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The only thing I don't like about these washers is this: it appears the heater is only used to raise the temeprature of the wash water on the Sanitary/Deep Clean cycle. It appears the heater is not useed to maintain or bring up a few degrees to set point of either hot (120 or 130 degrees) or warm water (100 or 105 degrees) on any of the other cycles. Larry, maybe you can debunk that impression for me after ou get your upgraded machine.
 
These machines use the internal heater to boost the temperature.

They have preset temperatures according to the cycle. If the hot fill is colder than the preset temperature, it will use the heater to try to increase it. (but it may not reach the temperature as the heater is 110v and the wash isn't long enough.
if the hot water is too hot, it will mix with cold water.

On sanitary cycle, even if you fill it with cold water (turn off your water heater os just use all the hot water and turn on the machine before it has the time to recover) the machine will use the internal heater and increase the wash time until it can reach the sanitization temperature and keep it for some minutes. The cycle can be increased in 30 minutes or more, but you won't notice the change on the remaining time display.
The difference on display can be seen when you start the sanitary cycle with very hot water.
the demaining time will be reduced when the machine reaches the first drain. at home it happens with my affinity, and usually goes from 1:09 to 0:29.
 
Response - Maintaining Temp. via Electrolux.

I wrote to Electrolux about this subject (onboard heater used to maintain water temp.), back in February 09.
This was Electolux's response:

"Thank you for contacting Electrolux Major Appliances. We apologize for the delay in response. However our washer units are equipped with an internal heater and when the unit is operating on the sanitize cycle the heater maintains a set temperature of 152 degrees Fahrenheit.

Also, the unit has an automatic temperature control so when the unit is operating and using a cold water setting the heater will automatically turn on if the water drops below 65 degrees Fahrenheit.

When operating and using a warm water setting the heater will automatically turn on if the water drops below 78 degrees Fahrenheit.

When operating and using a hot water setting the heater will automatically turn on if the water temperature drops below 120 degrees Fahrenheit.

In closing the spin RPM for the Electrolux washer is 1350.
If you have any further questions about the appliances please contact us at 877-435-3287. We are available Monday through Friday from 8 a.m. until 8 p.m. EST. Thank you for considering Electrolux Major Appliances."
 
I'm doing a no load water test and the water level is incredible.
Thie rinse water fills up to the seal of the door on the Normal/Eco Cycle and the tumble rotation is a lot longer in each direction than the IQ washer.

I'm not satified with the paint. The IQ washer had a better finish on it where you can see the speckles, this is matted opaq finish, not rich in color like on the ped!
 
Larry does it look like the pedestal and the WaveTouch colors don't match or one looks more shiny? Is it that noticable?

So we have conformation...the WaveTouch totally uses more water. YES!

Can't wait for video and photos.
 
Larry said: "The IQ washer had a better finish on it where you can see the speckles, this is matted opaq finish, not rich in color like on the ped!"

Larry, that's impossible to believe and accept!!! The wave touch model is made to satisfy the VIP consumers. It's not an ordinary washing machine, it's the TOL model The Electrolux Group offers, not only in the US, but worldwide.

Something (very) wrong happened with your unit. The washing machine shouldn't pass the finishing QC if there's a color difference that can be detected by the lasers, and the lasers are much more accurate than human eyes.

Or...

Electrolux started to decrease the quality like "the other" manufacturer.

I think you should contact Electrolux or the store and ask them to replace it again. Also, try to visit a store or show room that has the same machine and compare.

I'm shocked to hear that after being part of a team that received many direct orders saying "everything on it must be much beter than the best"
 
It's no lie, the colors does not match at all,
At the base of the machine it looks like the prim is showing through.
Color is washed out with a white film on it!
I have a thirty day return window so Sears maybe getting a call tomorrow afternoon.
 
Rebates

Larry, Electrolux is offering a $200.00 on your machine and $50.00 on the pedestal. On the Electrolux website, click on support and Limited Time offers. Offer ends July 19, 2009. You will get a 250.00 Pre-paid Visa Card. I got a 500.00 one when I purchased my appliances last year.

Now if you buy the dryer, you will receive another 250.00.

I am sure Sears will straighten out the color differences in you appliance/pedestal.
 
If your not happy...

