Duet set are slowly starting to show signals of replacement

[pierreandreply4]

here is the reason why i am chosing to go back to a top load

Here is the reason why i am going back to a good old fashion top load washer:

Top-loading washers



• Removes more dirt on average in a normal cycle front load washer.



• Met generally less time to complete a normal cycle that front-loading washer.



• Rise in average a little more than a gentle cycle front load washer.



• Is generally less noise than a front-loading washer.



• is more ergonomic, due primarily to the position of openness and lack of clean seal.



• Takes up less space generally a deep front-loading washer.



In short ...



Overall, the efficient top-loading washers that Protect You have tested provided better performance than the front-loading machines.



They are the best choice if you are not or little delicate cycle.

and its very rare that i use the delicate gentle cycle i only use this cycle for washing curtains

 

[qualin]

Front vs Top load

Hi Pierre.

To argue your points a bit:
• Removes more dirt on average in a normal cycle front load washer.

Well, I guess that depends on the load, but front loaders are better at getting sand out of clothes than a top loader, at least in my experience. I've also experienced slower turnover in a top loader than in a front loader.

• Met generally less time to complete a normal cycle that front-loading washer.

Depends on the cycle. The Speed Queen / Huebsch washers have a 44 minute wash cycle. (For regular, I think the Perm. Press cycle may be 5 minutes shorter) I have some friends which have an LG, if you set it on Sanitize with heavy soil, the entire cycle takes about 2.5 hours. (Yikes!)

• Is generally less noise than a front-loading washer.

Disagree with you there. One of the reasons why a top loader is quieter is because the spin isn't as fast. I believe most modern top loaders spin around 600-700 RPM, whereas the front loaders I saw do anywhere between 1000-1400 RPM. So, that's not a fair comparison. I have found that front-loaders are a little noisier when washing the clothes, but that's a good thing. The more splashing, sloshing and splooshing sounds, the more water is moving and thereby the more cleaning it's doing. Quietness has never really been a measure of cleaning performance for me. The big concern I think is spinning and it's not a fair comparison.

Asko makes a washer which spins the clothes at 2000 RPM. I would bet money that there wouldn't be a room in the house you wouldn't hear that. No need for that though. After all, dryers are designed to dry clothes.

• is more ergonomic, due primarily to the position of openness and lack of clean seal.

I agree that without pedestals, you have to stoop down to load and empty clothes. Pedestals fix that. A lot of front loaders these days come with the pedestals included or are extra for a rather modest cost.

I also agree that front loaders don't need a door seal. What I'm seeing though in European made washers is that the seal is actually on the door itself rather than between the door opening and the tub. I hope that more washer manufacturers finally realize this is the way to go and makes the machines much more hygenic.

I can see though how that is a considerable advantage.

Now, on the downside, for top loading washers to give you a good wash with lots of good turnover, you really need to think about your water bill. Do you mind living with the idea that your top loader uses 180 litres per wash instead of 50-something litres a front loader would use? If not, then yeah, go for it.

IMHO, you sound really eager to get rid of your current set and buy something else which you may like a lot better. What's stopping you?

Buy a Speed Queen / Huebsch set... you'll be happy with it. Top or front load!

 

[pierreandreply4]

thank you for the info but this will also depends on the price i am going to pay because so far the models that would fits my need are the estate washer dryer set by whirlpool the roper washer dryer by whirlpool (top load model for the washer) and the amana and inglis and it might be soon as usaly its like a chain and it would follow right after changing the water heater lol.

 

[foraloysius]

You'd better hurry up, the Amana toploader has already disappeared from the American website. It might not take long before they are not available in Canada anymore.

 

[pierreandreply4]

thank you but i do not think that canada will be eliminating there toploaders because i know for a fact tha the inglis line of washers still makes and sell top load washers as inglis is made in canada but i am pretty sure that when i replace them when they brake there will still be topload washers for sale in canada.

 

[combo52]

WP DD WASHERS

Don't count on it, there are already no full fill washers left.

 

[mrb627]

Dream On...

