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If everyone was like me, Speed Queen would have a booming dishwasher market. They'd either buy, license or have to replicate the Whirlpool Power Clean Filter module.

 

The machines would be built around Speed for average loads, just like the name implies. 
 
Speed Queen Design

Or, they could make a design that's better than any other wash system combined. Their number is 1-800-552-5475. I already called them yesterday. I think we should flood the lines and suggest they'd start building dishwashers that are better than the competition. Too many people are sick and tired of shoddy dishwashers and I'm one of them.
 
If everyone was like me their phone lines would crash, their Emails jammed and mail coming in van after van with people asking them to build a no-nonsense dishwasher. Speed Queen would have to publicly announce in days "We heard, we listened, we will start building dishwashers to our reputation ASAP. Now we ask that we have our email, phones and mail back LOL. :) Thank you everyone for chiming in, it was a pleasure to witness such mass societal confidence in our brand Speed Queen"   

 

 

Speed Queen dishwashers would last 30 years on average.
 
chetlaham

Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Too many people are so sick and tired of dishwashers lasting so short of an amount of time. They want dishwashers that will take on anything year after shiny year, rain, snow or warm shine. Holidays and big gatherings especially. Let's jam the phone lines and make it clear that they should start producing dishwashers! I don't care about fancy stylish features. I want a no nonsense dishwasher! At Speed Queen, we now have dishwashers and produce them the same way we do our laundry. More and more people would start flocking to them. Smooth ride racks, very powerful pump, the sturdiest 1 horsepower motor on the market, and an efficient heater that is very powerful and our super wash spray arms. All stainless steel. I could go on. And, also built to dishomat specs.
 
to chetlaham

I don't care about fancy features. I just want clean dishes! Speed Queen Home, it's time for you to start considering producing dishwashers! How hard is it to ask for clean dishes? Speed Queen Home consumers don't care about fancy features. I don't! I want a no nonsense dishwasher!
 
Why can’t you get a portable Powerclean?? I know you love the Bosch but I also know you love that too. The portable models are usually in the best condition still anyway. The way you worded that is so hilarious to me “how hard is it to ask for clean dishes?”. Like you’re not getting clean dishes from that Bosch? But I know what you mean…in other words you meant “we’re allowed to have laundry products from your company but what about dishes? Can’t we have a machine that washes our dishes from your company too?”. Speed queen is only focused on laundry products the chances of them expanding to new appliances is low. It could be cool, but I really doubt they’ll ever make dishwashers.

Also I’ve been wanting to say Jerome, you request a lot of videos from other channels why don’t you start some videos on this Bosch of yours? There are little to zero videos on older Bosch machines on YouTube. It’s always the newer ones. That would be great for you to do and think of your own concepts of what to film on it.
 
asking for clean dishes

Most new dishwashers just sprits them with puny pumps for 2-3 hours on an average normal cycle, and still leave foods left behind. That's what I mean by having a dishwasher that actually washes dishes. None of this stupid nonsense you see on flashy models.
 
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Jerome, people sadly are asleep. The greater mass of the public will not trade capacity and inaudible quiet for a machine that actually cleans in a short amount of time. Speed Queen will essentially have to produce a new tall tub to appease to the masses, and in a market saturated with tall tubs the financial risk for Speed Queen would be much to great. Penetration will be a gamble, and just one flaw be it Speed Queen or something beyond their control (such as a supplier) will ruin the name. People will not see any advantage on the sales floor over existing tall tubs even if their are any.  

 

 

If everyone were like me the tall tubs would not have sold for long when they hit the market. Not the Maytag/Jenn-Air MDB9750s nor Pointvoyagers. GE would have been hit so hard with lawsuits and take-back demands for their leaking and cleaning disaster post 95 Potscrubbers. Dura-wash would have brought Whirlpool ear bashings. However, Powercleans would have taken off from their previous peak reaching the bulk of all buys. So much so Whirlpool would have made BOL builder grade models to TOL touch screens power-cleans. Others like GE would have had to follow suit if they wanted to compete. People would be running their own cake tests, their own particle tests, and their own soil handling tests. Their own bob load tests. Put a frosted cake in the machine, half a cup of coffee grounds, some baked on cookware, and a minced salad in the bottom of the machine. People would be amp clamping and watt metering the drive motor. If it doesn't all disappear at the end of the cycle then its not a practical dishwasher.

 

People would also be demanding things like double water valves and long life shaft seals. Stainless steal drain check valves that can't break off. Metal case timers. Nylon racks. Fan assisted drying.   

