toploadloyalist
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What year did GE washers first stopped agitating with the lid open? Back in the 70s, I had neighbors with a c.1969 GE (the first filter-flo I ever saw!) that continued agitating with the lid open.
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GE Mulit Speed Clutches
Alex the solenoid you pictured was a very rare one that was only used on the three and four speed clutches. These 3&4 SP clutches used two of these solenoids, this solenoid will not work for the much more popular two SP clutch you have. It is amazing to even see one of these rare solenoids. I recently sold a 3 SP GE washer to GE extra-rince[ Matthew ] maybe he needs this, but I have never seen a bad one.
Alex the solenoid you pictured was a very rare one that was only used on the three and four speed clutches. These 3&4 SP clutches used two of these solenoids, this solenoid will not work for the much more popular two SP clutch you have. It is amazing to even see one of these rare solenoids. I recently sold a 3 SP GE washer to GE extra-rince[ Matthew ] maybe he needs this, but I have never seen a bad one.
tecnopolis
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That solenoid did look different from the ones that were already paired with the motors I had seen for sale and wondered if there were more than one I needed. .
Thanks for clearing that up for me combo52!
Thanks for clearing that up for me combo52!
tecnopolis
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d-jones, I'll look through my history to see if I can relocate the page.
tecnopolis
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...give me that metal mini-basket and nobody gets hurt!
Metal Mini-Basket ?
I think it is white plastic, I have never heard of a metal one, does anyone know anything different ?
Your picture is my all time favorite pair of GEs from the 60s, I have this pair with the four speed clutch and no bleach dispenser.
I think it is white plastic, I have never heard of a metal one, does anyone know anything different ?
Your picture is my all time favorite pair of GEs from the 60s, I have this pair with the four speed clutch and no bleach dispenser.
tecnopolis
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Difference between large and extra large capacity agitators.
tecnopolis
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..trying out knobs from a newer GE washer. i like the chrome ring around the newer knobs. the older knobs are yellowed and don't look crisp and white.
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tecnopolis
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"progress is our most important product"
You know, that's one thing I really liked are those chrome ring knobs from newer GE washers. They make the washer look a lot more expensive than it is.
Those knobs also suffer from yellowing as well.. but at least they're newer.
Those knobs also suffer from yellowing as well.. but at least they're newer.
tecnopolis
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Luckily these have not. The newer knobs are from our 7-year old washer which is in a laundry room without windows. If we had had a window in there I'm sure they would too have yellowed like you said.
I wanted to try them on for size. They fit perfectly, including the timer knob. It would be a swell upgrade to give the beige and white facade a little bling factor with the chrome rings, but I'm a sucker for black-n-chrome, and going to switch out the console as I mentioned above.
But still, my how the mighty have fallen. GE used to have some real lookers for their laundry equipment back in the day and I often wonder what happened to the magic?
Then I saw this book and read the synopsis, it explained all.
Looks like good reading.
"With convincing passion and meticulous research, Thomas F. O'Boyle explores the forces behind General Electric's rise to the top of Wall Street, questioning if GE, with chief executive officer Jack Welch at the helm, is still "bringing good things to life." Welch--explosive, profit-hungry, and pragmatic--catapulted GE's stocks to the top, up 1,155 percent from 1982 to 1997. O'Boyle argues that these astounding results have come only with the heavy price of employees' lives, blighted under the tyranny of "Neutron Jack" Welch, so named for his bomb-like ability to eliminate staff without disturbing surrounding operations. During Welch's reign, hard-nosed success tactics--unblinking downsizing, ruthless acquisition negotiations, and the virtual abandonment of manufacturing in favor of the more glamorous entertainment and financial services industries--coexist with scandals like price-fixing, pollution, and defense contract fraud. Sure to spark controversy, this gripping, comprehensive account begs the greater question: Is Jack Welch's GE a model company for business in the next century, or is it time to change the way the world does business?