Eventually, everyone will be on the bandwagon. And I heard on the news last night that manufacturers will begin dropping the warranty on their machines to less than a year.

Ultimately making the purchaser buy an extended contract. They already make you buy your own hoses for goodness sake!

I feel like the mainstream manufacturers have lessened the quality of their TL machines. Probably trying to ween consumers away to expensive FL machines. Surely a conspiracy...

Malcolm

 

[DirectDriveDave]

That's why the used market is around.

 

[DADoES]

 
<blockquote>Don't count on it, there are already no full fill washers left.</blockquote>Perhaps not WP-family brands/models, but there's at least one other I know.

 

[pierreandreply4]

for me and thats just in the long term i am thinking

Maybe but me in if i think in the long terms its the question of budget and the question of space and the fact that both the washer dryer is near 2 bedrooms that is if my actual set broke tommorws morning(*long term senario here)and needed one fast its the question of budget and me the way i chose a washer is by evaluating my needs and cycle use and even if it would be a low level fill for a top load washer i do not mind if i compare this 8 cycle model washer thats close to the estate rebadge whirlpool and roper brand also by whirlpool an 8 cycle washer model (8 program for those that understand this term) or 16 cycle program model would fit my needs perfectly and there is the danger of my cats because i am afraid that a fl model would be a danger to my cats compare to a top load where they can not jump up.

 

[pierreandreply4]

Pic 2 16 cycle model

Here is the second picture

 

[spankomatic]

Think I will chime in here.... I have used my friends 2004 Whirlpool Duet off and on since they were new. I never have liked them! The washer shakes the house on the final spin. The pump is loud. I don't care for the soap dispencer drawer. The gas dryer has never dryed the clothes completly. The cool down cycle is not long enough and the extended cool down is that on off thing. These Whirlpool dryers are know for the thermisters going out. I had to change it twice now. Both machines are installed properly.

 

Since I moved into an apartment complex last January.... my Maytag Neptunes have been in storage. When I first moved in I was using the coin laundry here in the apartment complex. It has a brand new G.E. TOP loading washer. It is horrible!! Sounds like a toy and does not clean clothes at all! I have to use twice as much soap in it since it is a TOP loader. So.......I have been going over to my friends house and using her Whirlpool Duets (even though I don't like them) since they do a much better job at cleaning than the TOP loader.  I really really miss my Maytag Neptunes. Nice and quiet,easy to use,dryer drys my clothes perfectly with a great cool down cycle. They fit nice,not bulky.  Maybe something newer/used might be worth looking at for you. Leave no stone unturned....

 

[spankomatic]

My Maytag Neptues that I miss so much....

 

[powerfin64]

Explain..

What are the physical "Signals" on your duet set, make you think replacing is needed??? Do not go into a long drawn-out lame explanation.

 

[qualin]

Stop being neurotic about this!

Let me break down what you mentioned here in a reasonable, point by point explanation, because obviously you're not getting the answer you are looking for.

> its the question of budget and the question of space

My TOL GE washer set me back about $830 when I bought it back in 2004. The BOL (Bottom of the line) version was somewhere around $350. I don't regret purchasing it at all. Despite the extra money I had spent, I suspect that the $350 model probably would have cleaned my clothing just as well as the more expensive model.

If space is an issue, then perhaps a full sized laundry set isn't what you are looking for. You could look at a european-style washer/dryer instead, but they are pricey.

> if my actual set broke tommorws morning and needed one fast

Well, that's what laundromats are for. Seriously. But let me elaborate below.

> its the question of budget

If you compromise on the price, you will end up buying crap and you'll have to replace them again. Put aside some cash every month until budget is no longer an issue. If you save your pennies and put a bit aside every month, you can get a TOL machine which you won't regret purchasing.

> evaluating my needs and cycle use

Well, seriously... how often do you use cycles other than the normal / cottons cycle? I found that even though my TOL GE has Perm. Press, Handwash, Delicates, etc, I spend most of my time using the Cottons / Normal cycle. So, I didn't really need the extra features. However, being able to use the handwash cycle has come in handy every so often.

