supremewhirlpol
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HHEEEYYY!! That's the same model Kenmore I have.
Electrolux washers
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The Miele has a hidden option of raising the rinse water level to "Maximum Water Level". There's also an "Allergy" mode, which gives you more rinses.
That Electrolux washer looks very cool! However, I wonder why the wash times are so quick. Considering the amount of laundry this thing can cope with, I'd expected the main wash to be a little longer. Also would have loved to see the famous Jet System (recirculation the wash/rinse water via the top nozzle in the door boot) being incorporated in these washers like most of the Euro E'luxes have. Only LG seems to have that.
Would love to hear more of the dryer, too!
That Electrolux washer looks very cool! However, I wonder why the wash times are so quick. Considering the amount of laundry this thing can cope with, I'd expected the main wash to be a little longer. Also would have loved to see the famous Jet System (recirculation the wash/rinse water via the top nozzle in the door boot) being incorporated in these washers like most of the Euro E'luxes have. Only LG seems to have that.
Would love to hear more of the dryer, too!
electron800
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I wonder why the wash times are so quick.
I wonder this on US machines too, 20mins of wash tumbling is not a Heavy Duty cycle, thats a quick wash lol.
I don't care what people say ,a load of filthy dirty whites will not be clean after 20minutes of washing in any machine of any kind.
It makes me feel quite lucky that we have the A-G wash grading, it's really made sure machines have good long washes and clean brilliantly, espeically without the need for tons of additives, especially chlorine bleach, lol.
Not trying to dig at american washing habits here, but you can't complain that you're washer dosen't clean very well, but also that it takes too long to wash.
Matt
I wonder this on US machines too, 20mins of wash tumbling is not a Heavy Duty cycle, thats a quick wash lol.
I don't care what people say ,a load of filthy dirty whites will not be clean after 20minutes of washing in any machine of any kind.
It makes me feel quite lucky that we have the A-G wash grading, it's really made sure machines have good long washes and clean brilliantly, espeically without the need for tons of additives, especially chlorine bleach, lol.
Not trying to dig at american washing habits here, but you can't complain that you're washer dosen't clean very well, but also that it takes too long to wash.
Matt
launderess
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Wash Times
One has to understand, at least from an Amercian point of view, front load washing machines with long cycle times are seen as a disadvantage. This is one of the reasons they pretty much died off on this side of the pond in the first place.
Americans by and large tend to do laundry the way it has been done for ages. Large amounts of wash done once a week (or even longer), and that requires a machine with a decent capacity and cycles fast enough for Madame (or anyone else landed with the job), to get the thing over with quickly. The idea of doing wash every day,no matter how small the load, as per some European households is something that for the most part would drive Amercian housewives up the wall.
As for wash results and cycle times, commercial and laundromat front loaders get very good results indeed with wash cycles under 15 minutes. However for the most part such front loaders use much more water per cycle,and are designed to process laundry quickly to enhance turnover (not laundry, but allowing a machine to do more loads per day).
As one has repeatly stated, proper laundry practice is the sum of four main variables: time, temperature, chemicals, and mechanical action. If the last three, more importantly the final two are properly adjusted, one does not need hours of wash time to get the job done.
If one is laundering a grossly filthy laundry, a pre-wash or soak followed by a main wash cycle is vastly better than one long main wash cycle. Hence the reason most if not all laundromat and commercial washing machines have either a set pre-wash or it can be added by user/owner. Far better to have a change of water and detergent to carry off the loose and some of the heavy soil, then attack what remains in another cycle, then to have the lot stewing in one main wash cycle. Indeed results from this system (which is how laundry was done for ages anyway, even by hand)are better because there is less redeposition of muck onto textiles because the two short cycles allows muck to be kept away from laundry and goes down the drain. With non-phosphate detergents becoming the norm, this even more important.
Finally with domestic front loaders using less and less water for wash cycles, long wash times with so little water increases wear upon textiles. This is because textiles are now rubbing against themselves and the wash drum more harshly due to a lack of "extra" water to cushion the reaction. Of course drum movement (mechanical action), can be adjusted to compensate for this, but then you are back to those four variables again. Hence the long wash times because you have reduced mechanical action.
L.
One has to understand, at least from an Amercian point of view, front load washing machines with long cycle times are seen as a disadvantage. This is one of the reasons they pretty much died off on this side of the pond in the first place.