Larry, definitely swap out the machine if you're not liking the finish of the paint job. You should be happy with your purchase...it's just a pain to deal with.

It does sound like you are happy with the water usage amount.

Hopefully the paint issue is just a fluke.
Best of luck and looking forward to hear how well Sears handles this.

Like Ray said...don't forget the rebate form.

http://www.electroluxappliances.com/Files/Images/Limited Offers/Electrolux Laundry COSPromo RF.PDF
 
Larry. I think it was just a fluke like George said, I have seen both the models at many stores and they look the same, I am sure Sears will make good for it. Afterall, this machine uses much more water than any of the fron loaders out there.

Ray
 
They better not...

Oh my goodness...
There better not be anyone talking about Electolux WaveTouch using more water and waving shame at them for doing so.

Come on, front loaders default at saving water/resources simply because they never fill up the whole drum like top loaders do.

I'm so buying the WaveTouch (when my Whirlpool TL dies), only because it's the only known current HE washer that uses the most water, yet doesn't waste it.

I want my closed washed in WATER and you can't get any better than the WaveTouch in today's modern machines.
 
hahaha
activists setting fire on wave touch machines in front of electrolux plant. LOL

can you imagine this situation? (of course they won't mind the smoke because it's for a good cause)

Before somebody think i'm extremist, let me put things very clear.

It's very important to protect our environment and as far as I know, ALL THE MANUFACTURERS not only Electrolux try to cause the smallest footprint possible.

BUT...

some things are impossible to be done without causing a footprint. Doing laundry is one of them.

Someday we will have the technology to use much less water AND have amazing results, but now there are only fancy prototypes and millions of dollars being spent. Maybe our grandsons and daughters will be able to do their laundry without water.

unfortunately, in 2009 we reached the limit. Wave touch can perform a good wash and at the same time reduce the footprint.
It uses much less water than top loaders and there's no need to repeat the cycles thousands of times to get the clothes properly rinsed.
But there's even more we can do. now we must remember to use it with responsability. the world would be much better if everybody starts to choose friendly detergents that are more biodegradable than required by law. STPP is good, but it's also bad. i'm sure we all can think twice before using it. It doesn't need to be used on every wash, does it? we don't need to run the machine with a pair of socks inside it, why not wait until we have a full load? hot water is also good. it's excellent! but do we really need to boil all our clothes like noodles every time we wash them? Can't we try to reduce a little bit the temperature? A single load in our homes doing that means nothing, but imagine millions of water boilers and internal heaters in the world reducing 1 degree.

Also, the automaticmania. Ok we don't have the time to change the load and reuse the same wash water, but, can't you try to do that at least once a month? since I started to save the water, i had a HUGE impact on groceries bills. My detergent boxes and bottles last 6x more. I just started it to save the "imported" box of Tide and A&H washing soda John brought me.
A single load we save means a dose of detergent. again, only one means nothing, but imagine millions of people doing the same thing.

The best of all (for us that love to be in front of our loved machines) we can interact much more with them.

Next time you do a load, try to use a bucket and change the load before draining the wash water. If you have more than a machine, it's much easier. just put the drain hose in the drum and let it drain, as I (and many other members) do.

And don't be surprised when the next generation of HE machines come with internal and automatic suds saver containers.

And you? what are your suggestions to help our environment without reducing the washing and rinsing performance?
 
Agree...Best HE Machine!

Sorry to step on some toes but I think the (American) Electrolux WaveTouch is better then the Americanized Meile's.
Do I dare say, even better than the European Meile's?

I can't imagine the weight of 19 pairs of jeans and water that machine has to bare and then spin them out...incredible.

That has to be an outstanding suspension system...(springs and shocks) to not falter at such a load of laundry that size.

I keep becoming more and more impressed with this machine.
 
George

That was the idea when they decided to make this machine..

Be better than the best. And the best is not enough.

Starting by the SS spiders, than we have the very sensitive electronic sensors and the step motor (with much more steps)that can balance the load much faster than the others. The suspension system is also very accurate, but most of the impacts are eliminated before the spin starts.

And the big secret inside this machine is not a secret. It's monster size makes it stable.

Best of all, it wasn't made to last only 5 years.

Electrolux better than that, only the commercial (Ex-wascator) machines with Clarus control.
 