"Smoothly written and thoroughly researched." --USA Today
"This book makes a valuable contribution to our understanding of corporate America. . . . Thomas F. O'Boyle persuades you that GE--Jack Welch's GE--brings bad things to life. In abundance." --Washington Monthly
I wanted to try them on for size. They fit perfectly, including the timer knob. It would be a swell upgrade to give the beige and white facade a little bling factor with the chrome rings, but I'm a sucker for black-n-chrome, and going to switch out the console as I mentioned above.
But still, my how the mighty have fallen. GE used to have some real lookers for their laundry equipment back in the day and I often wonder what happened to the magic?
Then I saw this book and read the synopsis, it explained all.
Looks like good reading.
"With convincing passion and meticulous research, Thomas F. O'Boyle explores the forces behind General Electric's rise to the top of Wall Street, questioning if GE, with chief executive officer Jack Welch at the helm, is still "bringing good things to life." Welch--explosive, profit-hungry, and pragmatic--catapulted GE's stocks to the top, up 1,155 percent from 1982 to 1997. O'Boyle argues that these astounding results have come only with the heavy price of employees' lives, blighted under the tyranny of "Neutron Jack" Welch, so named for his bomb-like ability to eliminate staff without disturbing surrounding operations. During Welch's reign, hard-nosed success tactics--unblinking downsizing, ruthless acquisition negotiations, and the virtual abandonment of manufacturing in favor of the more glamorous entertainment and financial services industries--coexist with scandals like price-fixing, pollution, and defense contract fraud. Sure to spark controversy, this gripping, comprehensive account begs the greater question: Is Jack Welch's GE a model company for business in the next century, or is it time to change the way the world does business?
"Smoothly written and thoroughly researched." --USA Today
"This book makes a valuable contribution to our understanding of corporate America. . . . Thomas F. O'Boyle persuades you that GE--Jack Welch's GE--brings bad things to life. In abundance." --Washington Monthly
The GE Filter-Flo was a testament to decent North American Engineering.
IMHO, it seemed to me that this platform kind of peaked in the late 1960's with the development of the Versatronic system. It wasn't the best engineering, but it was really cutting edge at the time and there was nothing quite like it.
Then everything just kind plateaued and nothing happened until the early 1990's when they finally decided to abandon the platform and design everything from scratch. You could certainly tell though that they wanted to cut corners and make everything cheaper to manufacture.
The new platform did have the advantage of larger tubs, indented tubs for greater surface area, Microprocessor control.. but they went to a 30 degree agitator stroke, plastic gears and lots of generally inferior engineering in general.
Then they thought up the Hydrowave system, which in theory wasn't a bad idea per say... A high voltage DC controlled servo, no transmission and the mode selector technology. (Of which, unfortunately, it was flawed. Mode selectors would burn out and get stuck into the spin mode, oddly enough. Probably a good thing that they stuck in this mode, rather than getting stuck in agitation mode. An agitator spinning at 600 RPM wouldn't really do good things to clothing.)
I think if anything, GE would benefit considerably if they brought the Filter-Flo technology back using modern electronics and technology. It would also take a good marketing effort too, to give people an incentive to buy it.
Heck, if they are adverse to the idea of using a filter pan, they could always use the rimflow technology instead... But personally, I like filter pans better.
I wish you the best of luck in building your frankenmachine...
I think it would be quite an endeavor for the forum members to develop "The Ultimate Filter-Flo" machine.. This would be far beyond my mechanical capabilities, but I certainly have a few good ideas!
IMHO, it seemed to me that this platform kind of peaked in the late 1960's with the development of the Versatronic system. It wasn't the best engineering, but it was really cutting edge at the time and there was nothing quite like it.
Then everything just kind plateaued and nothing happened until the early 1990's when they finally decided to abandon the platform and design everything from scratch. You could certainly tell though that they wanted to cut corners and make everything cheaper to manufacture.
The new platform did have the advantage of larger tubs, indented tubs for greater surface area, Microprocessor control.. but they went to a 30 degree agitator stroke, plastic gears and lots of generally inferior engineering in general.
Then they thought up the Hydrowave system, which in theory wasn't a bad idea per say... A high voltage DC controlled servo, no transmission and the mode selector technology. (Of which, unfortunately, it was flawed. Mode selectors would burn out and get stuck into the spin mode, oddly enough. Probably a good thing that they stuck in this mode, rather than getting stuck in agitation mode. An agitator spinning at 600 RPM wouldn't really do good things to clothing.)
