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There are already more public charging stations for EVs in the U.S. than there are old fashioned gas stations.

And guess what, EV charging stations don't have big expensive tanks under the ground that could leak, explode, or contaminate the ground water.

Charging stations, being so compact, can be set up anywhere. I almost always see them in shopping areas and hotel parking lots.

However, there are many more recharging options for EV drivers, compared to stinky gasoline. With electric you can charge:

1. At home either with a 230 volt charger or simply by plugging into a standard outlet we already have.
2. At a hotel, RV parks, your relatives/friends home, ...anywhere where there is a typical electric plug or bigger.
3. You can modify your vehicle by installing flexible solar panels on your car roof that will help you charge your battery whenever the sun is out, whether your driving or not.
4. If you have your own solar panel array, as many people here in California do, you can charge your own car for FREE.

With petroleum, you can't do any of that cool stuff. If there is an oil embargo, or prices climb again (and they will) you are completely at the mercy of petroleum wheeler-dealers.

You rarely ever hear stories of some moron who drove their EV until the charge was completely done. There's no valid excuse for that. There are many apps that make finding a charge station super easy.

Charging stations are where you will see a higher socio-economic class of people as well. They also are clean because they are new and there are no, and never will be any oil/gasoline leaks all over the ground turning it black and gross.

Compare that to going to a typical <span style="text-decoration: underline;">aged</span> gas station. They age so quick. You have to watch where you step as you don't want to step in diesel fuel or wet gasoline spills. You don't want the stuff splashing on your clothes or your car. You don't want to breathe that poison. Everything is worn and weathered. It's so dingey. The whole mega gas station/convenience store format is also OLD. Over priced candy , snacks, unhealthy junk food, and of course the dirty bathrooms.

Nope, won't miss that.

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Electric versus hybrid cars

All electric cars will eventually predominate because of their reliability and economy.

Hybrid cars are only good if you get a plug-in one otherwise you’re still totally dependent on the whims of the price of gasoline

One of the ideal cars it was sold was the Chevy volt, you could drive at 80 miles or so locally and put gas in it and drive it across the country without a thought, I wish there were more cars that gave you the option of either with a reasonable range.

Hot weather is not hard on an electric car air conditioning draws very little power, likewise now that they’re using heat pumps to heat the interior in cold weather cold weather is not the deathknell of electric cars ,

My older brother in Minnesota has an electric VW. It works fine. It’s even warm inside.

John L.
 
Hans

Hans, you should story about the late 60’s full sized Oldsmobile (think it was either a 88 or 98) that got ridiculously good gas mileage with the experimental carburetor it had on it.
 
Reply # 35

Hi Ken, Compared to driving the car.

 

In an electric car you could run the A/C for weeks before you come close to depleting the battery charge, the A/C systems used on electric cars are VERY efficient compared to the engine driven systems on regular cars.

 

John L.
 
>> For my 4 mile commute, an electic car just doesn't make financial sense. My 2013 Kia Soul turns 10 years old
>> this coming July, and only has 46,000 miles on it. As I see it, the car is only half used up. If it were an electric
>> car it would be almost done at 10 years.

An electric car would actually be perfect for that scenario. Only four miles at a time is comparatively hard on a gasoline car, as it spends so little time warmed up at operating temperature - if it gets there at all (winter). And just from a comfort aspect, the instant heat of an electric car is wonderful in the winter.

Used prices on a 2013 Soul with ~50k miles seems to be in the $10-13K range, with most in the low 12s. So you could sell your Soul (haha) and move straight across to a used Nissan Leaf, BMW i3, etc... maybe even put some money back in your pocket depending on which car you got.
 
I took more pictures of my electric ride—not sure if I plug it in and charge it if it really runs/really works, and I do have an outlet outside I wish I brought it to but I can’t drive it if I can’t fit in it…

What’s more, there’s a spoiler which boasts a couple lights that are the parking lights/front marker lights/turn signals, of which I can’t figure out how it goes on—I’m pretty certain it goes underneath the front of that car…

— Dave

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I think I've put this out here before, but what the common wisdom isn't dealing with well is the entirety of a 24h use case of the EV.

