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jakeseacrest

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I don't know if this has been done before, but what does everyone prefer:
Batch feed or continuous?
Removable splash guard or permanent?

I have always had continuous feed, but have used a few batch feeds. Prefer continuous for the convenience.

I have had only one disposer with a removable guard and did not like it at all. My ISE 777ss came with both.
 
Apartment GEs in the 80s came with removable. 2 good things. One, you can get your hand in to remove dropped objects or ungrindables. Two, you can take the thing out and scrub it. Guards really get grungy underneath. I also liked the GE's speed. It's a brush motor, much faster than an ISE 1725rpm. Also the chamber is entirely stainless, where most ISEs are galvanized.

However I've had ISEs for 20 years. Never really liked them, they came with the house. I don't even know if GE is still in the disposer business or still making them like the old ones.
 
GE gave up the disposer business by the early 1980's. They contract Anaheim manufacturing to put their logo on their units. GE called them the "Thoroughbreds." ha

The Annaheim units (Franke, GE, Waste King, SinkMaster and many others) use a permanent magnet motor. Around 2800 rpm.

The GE unit you spoke of Arbilab, had an 8,000 rpm series wound motor (with brushes) as opposed to ISE induction motors.

GE contracted Annaheim for a brief time to bring these units back, and they were advertised by GE as "They're Back!" This was in the late eighties and early nineties. They then dropped the series motor design, again, Now they just let the assembly line workers slap a GE logo on straight Annaheim units.

Too bad, that series motor develops more torque at slower speeds and other than the noise, made a pretty unique and effective disposer, to say the least. Under heavy loads it will not give up and stall as easily as an induction motor, It, as I always say, will fight the load all the way until the built in breaker cuts out to protect the unit. They can stall, but at stall it is drawing maximum current and
providing maximum torque. A typical induction motor is providing maximum torque at full speed.

Series would motors would rather destroy themself rather than give up on a load! They also pull more amps as they battle. The change in speed with load is very apparent in the original GE series disposers.

The removable guard is nice, as you can take them out and clean them, as you say.

I have a 1978 GE Induction batch feed. I had it installed for a while. The batch feed is cool. Maybe a little less convenient if you have sink full of garbage as you have to stop and reload several times. However, with the cover locked down in the run position you don't have to worry about a lot of bone fragments, etc. flying out.

Batch feeds are also nice if you are adding a disposer to an older house. You don't have to go to the difficulty of installing a wall switch and runnning wires to it. So they were more popular with remodelers, in the days before they had air switches for disposer installation.

Now, to be fair with ISE, they do use stainless on their upper line models.
The old GE's (the ones actually manufactured by GE) used all stainless (hopper, turntable, cutter and impellers) even in their lowest line models.
 
ISE Evolutions

When my partner and I needed a new garbage disposal to replace an old BOL Badger model, I was wary about buying another ISE model. But after looking at the lineup, we decided on the Evolution Compact. For an extra $40 over the most expensive Badger, it provides very quiet operation and a stainless steel chamber. It quickly disposes of the normal garbage with dispatch--haven't yet tried it on bones, however. And its compact design fits nicely under a crowded sink.
As for your question, I prefer continuous feed since I grew up with Waste Kings as a boy. And while I would rather have a removable splash guard, the fixed guard has proven to be adequate so far.
 
Thanks Barry. That explains a great deal about GE. Do they actually make ANYthing any more? I know you could buy my Frigiwhite FL with a GE logo on it.

8000 eh? No wonder it went through lime rinds like the ISE goes through spaghetti. Nothing but plate scraps or vegetable peels (potato, carrot) goes down the ISE. And talk about noise? This ISE thing rattles the whole sink, even empty. I didn't know an induction motor could BE that loud.
 
