EPA Reversals

[johnb300m]

I just want to add, I think Tide used to rinse BETTER maybe 10yrs ago vs today.
Whatever low sudsing agents they used to use, seems like they removed them.
But P&G keeps £¥¢@ing with their formulas.
Even Cascade is stupid foamy today!

 

[givemehotwater]

Everyone, I assure you—I’m not overusing detergent. With these new machines, I’ve used no more than two tablespoons, sometimes as little as half a tablespoon. If you keep cutting the dose further, nothing will come out properly clean. A mere splash of detergent isn’t enough to wash everything away.

My most recent testing involved a GE GFW148SSMWW at a friend’s place and I was equally unimpressed with the Miele W1’s rinsing performance. Both machines run on NYC tap water (~1 GPG) and struggle with proper rinsing, leading to stiff towels—something I believe is due to inadequate rinsing.

I'm fortunate to own an old set of Whirlpool Direct Drive washers, which I purchased when I bought my home in 2004. I've never had a problem getting a clean rinse in them.

 

[johnb300m]

You are a unicorn then.
IDK.
Lots of people don’t have this issue.

Are you worried about a few little bubbles on the boot?
I’ll be honest, I’ve had lots of top loaders too, and even when those do all their deep rinsing, that rinse water is NOT crystal clear. There were soap suds remnants ( not much, but still visible!) in there too.

If the slight soap residue is really an issue you’ll want to find a special hypoallergenic detergent product.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

softener

Have you tried softener to knock down the suds? I don't have a problem in the Speed Queen Commercials. I always use heavy soil to get a deep rinse anyway.

 

[henene4]

I usually no longer chime into this kind of thread on here - but I'm already in a "picking fights" mood (even at work - rightfully so though), so what...

"Water running out isn't an issue here" really encapsulates the issue with such discussions.
It's not bad here, so how can it be a problem at all???

Gee I wonder how a state consistently hotter, more densly populated, more agriculturally important and dryer could have more water issues than one literally wetter than most of Germany...

And why do they regulate a whole country? How could they?
No, they should regulate every person individually - but wait that would be overregulation, wouldn't it?

And I mean, how could they ask for something the EU has been doing for *checks watch* decades? Without issues?

*clutches pearls* *grabs pitchfork*

 

[combo52]

Rinsing performance

Hi, GHW,

You’re probably always going to see a few bubbles even if you don’t even use detergent in the soft water you have in the New York area, you could put a tiny bit of fabric softener in the rinse if you’re concerned about this.

Bear in mind that it doesn’t hurt anything to leave some detergent in your clothing in fact, it’s actually good for the machine and for your clothing you should not use so little detergent that things don’t get clean.

We’ve been able to demonstrate over the years that people that over rinse things tend to destroy the seals in the washers and cause early severe failures. This is worse, of course in harder water areas.

Running out of water it’s not really the problem. It’s the amount of energy. It takes to pump it and treat it. Large amounts of natural gas and oil are being burned every day to pump and treat water. It just doesn’t fall out of the sky fall into your washing machine and disappear so the large amounts of water you’re using to run an old top load Washer are very significant you’re easily using four times the amount of water necessary to have clean clothing.

John L

 

[mattl]

I live in MI, a state surrounded by water. Yet I a single occupant with newer efficient equipment and 3 out of 4 toilets being lowflow pay $80+/m for water.  Well over a decade since I've used my underground sprinklers, same for my neighbors. I love my FL machines, really helped with the bills.

 

[Chetlaham]

Large amounts of natural gas and oil are being burned every day because wind, solar and hydro are not viable, practical, economical, or manageable. And probably never will be. Solar panels on your roof don't count for the actual amount of energy society uses. 


 

 

Let alone the fact modern appliances actually waste energy as just on example of being sent to landfills every 5-10 years when the technology exists to build them running 60+ years.


 

 

 

 

[maytag85]

Reply #146

Even when sitting there idle, today’s appliances still pull power and sure it may not be much, but adds up quickly over time.

 

[me]

# 146

Wind, solar hydro not viable etc...

Last year wind turbines provided the UK's national grid with 83 terawatt-hours, around 25% of Britain's electricity and second only to gas. It's the cheapest source of electricity generation in the UK.

It's a shame we don't have more locations for hydro based storage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3e3g9xv3ylo

 

[launderess]

"Even when sitting there idle, today’s appliances still pull power and sure it may not be much, but adds up quickly over time."

They do say for that reason it's best to unplug appliances or electronics of all sorts when they are not being used.

Televisions, audio and so forth, anything with a "standby" mode or something simple as a clock/electronic display all pull power even when "off".

 

[me]

Standby power.

There are so call Zero Standby power devices, which use less than 5mW in standby.

Someone even developed a zero power remote control system, where the receiver generates enough power to turn itself on from the light from a laser in the remote control.

I tend to switch most appliances like my washer off at the socket when not in use, saves wear and tear on the electronics and PSU.

 

[henene4]

Let's assume your washer or DW pulls 1W standby power.

So 1000h is 1kWh.
That's almost 6 weeks.

A typical DW load uses just about 1kWh.
Tell me ANY appliance that is plugged in constantly and only used once or twice in 6 weeks.
Standby usage is real - but damn are you grasping at straws if that dollar a year is your argument against saving 30 times that EASILY just in power.

 

[johnb300m]

The brain drain in the USA is real.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

chetlaham

I agree with your statement. They also don't perform adequately compared to their older counterparts. Just ask any farmer, mechanic, or any typical family that gets dirty about what they think of their modern appliances. They can tell you they don't clean clothes in just 6 inches of water.

 

[maytag85]

“The brain drain in the USA is real”

I think a common sense drain is more accurate.

 

[tolivac]

Most water delivery to you is done by gravity,from the water towers in your area. Only time energy is used to run the pump that fills the tower. This varies on how much water is used-high use the fill pumps runs more and stops when the tower tank is full.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

tolivac...

Very well said!

 

[me]

Over here, water towers have mostly been made redundant by modern pumps. Many have been demolished and others converted/developed into unusual homes.

 

[tolivac]

There are two water towers in my neighborhood area.