Americans by and large tend to do laundry the way it has been done for ages. Large amounts of wash done once a week (or even longer), and that requires a machine with a decent capacity and cycles fast enough for Madame (or anyone else landed with the job), to get the thing over with quickly. The idea of doing wash every day,no matter how small the load, as per some European households is something that for the most part would drive Amercian housewives up the wall.
As for wash results and cycle times, commercial and laundromat front loaders get very good results indeed with wash cycles under 15 minutes. However for the most part such front loaders use much more water per cycle,and are designed to process laundry quickly to enhance turnover (not laundry, but allowing a machine to do more loads per day).
As one has repeatly stated, proper laundry practice is the sum of four main variables: time, temperature, chemicals, and mechanical action. If the last three, more importantly the final two are properly adjusted, one does not need hours of wash time to get the job done.
If one is laundering a grossly filthy laundry, a pre-wash or soak followed by a main wash cycle is vastly better than one long main wash cycle. Hence the reason most if not all laundromat and commercial washing machines have either a set pre-wash or it can be added by user/owner. Far better to have a change of water and detergent to carry off the loose and some of the heavy soil, then attack what remains in another cycle, then to have the lot stewing in one main wash cycle. Indeed results from this system (which is how laundry was done for ages anyway, even by hand)are better because there is less redeposition of muck onto textiles because the two short cycles allows muck to be kept away from laundry and goes down the drain. With non-phosphate detergents becoming the norm, this even more important.
Finally with domestic front loaders using less and less water for wash cycles, long wash times with so little water increases wear upon textiles. This is because textiles are now rubbing against themselves and the wash drum more harshly due to a lack of "extra" water to cushion the reaction. Of course drum movement (mechanical action), can be adjusted to compensate for this, but then you are back to those four variables again. Hence the long wash times because you have reduced mechanical action.
L.
georgect
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Launderess...Hit the Nail on the Head!
Every word Launderess said (typed) is SO TRUE!
Another reason I love the Electrolux is, wash times are not outrageously long. In America, a top loader can finish a load of laundry within 30 to 45 minutes (no extra spin or rinse depending on the brand).
We also don't do laundry every day. We have one wash day a week...for the most part, (sometimes every other week).
We want a big machine that can do all of it in one shot fast and we want it CLEAN.
(Of course I separate my whites from my colors so I have two loads a week and that still adds up to a lot of laundry).
European wash times just wont cut it here...hence Americanized BIG capacity machines with shorter wash times.
I think Electrolux studied their American consumer very well.
Every word Launderess said (typed) is SO TRUE!
Another reason I love the Electrolux is, wash times are not outrageously long. In America, a top loader can finish a load of laundry within 30 to 45 minutes (no extra spin or rinse depending on the brand).
We also don't do laundry every day. We have one wash day a week...for the most part, (sometimes every other week).
We want a big machine that can do all of it in one shot fast and we want it CLEAN.
(Of course I separate my whites from my colors so I have two loads a week and that still adds up to a lot of laundry).
European wash times just wont cut it here...hence Americanized BIG capacity machines with shorter wash times.
I think Electrolux studied their American consumer very well.
The Affinity now is about to be sold in Europe
Here the REX-Electrolux italian version
http://www.euroelettrica.it/cgi-bin/public/dettaglio_trovaprezzi.cgi?id_prodotto=.5410424202
Here the REX-Electrolux italian version
http://www.euroelettrica.it/cgi-bin/public/dettaglio_trovaprezzi.cgi?id_prodotto=.5410424202
georgect
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Larry...status of WaveTouch?
Larry, we haven't heard what's going on with Sears and the re-delivery of a new WaveTouch.
Will you be receiving one this week (July 12-18)?
Looking forward to your posts, here and on Youtube.
Larry, we haven't heard what's going on with Sears and the re-delivery of a new WaveTouch.
Will you be receiving one this week (July 12-18)?
Looking forward to your posts, here and on Youtube.
Things are quiet on this end, plumber and electrical work being done in the garage and laundry area.
The wave touch still fills like the IQ washer when loaded.
Very little differences in the wash cycle, but the rinse cycle uses more water.
The wave touch still fills like the IQ washer when loaded.
Very little differences in the wash cycle, but the rinse cycle uses more water.
Plumber finished his job, but the plaster is taking freaking too long for a small job. WTF!
The european Affinity has some differences too.