Please note-on the GE universal motored disposers-the motor does slow down when water and waste put in the machine-but nonetheless-faster than induction motor and slower PM motored machines.what I miss most of GE disposers-is their Carboloy shredders-those would shred ANYTHING thrown in.I have used GE disposers that had Carboloy cutters in both universal motor and induction motor machines.the carboloy shredders contibuted to their overall effectiveness.After all-Carboloy or similar cabide cutters are used in many very large waste shredders!As far as disposers now seems like only two major builders of them-ISE and Aneheim-now Aneheim is making their machines in China-at least ISE still proudly builds theirs in the US.
 
Arbilab, is your In-Sink-Erator very old?

It should not be vibrating like that under no load. that usually means that the turntable is out of balance. Sometimes one of the impellers will come loose or even come off.

Barry
 
Batch, Batch, Batch

Maytag with a reversing lid, one side starts the disposal and the other side is the sink stopper.  Easy to use, no slopped up walls reaching for a switch and huge appetite.  The sales demo showed it chewing up 16 penny nails.  Never a better disposer.
 
Barry, I have had 3 of them and they all made the same loud growl. Even a brand new one.

Note that ISE has absolutely nothing sharp in the chamber. They rely entirely upon friction/violence. A lime rind that might go down one of those old GEs in 30 seconds would take 3 minutes in an ISE.

But I suppose that's irrelevant to the original question, as you can no longer buy "one of those old GEs".
 
I have the Kenmore version on that disposer. It has a reversing feature. It's the best one I ever had. It has never jammed. It came with a two piece stopper. To go along with this thread, I prefer continuous feed models.
 
I've been thinking of getting a new disposer and have narrowed it down to 2 choices if the time comes:
Waste King 9940 3 Bolt Mount or ISE Evolution Essential or Compact.

Pros WK: Fixed splash guard, fine grinding, fast rpms, price
Cons WK: changing the current ISE mount, motor noise similar to ge, sink master, and anaheim disposers

Pros ISE: keeping the current ISE mount, 2 grind levels, quiet
Cons ISE: removable splash guard

Decisions, decisions :(

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currently-Maytag disposers are now made by ISE.The old Maytag design is no more.viking disposers are another choice-but expensive.They have the cast shred rings and turntables with the Stainless steel impeller shredding tips.the flywheel in viking-older KA machines is serrated to act as an undercutter-the shred ring extends below these serrations to aid in the shredding action-waste is ground even finer-good for septic tank users-but these can shred more slowly-takes more time and water.Nowadays there isn't as wide of choice of disposer makers as there used to be.the ISE machines have a more durable motor than the WK disposers.those have brushes and a rectifier-they can fail under very heavy shredding.I have had this happen.and another note for Viking old KA disposers-don't turn it off until it is done shredding-waste can jam the serrated flywheel and shred ring.
 
My garbage disposal is a rather "wimpy Whirlpool", that is, aside from it probably not being the pristine brand it used to be (also that's very contrary to my refrigerator, a CONQUEST Side X Side), it is a fairly bottom-line unit: noisy and not as deservedly powerful as the myriad ISE Badgers, common under most sinks (our apartment had one--& quite as rugged as all-get-out!)

My parents had a series of ISE's, which always got conveniently delivered any time theirs broke--with the exception of one DAYTON disposal; always looked under the sink to see "what's new?"... There is to this day, an old HOTPOINT "safety switch", right behind it; wonder if that counts...

These days, I rarely include "disposals" and even microwaves in my drawings of "boxes w/ knobs" which were "appliances people had in their houses I had seen" (even made "circles & oval shapes", designating light bulbs), in my spare time, though it's not been for a long time since I have done such, and when not drawing the actual appliances & I had quite a portfolio of "galleries" going...

Back to topic, I have probably only ONCE seen a batch-feed garbage disposal in action & I'm trying to think if it had even been in real-life, or maybe I'd seen on TV; I'm mostly relating to the mostly common continuous-feed's, in my post...

Only ONE G/D is recommended by Charles Klamkin in how "How To" book, and that's a GE FA 600, or something like that...

