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Growing up we had an ISE disposer and I don't remember there every being any problem with it. When we bought our first house back in Calgary I bought one, a Badger I think because it was inexpensive (something like $70) but I had numerous backups that I attributed to the drain pipe which crossed the basement not having enough of a slope, hence the grindings just piling up along inside it. Our second house in the country had a septic field so I wasn't too keen on "adding" to its load. Now I'm still a little disposer shy about putting one in this house after all the grief that other one gave me.. plus I'd have to have some electrical work done, no power under the sink :(

BTW does anyone refer to them as garburators? That's the term most people here use
 
I have about 25 or so disposer's from the 50s and up.I don't know why I was so fascinated in them as a kid.I have been collecting them for years.I have Waste king Universal,Maytag,Calloric,Induction motor Sinkmaster which is rare,National by Hobart,Viking,G.E.,and many more.The G.E. is a cool disposer I have 3 types of them the High speed 8000 R.P.M. the induction motor type with the Carboly cutter which is the hardest metal I have come across in a disposer reminds me of Tungsten or something like that.I have in my Sink right now a 1970 Wasteking SS 8000 it is one of the best disposer's I have ever used.This thing cost $299 bucks in 1970 the price tag was still  on the box.It is just a 1/2 H.P. but it has a weight under the flywheel and under cutter blades and a cast grind ring everything.It's a huge machine and never clogs my sink and will grind anything I throw at it.Old Maytags are another of my favorites they a great disposer's as are the Old G.E.s they sound like a Vitamix and perform like one also.The best part about them is there is nothing  to dull over time really.The shear speed of them is what does the work and they are so fast at grinding anything that it's very different experience when you use them compared to any other type of disposer.I can't use a Kenmore or a I.S.E. in my house otherwise it will stop up my lines bad.The new I.S.E. Excel only I can use and is a very quite disposer but kinda slow at grinding.I have a Old Kenmore that has the cast grind ring and a switch that is on the  bottom that reverses the motor,I have never used that one yet it's a neat disposer.I have batch feed disposals but I don't use them like that I just make is a continuous feed.The disposers that are out today are just junk for the most part there are a few that are not bad but they can't hold a candle to the ones I have.
 
Here is the grind chamber of that National disposer.The grind ring is sharper than they Kitchenaid and it has the a center ripper blade.I  have tested the National and it seems to grind finer than the Kitchenaid,I have no idea why but it does.When I was testing it the National ground a huge turkey bone with no problems but the Kitchenaid jammed kinda it does a back and forth thing when it gets strained to prevent a jam.

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Nice collection of disposers-I have a small collection.The ones I have used are from the homes Myself,My Mom,Dad and freinds live in-so you get a variety.If I had the money and space--another waste disposal device I like are trash trucks-esp Leach and EZ-Pack Rear loaders-they can crush just about anything you can throw into their hoppers.In the "Classic Refuse Trucks" website videos they show a Leach-Schorling 2R crushing a smaller car!Commercial establishments now use "Pulpers" to handle their food waste and food handling-packaging paper waste-its a very large high HP commercial disposer(ISE and Sonomat) make these systems-the disposer is at the "scaping" sink in the establishment.The waste -whatever is shredded in the disposer-the water is even recirculated to save on it.Then the shredded waste goes into an auger type dewatering press and compactor.the waste goes into a trash bag or can for usual disposal----think of it--if you could process waste this way-then compact it again in the trash truck-it would be so heavy it couldn't move!Many companies and even localities like these systems-it does make waste disposal cleaner.-and keeps the paper waste and fibrous waste out of the drain systems.The soluable waste goes into the drain system as before.
and "Carboloy" is a Tungsten carbide material that GE used to make their "Carboloy" lathe and milling cutters for machine shops.It is also used for cutting edges on woodworking shaper cutters,planer cutters,and sawblade teeth,circular,chain,bandsaw.
 
Guys, as you're talking about disposers, let me ask something...

I have an ISE disposer and I really don't know which model it is, I just remember it's black with some stainless steel detais on it and very big.

My question is Before it I was always used to throw some caustic soda crystals down the drain, to prevent clogs (1 tablespoon, once a month, with some hot water).

I never had any kind of clogging, before or after the disposer was installed. but after the disposer, I quit doing this, afraid of damaging the disposer.

Is it safe to throw caustic soda in the disposer?

The pipes in my building were so well designed that once my nephew trew a long neck bottle in the disposer and absolutelly nothing happened. It clogged briefly during the glass shredding process, but after a few seconds, the water drained ok like always and more than a year passed and it never cloged.