Starting by the 220V power, against the 110V in USA and Brazil.
Also, it still have both hot and cold fills.
Starting by the 220V power, against the 110V in USA and Brazil.
Also, it still have both hot and cold fills.
georgect
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thomasortega...
WOOF!
Sorry nothing to do with the Affinity, just a frienldy "WOOF".
WOOF!
Sorry nothing to do with the Affinity, just a frienldy "WOOF".
Tired and got a headache. Doing laundry with no photo update, sorry!
Tylenol x Electrolux x bed
Larry, there's an easy way to get rid of the headache.
1) Toss a load in your Electrolux and forget it.
2) Have a Tylenol, maybe two, or maybe four or five aspirins.
3) Turn off your cell phone and unplug the phone.
4) Go to bed and forget the world exists until tomorrow morning.
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Georgect
Woof?
somebody please explain. LOL
Larry, there's an easy way to get rid of the headache.
1) Toss a load in your Electrolux and forget it.
2) Have a Tylenol, maybe two, or maybe four or five aspirins.
3) Turn off your cell phone and unplug the phone.
4) Go to bed and forget the world exists until tomorrow morning.
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Georgect
Woof?
somebody please explain. LOL
Thomas, I've done three of the four you've listed.
I'm feeling better, but need more rest and laundry! LOL
I'm feeling better, but need more rest and laundry! LOL
Lary... Well, if you want, I know a place where you can find 9 washing machines (4 electrolux) + an extra king size bed and a Dior duvet.
George... I got your email and almost had another heart attack.
Obs. Folks, some of you could be intrigued with the many times I talk about my Dior duvet. Just for you to understand, it's a joke some friends made relating my duvet which is a Dior (as most of you know, Dior is an ordinary and cheap brand) and the comedy character "Christian Pior", from a brazillian comedy show. (Christian Pior means Christian Worst in English)
Christian Pior is the gay (and funny) version of Miranda Priestly.
Below there's a Pior's video, when he visited a beach in greece. Be careful, some naked women appears on it (but it has those black stripes because the tv show is classified to 12 and older.)
George... I got your email and almost had another heart attack.
Obs. Folks, some of you could be intrigued with the many times I talk about my Dior duvet. Just for you to understand, it's a joke some friends made relating my duvet which is a Dior (as most of you know, Dior is an ordinary and cheap brand) and the comedy character "Christian Pior", from a brazillian comedy show. (Christian Pior means Christian Worst in English)
Christian Pior is the gay (and funny) version of Miranda Priestly.
Below there's a Pior's video, when he visited a beach in greece. Be careful, some naked women appears on it (but it has those black stripes because the tv show is classified to 12 and older.)
Of course i forgot to paste the link... like always.... LOL
Just watching clip and it was so naughty!
LOL
LOL
rayjay
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Hey Larry........... So how is the Wave touch doing? Did Sears replace it yet for you? Let us know.
Ray
Ray
Unfortunatelly I don't know how to make subtitles. and most of his jokes are understandable only in portuguese because of the context.
His comments are hilarious... They are something like:
"This party is only for rich people like me that know how to eat caviar and drink Veuve Clicquot, not for poor people like you that think Nike is a "chic" brand.."
Or
"Look at this lady. she's so elegant and rich that she never farts. She releases flower scents. Not like you, POOR, that looks like an atomic bomb after eating beans."
he never says "Hello people, hello my friend or hello [your name]" He always says "hello person" using a very arrogant and "gay" accent.
His comments are hilarious... They are something like:
"This party is only for rich people like me that know how to eat caviar and drink Veuve Clicquot, not for poor people like you that think Nike is a "chic" brand.."
Or
"Look at this lady. she's so elegant and rich that she never farts. She releases flower scents. Not like you, POOR, that looks like an atomic bomb after eating beans."
he never says "Hello people, hello my friend or hello [your name]" He always says "hello person" using a very arrogant and "gay" accent.
Hey Larry, I was going to ask the same thing...
Did they replace your "degradeé painting" WT?
Did they replace your "degradeé painting" WT?
georgect
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Bleach Release Question
Anyone know when the bleach is released during a wash cycle?
I assume it's toward the end of the cycle so enzymes can do their work but anyone know how much time bleach is actually in the drum with the clothes?
I manually add bleach (to my top loader) the last 6 minutes of the wash cycle.
Anyone know when the bleach is released during a wash cycle?
