Do you agree or disagree with this bail-out idea.....

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My thinking is that our representatives should go slow, very slow, before agreeing to any bail-out of any kind. To many people are using fear tactics right now to push this thing, there just is something not quite right here with it I think. If we had to choose between a bad recession right now or hanging my kids with the cost of this thing for decades, I'd choose the recession right now quite frankly. And there is no guarantee that this bail-out will work anyway. Remember, this is coming from many of the same people that gave $600 tax rebate checks to people who's government was running up the biggest debt in history. I just don't think you can cure spending issues by more spending.

So what do you think?
 
I think they need to proceed slowly, with a lot of oversight and with caution.

I will be the first to admit, I am no expert in this, but I do not trust Bush, McCain, or any of the current republicans.

I just don't know, I'm scared.
 
Dont like being rushed into anything

Think there should be more "investigations" Just dont rely on anything ANY Bush bullshit. The more they try to hurry the more I wonder what is the REAL truth Funny how it comes up right before the election.And this way they can look like the worlds Savior. I can hear them screaming on election day "look what we did, Look what we did" Oh yeah just look!
 
The Bush Admin. uses fear tactics?

Who knew? (Eyes to ceiling).
They wanted their "house of cards" to hold up untill they could get out of the White House, but it started to collapse waaaaaay too soon for them. Now that it looks like it could be a close election-------they suddenly want to make a deal at "We the People's" expense that will help them out if (G-D forbid) they get another shot at business as usual. I think giving Paulson or any other government official carte blanche to write a bailout check is par for the course for the Bush administration----turn more control over to the government.
If they are saying the cost will be $M700 than $2T will be more like it in the end.

What ever happened to "conservative Republicans"? Looks like they have turned into what they have been claiming the Dems have been all along! Fiscal irresponsibility has become the signature of this administration. Why should we believe they suddenly have the best interests of "We the People" at heart. Honey puuuuuhleeeez.
Oh, and suddenly, executive pay/"Golden Parachutes" are an issue. BARF.

The market is re-setting itself and those that end up with the cash to do so will be able to buy stock at tremendous discounts and reap huge profits in the future.

As Suze O. says----make sure everything you have invested in---- is FDIC insured. Money Market accounts held by brokerage firms are NOT! Get it out TODAY and get it in an insured account!
 
good point

on the brokerage money market accounts. I'm going to pull mine out today. But of course, pulling money out is one of the things that triggers market fear, but so what, its my money and I'll do with it what I want!
 
Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Anybody? Anybody?

Just what will it take for red-state morons to realize that Bush/Greenspan economic planning is designed to favor the Skull & Bones buddy-buddy ceo's while screwing the rest of us? Every ceo of every failing company should be thrown in jail and by jail, I don't mean the Martha Stewart country club variety.

BTW I used to love Ben Stein until I realized he was a staunch Republican. Who knew?
 
Here's what I just can't get my brain around. The bad mortgages represent about 5 percent of all morgages. If 5 percent go bad, the ENTIRE economy tanks? Something is horribly wrong here.
 
~Every C.E.O. of every failing company should be thrown in jail.

1-MAKE THEM SIGN AND DATE EVERY FINANCIAL STATEMENT THEIR COMPANY ISSUES, and hold them liable for any willful mis-statements.

Just like the rest of the market there needs to be "risk vs. reward." Want such high pay? Realize you may fry if you steal from your company or the public to get it.

2- Make Golden Parachutes (in any way, shape or form) Illegal. Simply define these things as misappropriation of (theft of) corporate assets.

Great point PeterH770~
 
I would think that most of this money Bush is asking for is to set up greedy CEO's with golden parachutes. But what concerns me is what else is packed into this rescue bill that we don't know about....
Deregulation of the banking industry?
Allowing Stock Brokerages to also act as banks?

Whatever it is, I'll tell you now it won't be good at all for the average American citizen! It will cost us big time!
 