My knowledge about disposers is very low because they are completelly rare here in Brazil. only a few years ago some stores started selling them. They are very expensive (BOL ISE model costs something around 400 or 500 dollars). Mine costed the equivalent to 1500 dollars.

I just know mine is great and shreds everything, it also never got jammed because i always shred slowly and using a lot of water. Also, when i have too much things to shred, i tend to pause for about 10 minutes in the middle of the process to give it some time to cool down. After everything is done (when I have lots of things to shred) i put the drain plug, fill the sink with water, turn it on and pull the plug to let a lot of water go into it at the same time, to rinse it.

Am I doing the right things?
 
NO!!!!! Never put any caustic soda or any Drain cleaner in a sink with a disposer.Now you can put it in the sink that does not have the disposer in it but be very careful and I don't really advise that.Lye will ruin your disposer and eat it up it will ruin the seals in the disposer and the steel in it.It will ruin any disposer even the best of them.I.S.E. disposer's are not my favorite unless there the old types with the Cast flywheel,Cast grind ring and the fixed hammer's.I don't use any drain cleaners in my disposer's at all.I do put rock salt and Ice down it and a little dishwasher detergent and run it but that is it.That will clean the grease build up in the grind chamber.I also will put a huge pot of boiling water mixed with Miele dishwasher detergent and pour down my sink but that is about it.Lye or Drain crystals is acid and acid eats metal and everything else plus they are very dangerous to mess with because they heat up so fast it can blow out and blind somebody.For what you have to pay for a disposer I would not put any drain cleaner at all in it even if it says disposer safe..
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Yes!! I agree with Wes. Caustic soda is a very strong alkali and can damage your disposer, permanently. If a seal goes bad, and water seeps into your motor, its goodby. Even if it didn't the danger to you, as Wes says, is very great.

One trick I learned from one of the disposers, manufacturers owner's manual (can't remember which) was to partially the sink with water. (I usually fill it full with very warm water.) Hold your hand down hard, on the other sink stopper. Turn on your disposal and pull out the stopper.

Your disposal will suck down the water fairly quickly and send it through your piples, under pressure. If you have minor gunk build up it will usually flush it away. Before you do this, make sure your plumbing connections are tight. hehe

Do this weekly or biweekly. Just keeps build ups away and things draining smoothly.

All disposals suck the water down quickly, but the GE 8000 rpm series motor is phenomenal....kinda scary. It makes a gigantic vortex and then a whoosh and and the sink is empty, in a few seconds. Any deposits in the pipe don't stand a chance.

John, I've used several types of "Y" junctions depending on the undersink configuration. Usually, I like a 45 degree wye going into the main drain line.
No constriction whatsover, no 90 degree turns in a confined environment. Never had one clog.

When one uses those cheap little "disposal installation drain pipes, without a trap on both sides of the sink, I have noticed noise from the disposer comes up from the other sinks drain, as sometimes some suds as well, when I let the disposer pull down sudsy water. That's another reason I got rid of the one when I lived in the apartment with the cheap plumbing. With two separate traps, one on the sink side and one on the disposer one gets much quieter operation as sound does not funnel up and out the other side.

These wretched little dissposer drain piples are made for one reason. To allow a homeowner, ignorant of plumbing, to be able to install a disposer themself. However, plumbers like them, because they are cheap (saving them money) and quick, so they can get on to the next job (making them more money).

They put back-pressure on a disposer. You wont's see as quick a drawn-down of a sink full of water if you have a disposer installed this way. It still will, but not as dramatically, and you lose a effectivness in cleaning pipes.

John, yes, I had one of the Whirlpool models. I think it was 1 1979 or 1980 model. I haven't thought about it in a long, long time. Oddest looking disposer I ever had.

It, like the cheap disposer junction pipe, was made for installation by ignorant people. One actually lowered the skinny disposer down the sinkhole fron the top and let it hang by the lip. Talk about quick installation! You just dropped it in and tightened it up a little. Not like the three bolt mounting system.

Unlike the GE series 8000's, it did not hang by a rubber vibration absorbing ring and transmited horrible vibrations to the sink. I had a cheap, thin, stainless steel sink. and it resonated with the disposer, which was MUCH, louder than a GE 8000. As I remember, the hopper was fairly skinny and deep. It didn't seem to that well with that teeny diameter turntable. It was a lackluster performing disposer to say the least. I couldn't take that noise, though.

I give credit to Whirlpool engineers for thinking outside of the box, on that one. Unfortunatly, it seems they lost sight of the box altogether.

I got rid of it, after short while, and put it in the trash. Whirlpool, to their credit, discontinued it. And shortly therafter discontinued their regular disposer series, too. (They called them the "bone specialists".) and contracted ISE to stick the Whirlpool logo on some their models.