 

Parts would be plentiful and available on the sales floor.  For $155 you would be able to buy a new in-box replacement power clean module pump complete with assembly, seal, motor, start relay, and adaptation accessories. It was sad when Kenmore Ultra Cleans had to be thrown out because the pump seal leaked.

 

 

These would be available everywhere to the point Amazon would be overflowing with Chinese knockoffs as they are today with water valves and DD pumps.   

 

 

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[this post was last edited: 2/6/2025-16:46]
 
chetlaham

Absolutely. Speed Queen Dishwashers could be standard tubs that fill with plenty of water while being efficient at the same time just like Whirlpool power clean models were. Too many people are bamboozled by tall tubs and quieter operations. The Whirlpool point voyager should've been my first clue. If Speed Queen made a tall tub, it would be EVEN better than anybody and everybody else. How hard is it to ask for just clean dishes? I don't care about flashy stupid crap. motorized arms, tiny pumps, and flashy electronics just add too many problems. Please add what you don't like about new flashy models. The pumps are too weak and they sound like toys. I want a big beefy pump with a cooling fan.
 
Jerome, now your thinking! You're a breath of fresh air in a world where people are afraid to think for themselves while taking everything at face value instead of being able to see the whole picture. If you want a dishwasher that actually cleans well while being energy efficient you need a large motor and a large module to process food soils. That takes space requiring a standard tub design. Not many people are willing to go back, even though you could absolutely jam pack a power clean and have everything come out clean. Tall tubs, not so much. I don't see those being able to handle things practically stacked on top of one another.

 

 

Tall tubs are to complex with to many things to fail, to difficult or impractical to service, and in an effort to save space with finicky connectors that have resulted in so many fires and recalls the NFPA's code making panel members have on record admitted AFCI and GFCI requirements are being expanded to major appliances because loose and overheated connections are a normal end of life failure mode.

 

Think about it Jerome. You have a product that is so poorly designed, that is so ridiculously impractical, consumers have to pay for code mandates to prevent their home from burning down. What is being saved with tall tubs? Nothing. Not the environment, not pockets, not life and property. But it sure does increase profit across several major manufacturing divisions.   
 
tall tubs

Don't forget that tall tub dishwashers use weak pumps and fancy arms. If Speed Queen Dishwashers were tall tub models that were better than anybody else, what would it feature? I think they could capitalize on the dishomat market. And I bet they will have a sensor cycle unlike any other.
 
For a tall tub Speed Queen they'd have to cram a large motor and module in a very small, thin area. I'm not sure how well it could be done. The pump would also have to deal with shallow water conditions as a powerful high volume pump would leave more water in the air causing the shallow sump to dry up. So something like a real time variable speed motor might be needed. The door would also have to make a good seal/deflection system at the bottom since the water's violent sloshing could cause water to spill out the bottom. My understanding is that modern tall tubs cycle the motor after the door is opened and closed because the expanding cold air could push water up and over the bottom of the door. 

 

 

Tall tubs require a lot of logic, systems and design elements deal with the engineering challenges that come up with try to drop a dishwasher tub and door to the floor.
 
Speed Queen Tall Tub Dishwasher Pump Motor

Maybe, they could offset the pump and motor and add a deep sump and somehowe engineer it where the machine won't cavitate, even when the floor of the dishwasher is barely covered. They'll have to put the pump intake further down where the actual floor is, closer to the back where water tends to pool more. Pretty much towards the back. What are your ideas?
 
IMHO, it won't be enough to replicate that true power-clean volume and pressure. You need water, you need a deep sump, and you did a big motor. 

 

Of course, they could improvise and do what you say coming up with something that offers a power clean experience half way (ish), but such an engineering breath is a big for a virgin dishware company. 
 
deep sump

Exactly! Very well said! Speed Queen Home could build a tall tub dishwasher the pump intake is deep in the bottom of the sump, allowing for water pressure to be constant. Also, the Speed Queen dishwasher could have a huge main wash pump and a smaller drain pump.right in the front where the toe kick is but could cover the entire bottom of the tub for that big motor. Believe me, if you ran a Speed Queen Dishwasher with the door open, water would just start shooting from everywhere. They would have no problem getting dishes clean, even when dishwasher detergents froth.
What would Speed Queen Spray Arms look and feel like? How many jets? Oh, and the wash pump would run the food chopper with 8 blades made of stainless steel.
 

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