've even tried heating a pot of water and dumping it into the wash water... Zero results! I even washed a couple of wooden spoons only to find myself using 20-40 pumps of dawn again! After doing all these things the sponge had yucky dirty food and germs into it making it worse! No! Not even using the hard side of a sponge didn't even cut it! I've had to change the water a thousand times due to that dirty water in the sink! Shame on me for not listening to what my experience was telling me! Washing dishes by hand doesn't save water... it just wastes it! I just... I don't... Like I said I'm definitely restricted to the dishwasher! Wasting handwashing dish detergent and water and I'm sick and tired of it!
I have my filters off tonight so I'm not going to say anything else.
I'm still not convinced...
Henene4, I'm still not convinced that washing dishes by hand saves water nor gets dishes clean nor sanitized. In my last post I've written on this thread, I've done all the things and have gotten zero results! My experience taught me that washing dishes in the dishwasher saves water and is very effective. Plus, I've done some research that confirmed what my experience has told me. I hate to break it to you, but washing dishes by hand doesn't work at all! That's why I wish there was a dish-mat to wash dishes!
Henene4, I'm still not convinced that washing dishes by hand saves water nor gets dishes clean nor sanitized. In my last post I've written on this thread, I've done all the things and have gotten zero results! My experience taught me that washing dishes in the dishwasher saves water and is very effective. Plus, I've done some research that confirmed what my experience has told me. I hate to break it to you, but washing dishes by hand doesn't work at all! That's why I wish there was a dish-mat to wash dishes!
mamapinky
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Welll. Now darn it, I'm not confused. How much grease is in that frying pan you can't get clean with all that dawn? I doubt there will ever be a public dishmat. Just put the frying pan in your dishwasher. H3 !! If it was me I'd throw the pan away, doesn't seem like any skillet is worth that much work. Guess I shouldn't ask but, you are using hot water right?
Yes... water is hot!
The water is hot but... regardless it doesn't even work! I have to turn down the temperature of the water because everybody's hands, mine included can't even handle really hot water for the entire time! Now I have absolutely no Dawn left at all! Had to use a ton of it to get greasy and stuck on food off of the skillet which isn't dishwasher safe! All the sponge did was spread the dirtiness around with that moldy used stuff that was used in it! I must have bad luck when washing dishes by hand! If I had the chance I would create a Laundromat style dish-mat with a bunch of dishwashers in it! And yes! the dishwasher will have windows as well as detergent and rinse aid dispensers on top! Better yet they should be dispensed automatically! I will be able to do multiple loads of dishes at once!
The water is hot but... regardless it doesn't even work! I have to turn down the temperature of the water because everybody's hands, mine included can't even handle really hot water for the entire time! Now I have absolutely no Dawn left at all! Had to use a ton of it to get greasy and stuck on food off of the skillet which isn't dishwasher safe! All the sponge did was spread the dirtiness around with that moldy used stuff that was used in it! I must have bad luck when washing dishes by hand! If I had the chance I would create a Laundromat style dish-mat with a bunch of dishwashers in it! And yes! the dishwasher will have windows as well as detergent and rinse aid dispensers on top! Better yet they should be dispensed automatically! I will be able to do multiple loads of dishes at once!
There is this Czech campingsite that has a dishwasher for the guests:
http://www.campingbucek.cz/en/news/new-dishwasher-for-our-guests
http://www.campingbucek.cz/en/news/new-dishwasher-for-our-guests
Have you tried soaking in hot water with a squirt of dawn?
What on earth are you cooking in your pots and pans that always leaves something burnt?
What on earth are you cooking in your pots and pans that always leaves something burnt?
You are Tongue in cheeky in your post I hope...
Buy non stick dishwasher safe pots and pans and wash them in the DW...learn to use washable reusable silicon liners in all of your oven pans so there is little to nothing that needs scrubbing
Buy non stick dishwasher safe pots and pans and wash them in the DW...learn to use washable reusable silicon liners in all of your oven pans so there is little to nothing that needs scrubbing
When I hand wash and rinse dishes I do it under running hot water and I don't bother with filling the sink. A dishwasher does a much better job of it and I only hand wash items that either don't fit in the dish machine or aren't suitable for automated washing. Not rinsing dishes after washing is not so nice. I've seen people wash pots, pans and a dinner setting for 4 or more in one bowl of warm water and without rinsing them off. By the time they get to the glasses the water is tepid with grease and stuff floating around in it, yuck! It might not kill you, but it's also not so nice. To me it compares with those people who own and use a vacuum cleaner, but who never ever empty the dust bag. They are satisfied with the noise and the action of moving the vac across the floor, yet fail to check if their floors are actually being cleaned. If people don't want to rinse their dishes because they imagine that they are doing something good so be it. As long as they keep their noses out of my kitchen sink, don't mandate dish washing by hand and no rinsing, I don't have a problem.
My advice for Jerome's dish washing blues - I would hate to have to use a communal dishwasher, knowing what I know about how 'other' people handle equipment (that they don't own). Pigs are cleaner, trust me on that one. If you can't handle hot water get a pair of decent washing up gloves, they will insulate your hands from the heat. Or save some money and get a compact counter top dishwasher for your own, private use.
My advice for Jerome's dish washing blues - I would hate to have to use a communal dishwasher, knowing what I know about how 'other' people handle equipment (that they don't own). Pigs are cleaner, trust me on that one. If you can't handle hot water get a pair of decent washing up gloves, they will insulate your hands from the heat. Or save some money and get a compact counter top dishwasher for your own, private use.
mamapinky
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Well this is the most confusing posts I've ever read, or am I in the Twilight Zone. Things I want to say, but will just bite my fingers.
murando531
Well-known member
??????
How did you just say...
Nevermind.
How did you just say...
Nevermind.
I'm more than confuzeled myself..