Let's say you start at 8 am unplugging at your house and hopping in. Your car is pre-heated or pre-cooled (while plugged in). Off you go on your commute. Frequently, you can plug in at work for a top-up. Off you go for lunch--again, pre-heated or pre-cooled. Unplug, and head back home (maybe with a stop at the supermarket). You plug back in at home (during a peak period) so your house actually draws down the battery a bit to cool the house/cook dinner (automatically)...the battery serves to smooth the neighborhood peaks, reducing the load on the local grid. Overnight, the car automatically charges during the offpeak hours (say, 1a-5p; but it's smart enough to start at 12:30 if you drove a lot or drew down the battery). And you wake up to a nice day again.

I'm not discounting the "eye in the sky" aspects of knowing your patterns (heck, we don't even have Nest thermostats at home), but there's some real value here.

I concur that some of my travel patterns when driving cross-country can be troublesome (a specific one is going from SE Michigan to my brother's in SE Kansas City. It's about 11.5 hrs with a fast-food lunch, fast food dinner and one refueling and is about at the edge of my tolerance for driving; the thought of extending it by 45 minutes to have an extra charge or two is daunting). Perhaps that's what the Hertz 1/2 mile away at the end of the street or the Avis 2 miles north of us is for.

Having retired from GM, they would survey us (employees) every so often to gauge tolerance for EV range. I (still) think I'd be cool with an EV that with a full battery could make it from Detroit to Chicago/Indianapolis/Cincinnati/Cleveland/Pittsburgh/Toronto/Traverse City after work (i.e. a 4 hour drive ...just hop in after work and go).
 
Tesla and Ford

Tesla and Ford have reached an agreement that allows Ford to use the Tesla Supercharger network. Ford will also adopt the Tesla charging port for new electric vehicles. Wonder why other makers did not adopt this port since Tesla was basically the first EV manufacturer, and built it's own charging network. This also allows Tesla to get more federal money for charging networks.

I did drive a Tesla at our local dealer. They make it so easy. I was only there to look at the cars. They said, "Do you want to drive one?" So I drove a Model 3, no one accompanied me, which surprised me. They do know where you are so it is hard to steal the car. They had it set up in one pedal driving mode where you do not have to use the brake pedal. Super easy to adapt to. I did not drive far enough to really enjoy it but it was nice. I tried to adjust the mirrors and ac system, easy enough with the on screen systems. No AM radio but stations are available via streaming. Of course no CD player as an option. Would I buy one? Probably if it was cheaper. I usually buy used and paid $21,000 for my last car. Most companies still do not discount the MSRP but some add on. So I will wait.
 
re: My reply #41

Wrong…! The detached spoiler was for underneath the REAR of the car, and those are backup lights, flanked by rear reflectors… So I figured out how the part goes on, and even brought the car over to an outside electrical outlet in my backyard to charge the entire thing…

 

What’s now notably missing is the front grill, which might have gotten lost if I didn’t noticeably see it when I brought the car home and luckily the charging cord was brought home after hearing what was rattling in the cockpit…

 

 

 

— Dave

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My diesel VW has an 800 mile range and is paid for so I'll drive it til it dies and can't be resurrected. Hopefully that will last until i retire. Then an ev would be fine for me to putter around in...but we will still keep an ICE vehicle for our New Orleans trips.
 
My stepson jus got

a Mutsang Mach E 4X select trim level. He ordered it in October. It's "BLUE". He is a Ford direct software engineer for vehicle apps. and systems.
Just under $58,000 with the A plan. It is all wheel drive, 2 motors, extended range.
Leather, heated seats, B&O premium sound, full power including door latches. Tinted glass roof.
He dorve it the first 140 miles city with the A/C on and still had 73% charge left.
It comes with both 120 and 250 volt cords. He works mainly from home, and doesn't drive a lot now. It's cool, and he likes it over his former Escape.
I think maybe a plug in hybrid would be optimal for those who drive a lot, at least until more sharging stations are around.
 
Tesla to have the electric charger standard format. TSLA will be the equiv. of OPEC.

GM admits to still trying to plan new petroleum engines and hydrogen stuff, which is a total joke. lol.

 
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