I assume it's toward the end of the cycle so enzymes can do their work but anyone know how much time bleach is actually in the drum with the clothes?
I manually add bleach (to my top loader) the last 6 minutes of the wash cycle.
In US FL washers, bleach is generally dispensed during the first rinse. At least in any US FL washer that I've used! :/
I'm not sure if it has it or not. But during the phoject I remember some discutions to puta a oxybleach dispenser function too.
the oxibleach (sodium percabonate) should be added to the detergent dispenser AFTER the washer finishes the 1st fill and it would be flushed only when the water reaches the minimum temperature required for the best performance.
I think larry could tell us what was the result. Do they kept this feature or not?
Liquid bleach is released on the first rinse, usually after the fill to avoid damaging the clothes. I think that's standard on all modern Electrolux machines around the world.
the oxibleach (sodium percabonate) should be added to the detergent dispenser AFTER the washer finishes the 1st fill and it would be flushed only when the water reaches the minimum temperature required for the best performance.
I think larry could tell us what was the result. Do they kept this feature or not?
Liquid bleach is released on the first rinse, usually after the fill to avoid damaging the clothes. I think that's standard on all modern Electrolux machines around the world.
georgect
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Is there a reason why liquid bleach isn't added toward the end of the wash cycle?
Why is it added to the first rinse cycle when chemicals should be rinsed out?
Also (in Electrolux washers), is there a spin after washing before first rinse and additional spins between additional rinses?
Why is it added to the first rinse cycle when chemicals should be rinsed out?
Also (in Electrolux washers), is there a spin after washing before first rinse and additional spins between additional rinses?
That's because in some countries, some stupid housekeepers use amonia to degrease some kinds of fabric. (like kitchen towels)
amonia x chlorine, Do I need to say something else?
amonia x chlorine, Do I need to say something else?
yes, there are spins between the rinses
earthling177
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Some people say that bleach should be added to the first rinse, never the wash -- the "put it in the wash" thing came out as a shortcut when housewives in America started using it in a fairly simple process (when all that was available was either a tub/handwash or a a "conventional"/non-automatic washer): they essentially had only 3 baths/phases, namely wash, rinse, rinse.
The correct, most effective process, should always have been wash, rinse/bleach, rinse, rinse. The bleach in the first rinse (cooler water) has a chance to actually react with the stains/clothes instead of a massive amount of dirt in the wash water, also, even though bleach in hotter water tends to react faster, it also tends to evaporate from the water very quickly and tends to last longer (hang around longer) in colder water. Also, remember that chlorine bleach is non-selective, it will react with almost anything, including the detergent, so allowing time for the detergent to work in the wash is better than obliterating part of the detergent in the last few minutes (or the full) wash. Finally, you don't need nearly as much bleach in the first rinse for the same effect as bleach in the wash, but don't hold your breath waiting for bleach manufacturers to tell you that. ;-)
The correct, most effective process, should always have been wash, rinse/bleach, rinse, rinse. The bleach in the first rinse (cooler water) has a chance to actually react with the stains/clothes instead of a massive amount of dirt in the wash water, also, even though bleach in hotter water tends to react faster, it also tends to evaporate from the water very quickly and tends to last longer (hang around longer) in colder water. Also, remember that chlorine bleach is non-selective, it will react with almost anything, including the detergent, so allowing time for the detergent to work in the wash is better than obliterating part of the detergent in the last few minutes (or the full) wash. Finally, you don't need nearly as much bleach in the first rinse for the same effect as bleach in the wash, but don't hold your breath waiting for bleach manufacturers to tell you that. ;-)
Also (in Electrolux washers), is there a spin after washing
It depends on what cycle being used.
Delicate, hand wash, and I think casual and colors are no spin after wash.
I will check and see later, I'm at work right now.
P.S. still have the machine and living with the color.....
It depends on what cycle being used.
Delicate, hand wash, and I think casual and colors are no spin after wash.
I will check and see later, I'm at work right now.
P.S. still have the machine and living with the color.....
rayjay
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Some people say that bleach should be added to the first rin
Growing up in the 50's we had a GE wringer washer. The whites were the first wash, then they were wrung into a wash tub with warm water and bleach, then rinsed twice. The results were outstanding.
Growing up in the 50's we had a GE wringer washer. The whites were the first wash, then they were wrung into a wash tub with warm water and bleach, then rinsed twice. The results were outstanding.
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