-- Daved
 
Badgers are tough--as a joke used one in an apartment to shred a WHOLE 813 vacuum tube---it ate the WHOLE thing!!!For a cheap disposer-builders model-they are not too bad.That Badger shuddered and shook the sink-but swallowed that BAD 813 that came out of an AM transmitter.Bet it was interesting sometime down the line the apartment building engineer found shredded tube parts in the building clean out point!
 
Malcolm,

I have the exact disposal in my kitchen now. In the shot below you'll see the General Electric "Pirahnna" that's in the kitchenette in the lower level of the house.

What's the KitchenAid (ISE) like? Virtues: very quiet, even quiter than my pre-ISE Viking (which actually has a loud motor hum) and quieter than the ISE/Sears Elite that I had.

Under no load, and with the water running, it's sometimes difficult to know if the unit is even on, it's so quiet. While it is grinding, it can be quiet. The problem is it gets out of balance very easily. Even moreso than the Annaheim units I've had, which were notorious for getting out of balance.

Insinkerator put two "rind flippers" near the center of the turntable. Yes, they do the job and you have less trouble of rinds getting on the turntable upside down and just going for a ride. However, things get caught on these.

Paper towels and napkins are the worst. Evertime (and I do mena everytime) I put one it it gets hung up on a rind flipper and throws the whole unit out of balance and it vibrates the unit as well as the sink. Sometimes banana peels will do this too.

If you continue to put other wastes in, they will usually knock it off and you are fine. If not, you have to turn the disposal off, then on again so it will reverse. This often (but not always) will cause the little bugger to fly off the flipper.

This has nothing to do with grinding ability. Once the towel is off the flipper it grinds them up more quickly than most of the disposers I have had (and I've had a lot of them!)

Other than that little out of balance quirk, it's a very fast grinder for most everything beside paper towels, too. No it can't compare with a series wound GE, but nothing can. But it is good and fast, and guiet, when in balance. Chicken bones go nearly instantly, as in the GE. Pork chop bones, fairly quickly, but the series wound GE is wicked (and unbeatable) for making pork chop bones disappear, so its unfair to compare. Nevertheless, the KitchenAid makes quick work of them without a lot of noise.

Corn cobs and watermelons rinds don't even raise a sweat and gets rid of these rapidly. I had some large potatoes, that had started to go bad and the rind flipper took care of these and put them in a position to grind right away. Sometimes, in other disposers, large whole items like potatoes or oranges will bounce for a while before they get into the proper orientation for grinding.


I like the large opening into the hopper. The GE's are small and you have to push food through the stiff splash guard with some effort. The Annaheims, with the quick mount collars,are even smaller.

The ISE/KitchenAid now has a removable splash guard. Even with this, the opening is still large enough and the guard pliable enough, that it takes little effort to push garbage through. This is my favorite feature.

So yes, Malcom, if you can put up with frequent imbalance, it's a very nice unit. Fast, quiet and (according to CU) finely sized grounds that won't stop up older plumbing. Go for it! You'll love it.

BTW, Before everyone jumps on me for grinding up paper towels and napkins. No, it will not stop up your plumbing and it is not hard on the disposer. If your plumbing stops up, you have defective plumbing. I also occasionally use the disposer as a shredder and grind up bank card statements, etc.

The thing I like about grinding up paper towels and napkins is that it makes a mass in the disposer that flings around the hopper and wipes the inside of it shiny clean and removes food wastes and odors. I don't like putting wet or greasy paper towels in the trash, nor other organic materials, and it can provide a breeding ground for odors, bacteria, maggots and flies in the trash.

I have heard more wives tales about disposers than any other appliance, even dishwashers.

You know what ISE uses to test their disposers for durability? Steer bones and wooden blocks. Originally it was steer bones and most recently they started using square cut, uniformly cut, blocks of hardwood. Some of you may have seen the "This Old House" episode where they visisted the ISE factory and they were doing product testing.

Very interesting.

Nice to see an American company that still makes a product from scratch here in the U.S. They even make their own motors. The Old House episode showed them making the armatures and winding the fields. from humongous coils of copper wire, right there in the ISE factory.

Very interesting

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