> low level fill for a top load washer

I've been seeing more and more top loaders like this. This is one good reason to move away from using a top loader. I don't see how they can clean your clothes.

> rebadge whirlpool and roper brand

Roper is downmarket Whirlpool. It's what contractors buy when they build houses. Inglis is just about the same quality as Roper. It's all made by Whirlpool. Why settle for less and buy a downmarket brand that you're not going to be happy with?

> 16 cycle program model

Do you really need that many cycles? Why? What kind of clothing do you wear? Seriously, how many cycles do you use on a regular basis?

> i am afraid that a fl model would be a danger to my cats compare to a top load
> where they can not jump up.

This is why you check the machine before you put laundry in it. You watch it from the time you put your clothes into it to the time you close the door and start it. I had a friend of mine who accidentally killed his cat because the cat lept into his "Front Load" dryer.

Jeez man, stop being so neurotic about this. If you want to replace your machines because you love to spend money and make Whirlpool that much richer, go right ahead, but you will never be happy with what you buy.

If you save up and spend a decent amount of your hard earned wages on an expensive machine, you'll be happy with it.

Ultimately, when it comes down to it, it's not the amount of cycles which determine what makes a machine good or not. It's just how well it cleans your clothes and how well it dries them. I don't think I can make that any more clear.

Let me put that last sentence into perspective. Before the automatic washer days, wringer washers had one cycle. On. That allowed people to get by just fine.

 

[DADoES]

 
8 cycles on the Inglis pictured above is misleading, nothing more than marketing.  It's actually only 3 cycles.  The marketing department gets 8 cycles out of it by considering each of the *marked wash times* on the dial as a separate cycle.

- NORMAL cycle has (1) Extra Heavy 18 mins, (2) Heavy 14 mins, (3) Regular 10 mins, (4) Light 6 mins

- PERMANENT PRESS cycle has (5) Regular 10 mins, (6) Light 6 mins

- GENTLE WASH cycle has (7) Regular 6 mins, (8) Light 4 mins

There's the (8) cycles, when it's really three cycles starting at longer or shorter wash times.

Also, this is a ONE SPEED machine.  All agitation and spin is at high speed.  GENTLE WASH gets so-called gentle action by intermittent agitation at high speed, which is not the same thing as a true low speed.

 

[pierreandreply4]

I have nothing to explain about my choice on going back to a

I have nothing to explain about my choice in going back to a top load washer and this is also my final post as well And 1 other thing you should know is washers today are meant to last 10 years so its normal that after 10 years of use that they are replace and i also find the washer i have for 1 thing very noisy when it drains And also when it comes to energy saving a top load washer do not need to heat the wash water as it wash even if they are not rated energy star this i do not mind and for me clothes that smells like detergent can make me sneeze or give me a headche and also i had to wash one of my shirts thats only hand washable i had to rely on doing 4 EXTRA SPINS just eliminate the excess water from my shirt for me that a proof that fl washers are a bad choice of washer for me and one of the main reason that when it breaks that i am going back to a top load washer and i hope my duet set breaks soon so that i can replace them with a top load washer with matching dryer during the current year. and sorry for shouting

 

[mrb627]

Build Quality

If you are so dissatisfied with your expensive Whirlpool FL machine, why would you replace it with the same brand machine?

Malcolm

 

[pierreandreply4]

to answer your question

To answer your question i am not disatified of the topload model of the brand i am only disatify with the front load model of the brand and for anyone wondering front load washer dryer sets are not made for me for the main reason that as a french canadian i am use to using shorter wash time like in the inglis washer model i posted for me a 10 minute wash or even 6 minutes is more than engough because longer wash time is not very good and for me a front load washer do not clean very good aspecaly when it comes to stain as they do not remove them and 1 other thing is sometime i can have only 1 shirt to wash so having to wait 45 minute to 1:04 minutes is just to long for me and i wash everyday and also for me in my case loading and undloading a fl washer is a bit harder because it force me to sit down and sometime i can have witch is very rare knee pains witch means that for me loading unloading the washer standing up is easyer.