The regular Whirlpools didn't get a very good rating in Consumer Reports in the late seventies. So it was just as well Whirlpool dropped them, but they were nice looling esthetically, pretty blue. One of the few disposers I never had. Would like to have one, just to see what it was like.

Anyone of you ever had one of the Whirlpool made disposers ("Bone Specialist") from the 1970's? Be great if yo could post some pictures.

Boy Wes, you brought back some great memeories. That is a beautfiul KitchenAid!!
I loved my Maytag made disposer. Probably my favorite, after the GE series wound models. And that's only by a very slight margin. Maytag built them heavy, had a great sound insulation shell of molded polyfoam, which made it very quiet.

It was very quick, and ground up most anything I threw its way. What a pity, Mayatg went to the, "let's contract ISE to stick our name on their disposers" route.
 
I will also add--NEVER put lye or any other drain cleaner or caustic,or acid in your disposer.Lye is opposite of acid-but eats metal,hair,flesh just the same.Thats why it does a good job cleaning drain lines.But it is going to damage disposer parts-esp the motor seal.
and---NEVER-EVER shred bottles in the disposer-this will eat away the shred ring impact edges,damage corrosion preventive coating in the machines hopper.and remember--Shredded glass doesn't float or dissolve in a drain system.Would you put sand in your waste plumbing system--hope not-these are a good thing for the Roto-Rooter man.Bottles are another thing to put in the trash can or compactor.Trash trucks and compactors,recycling bins can handle bottles better than disposers and sewer systems.--and oh yes--lye and drain cleaners will void the warrantee on your disposer-the company inspectors can tell if it was used in the machine.same with bottle shredding.Bottle grinding was used at one time to remove the "scum" from shred rings in disposers that had a "soft" diet-user didn't put bones or ice cubes in it.the bones and ice cubes will clean the shredding parts safely without any worry of clogging your plumbing.bone chips safely float down waste lines.If the waste can make it to the sewer company processing plant---their Muffin Monster sewage shredder will take care of it----POOR NEMO!A large Muffin Monster sewage shredder will even grind logs!They have an excellent website-has videos showing their Muffin Monsters shredding things.Maybe some households need Muffin Monster!In one horror movie I watched the Muffin Monster was a breif star---it ground up the monster!and on "Dirtest Jobs" a Muffin Monster sewage shredder was shown being cleaned.
 
Volsboy,  thanks for your posts.  Did this thread remind anyone else of our old friend "Juan"?
 
Thanks for the advices guys!

Of course I NEVER do bottle shredding... that happened only once when a child did it. Luckily, it was a very small bottle and nothing serious happened (at least until now).

But knowing glass, it would have glogged the pipes almost instantly. (I was really lucky)

I always do the full sink "water shredding". it works great! Also, ice and dishwashing detergent or sometimes CIF degreaser.

Hot water isn't a problem, right? Always I cook pasta or eggs, I throw the water in that sink, with the disposer on. A few seconds after, I open the cold tap.
 
DISPOSERS AND DRAIN PROBLEMS

Liquid drain cleaners that contain lye and are labled as safe for disposers will NOT hurt them. Lye does NOT attact steel, SS, plastic, and rubber, and yes Barry if the shaft seal is already leaking into the motor area the drain cleaner may finish off the motor but it only has a few weeks to live once water is in there anyway. Lye will attack aluminum but no decent disposer has used aluminum in there units in the last 30 years.

 

If you have good draniage in your plumbing you could gring glass bottles all day long and never clog your drains. ISE and WK used to domostrate and ISE actually recommended gringing a bottle perodcally to clean out thier disposers. If ground glass like sand didn't go down drains the U traps would all slowly fill up with sand and clog. I have never even seen sand in traps even when working on peoples showers at thier beach houses.

 

It is always intersting how these old wise tales get started, I have never heard of a disposed damaged by drain cleaner. And I have never heard of a drain clogged by grinding paper, glass or sand. Remember we worked on thousands of disposers in homes here in the Washington area. And I have seen lots of people put drain cleaner down the drain to  avoid a service call, and I have seen plenty of people wash out things like flower pots and not clog thier drains.
 
Garburator, eh??

Pete, I think that may a unique Canadian expression!!   I have heard the term 'cochon' (literally 'pig') used by folks in the French-speaking parts of New Brunswick, too.   My friends in Boston always called a food waste disposer a 'Disposall' even if it was an ISE or a Frigidaire...
 
As for disposer plumbing, how is it supposed to go?

I looked under our sink and the PVC drain pipes under there look quite small in diameter. We have a double SS sink and from each drain is a drain with a trap in it going into a 3 pipe adapter in the wall. Two holes accommodate the sink drains and the third is a clean out.
 

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