I know I said I was staying out of the political stuff, well, I am making an exception. To lay this at just the Republicans feet or just the Democrats feet is wrong. I also don't agree with the bailout. The execs defintiely better not get the old golden 'shute (as opposed to the red 'chute the taxpayers are about to get). Both sides of the aisle are trying to now cover their colectives asses in this mess. At least McCain went back to DC to get his beak in there somewhere. Where's Obama? It's their job to be there 1st and on the campaign trail 2nd.
Go back to 1992 w/ Clinton in charge and the Democrats controlled congress. They wanted Freddie & Fannie to up the mortgages to lower income people. the figure that has been thrown around is up to 42% of the mortgages were to the folks that shouldn't be getting them in the first place. Guess what, they couldn't pay it back. Who knew? Low income & "questionable" credit and they can't pay back a mortgage? Wow. Freddie and Frannie lobbied Congress. Who got the most $? Chris Dodd, Obama, & John Kerry. HMMM. Who headed Obama's VP search? Jim Johnson. Don't know who he is? Look him up. He is the former head of Fannie Mae, and has ties to Countrywide, the company that really was one of the ones at the epicenter of the mortgage meltdown. Here is a snippet from June:" From ABC's Political Punch:

What's the big deal about Obama campaign fundraiser/Vice President selection committee member Jim Johnson getting $7 million in loans from Countrywide Financial Corp.? (As the Wall Street Journal reported Saturday and the New York Sun's Josh Gerstein followed up on.).

Mortgages with rates below market averages, including "a $5 million home equity line of credit against a house in Ketchum, Idaho, a 5.25% loan of $1.3 million for a home in Palm Desert, Calif., and a 3.875% loan of $971,650 for a home in Washington, D.C." Mortgages set up through an informal program for friends of the company's CEO, Angelo Mozilo.

The problem is, Obama critics say, perception and hypocrisy. Obama had railed against Countrywide and Mozilo, and his campaign had impugned Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, for taking money from Countrywide lobbyists and for allowing a senior campaign adviser to simultaneously do work for Countrywide."

What about Franklin Raines? Who's he, you ask? He's another former Fannie Mae CEO and Clinton budget director. He walked away with estimates of $50-90 Million after mortgage frauds were uncovered there and he padded his & other top execs pockets. Guess what, he's also a quasi-adviser to Obama (depending on who you listen to).

So again to start laying all the blame on the current administration is wrong. Look, I think Bush has done a lousy job with this country, and he deserves alot of blame for alot of things, but this isn't just his baby. It's all the gubment aholes down there in DC.
 
Uh hu, McCain in action... or is that inaction?

"Inside an intense White House meeting over the financial crisis on Thursday, where nearly every key player came to an agreement on the outlines of the bailout package, Sen. John McCain stuck out. The Republican candidate, according to sources with direct knowledge, sat quiet through most of the meeting, never offered specifics, and spoke only at the end to raise doubts about the rough compromise that the White House and congressional leaders were nearing."

That's digging in there and making your position known. Then apparently McCain was privy to the backroom dealings of some of the R's, but couldn't bother to speak about it during the meeting. True leadership.
 
Well, I think the bailout should come with strings attached. The banks should perhaps be able to borrow the money over a long term, but pay it back with interest and agree to much tighter regulation.

It's a bit like agreeing to give your 16 year old kid a bail out after he/she has run up 10,000 on a credit card by spending it on wild partying. If you keep doing it it just reinforces bad behaviour.
 
You know what, while we are all preoccupied with this bail out that im totally against, I wonder what else they are up to? Not even 6 Months ago I had become complacent, and was of the mind, Well if we just coast thru the next few months, the election will come and things might change. I know who I am voting for. My goodness i never thought it would come to this, and if this banking meltdown is another hypothetical boogeyman, i already feel like a sucker... I believe, it was hoped this banking mess would not come to light, until after the first of the new year. alr2903
 
the more I think about it.....

the more I am against this bail-out. I believe that people are creative enough to find a way to buy a car, a house, etc. even if some of the banks do fail. Let them fail. I'd rather face a significant recession now then pump money down a bottomless hole. There is no way this bail-out will save this country's economy, this bail-out is to buy Bush time to "get out of town". The fundamental issues facing this country are significantly greater than this financial "issue of the moment". This bail-out just won't work - its throwing good money after bad. My opinion, and I approve this message.
 
Its comming anyway

No matter what is done . its already to late , yes a bail out will stop things but only for a few months. Then it's all the same thing. So why invest in nothing. Not really a Rep or a dem. fault. Just a "Perfect Storm" but all are trying to cover their tattered underwear.
 
Not really a Rep or a dem. fault. Just a "Perfect Storm

Maybe, maybe not, but the bailout will be started as a Rep FAULT. Of course, the major fault is the REP in charge.... he and his NUKULAR family!!!

Still love the bumper sticker: Somewhere in Texas, a village has lost its idiot.

Chuck
p.s.- I DON'T consent to giving something like $2500 of my hard earned tax dollars toward irresponsible borrowers and lenders to "fix" this thang!!!!! I wonder if we can all sign some kind of petition to that effect?
 

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