I think if anything, GE would benefit considerably if they brought the Filter-Flo technology back using modern electronics and technology. It would also take a good marketing effort too, to give people an incentive to buy it.
Heck, if they are adverse to the idea of using a filter pan, they could always use the rimflow technology instead... But personally, I like filter pans better.
I wish you the best of luck in building your frankenmachine...
I think it would be quite an endeavor for the forum members to develop "The Ultimate Filter-Flo" machine.. This would be far beyond my mechanical capabilities, but I certainly have a few good ideas!
Which makes me wonder about something... How well would a heavily modified Hydrowave system work with Filter-Flo technology?
The agitator on a Hydrowave machine spins 360 degrees, which is kind of a strange reversal from the 90 degree stroke on a Filter-Flo, then down to the 30 degree stroke on their more modern platforms..
Would it work better with a ramp style agitator instead of a fin-type?
I do have to admit how much machining would have to be done to make everything "fit".
It almost makes me wish I had enough knowledge to build a custom one-off.
The agitator on a Hydrowave machine spins 360 degrees, which is kind of a strange reversal from the 90 degree stroke on a Filter-Flo, then down to the 30 degree stroke on their more modern platforms..
Would it work better with a ramp style agitator instead of a fin-type?
I do have to admit how much machining would have to be done to make everything "fit".
It almost makes me wish I had enough knowledge to build a custom one-off.
tecnopolis
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** Something related I posted in another thread regarding modified GE Filtewr-Flo**
I have an extra Stainless steel basket from a newer GE I thought of having modified to fit the Filter-Flo. The newer tub uses a mounting hub and it is that hub that would need to be drilled to accept the filter flo tub mount.
I spoke to a welder about possibly welding something together and he was afraid the Newer tub hub was made of "pot" metal and would not stand up to any temperatures welding would create.
He also mentioned it would be very hard to get everything "hubcentric" to eliminate any balancing issues. Not to big a deal for washing, but not ideal when spinning.
I have an extra Stainless steel basket from a newer GE I thought of having modified to fit the Filter-Flo. The newer tub uses a mounting hub and it is that hub that would need to be drilled to accept the filter flo tub mount.
I spoke to a welder about possibly welding something together and he was afraid the Newer tub hub was made of "pot" metal and would not stand up to any temperatures welding would create.
He also mentioned it would be very hard to get everything "hubcentric" to eliminate any balancing issues. Not to big a deal for washing, but not ideal when spinning.
tecnopolis
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** continued **
It would be easy to modify a drain pump from any washer or dish washer to act as a re circulation pump, the rub would be in creating an opening deep enough into the outer tub to provide for pickup and prevent cavitation. It would also be very noisy since it would have to run constantly during the wash cycle, sometimes as long as 14 minutes?
And I would also have to create some kind of balance ring as I don't think the upper stainless steel tub would be able to resist deformation during a high spin without some kind of bracing.
It would be easy to modify a drain pump from any washer or dish washer to act as a re circulation pump, the rub would be in creating an opening deep enough into the outer tub to provide for pickup and prevent cavitation. It would also be very noisy since it would have to run constantly during the wash cycle, sometimes as long as 14 minutes?
And I would also have to create some kind of balance ring as I don't think the upper stainless steel tub would be able to resist deformation during a high spin without some kind of bracing.
I know were talking all GE here......but wouldn't the SS tub of a newer Speed Queen fit the bill better......especially the opening for the tranny, I am trying to recall the tubs bottom under the agitator....not to mention this would have the balance ring too........
something to check out!
I would have to jump over to my brothers and pull his agitator out and snap a pic.....give me a little time Alex...
something to check out!
I would have to jump over to my brothers and pull his agitator out and snap a pic.....give me a little time Alex...
tecnopolis
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...the balance ring for the newer GE tub attaches to the outer tub which is not possible with the Filter-Flo outer tub. Too bad!
tecnopolis
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I went ahead and ordered some new control knobs off ebay just to change things up a bit and give this ugly betty some bling.
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