Hi Thomas. So far these machines have been getting excellent reviews by Consumer Reports, meaning the reviews were by the consumers who bought the machine. I have a whole new kitchen of these new Electrolux appliances, Electric Stove, Side by Side refrigerator, Over the Range Microwave and Dishwasher in Stainless Steel. The dishwasher had a minor change where they put in a new filter assembly basket, and the refrigerator need a part/gasket on the chiller meat drawer because the items were freezing on the left side. Also, the top panel of the microwave was dented, and they had to replace. But...I must say that Electrolux must put the technicians through a good training, because they do know what they are doing. Although...the part for the refrigerator was so new, that the tech had to call E_lux for instructions. When my wife set up one of the service calls, she told them she like the appliances, but complained to them about why we had the 4 service calls. The apologized and told her for her troubles that they were sending her a $150.00 check. Now that was nice. I think Electrolux wants to be on top. As soon as I see the way clear, I am going to get my credit for the LG washer which gives me problems and put it toward the Wave Touch.

I bet this makes you happy to hear such nice things about these appliances.

Ray
 
georgect

I have an "Americanized Miele", my only Miele purchase, that's great but not perfect, and I've never owned anything Electrolux. So I have no reason to be a rabid Miele partisan, or anti-Electrolux.

I'm pretty sure that the Electrolux would not wash for me as well as my Miele, because of wash temperature and cycle length:

Wash temperature: My house has a very long hot water lag, so an HE machine is going to fill with mostly tepid water, more or less basement temperature. As described in posts above, the Electrolux will heat the water, but not extend the cycle until the target temperature is reached. Given the wash cycle lengths and my incoming water temperature, I don't see how I'd ever get a decent warm or hot wash.

Cycle length: In my experience with the Miele, an extended wash (approx. 1 hour wash time, plus any timer hold while water heats) cleans better than a non-extended wash (approx 30 min. wash time plus timer hold). The Electrolux maxes out at less than 30 minutes wash time, so I'd be missing the choice of a long wash that gives the detergent and oxygen bleach more time to work.

Also, I like hot washes, and the Miele has more choices for hot -- 122degF, 140degF, 158degF, all boosted with timer hold as necessary.
 
suburbanmd

Hi, Rayjay here. I too was looking at the Miele 4840. I was just a little worried about the amouth of water it uses, so I am leaning more toward the Electrolux now, but still....not counting out the Miele yet.

Do you really like the way the MIele washes and rinses? Do you have the 4840 Model?

Thanks so much

Ray
 
Thomas, re the heater, I meant for cycles other than sanitary, and was referring to these posts:

Post# 360591-6/30/2009-08:57 ||| thomasortega (Brazil)
Post# 360611-6/30/2009-10:45 ||| georgect (Connecticut)

As for bleeding the hot water pipes, there's a nearby powder room that would bleed part of the path to the washer. But it's a flow-limited faucet, and takes a long time to run hot, like minutes. (When we redo that room, we're putting in a warm-water version of an Instant-Hot, basically a point-of-use heater and faucet in one). Could also run the bathtub upstairs. Far from ideal, and fortunately I (and my wife and kids) don't have to do it. And it's nice to know that the Miele will guarantee the temperature no matter what you do or don't do.

Rayjay, I have a W4840. Very happy with how it washes, and the rinsing seems fine, no stiffness or apparent residue. For the first few months I never did an extra rinse. Then my wife started doing them (just because she believes in them), and now I do an extra rinse when I add something extra besides detergent, like oxygen bleach. Actually I do have one rinse complaint: The comforters cycle doesn't spin after the wash cycle, just goes right into rinse fill, which I don't understand. Now I do an extra rinse on comforters, though the result seemed fine without it.

There are setup menu options for extra rinse and water plus. I've never used those. Did you ever see the 2007-ish threads by crooks101 on THS about his Miele complaints? One thing I seem to remember, is that the water plus setting doesn't affect the Custom cycle. That's unfortunate, because the Normal cycle doesn't use the heater, and you'd use Custom instead. This might matter to you; it doesn't matter to me, because I haven't felt the need for extra water. If I read enough discussions here, I might start to think I should need more water :-) But like I said, my results are great. My point of comparison is the DD Kenmore we had for 9 years before; really no comparison at all, the Miele is so much better.
 

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