Eugene, thank you so much for taking the time to make these videos. Even more convinces me my Whirlpool Duet with Steam, Allergen, and Sanitize capabilities are far superior.
Finally the full wash video of the new 2018 Speed Queen washer
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Eugene, I just wanted to add my thanks for the videos. Great job.
My observations are the same as most others, if they are going to stick with this design they need to redesign the agitator to try to get more rollover on large loads. With a 1 HP motor they can surely do better.
My observations are the same as most others, if they are going to stick with this design they need to redesign the agitator to try to get more rollover on large loads. With a 1 HP motor they can surely do better.
my observations
I have to agree. My Kenmore Elite does a better job with the upscale laundry detergent and fabric softener than this speed queen. It may work for office dust. My Kenmore Elite has the accelawash and is made by LG.
I don't see how this new speed queen would clean your Dear Uncle Trevor's jeans and overalls after a nice sunny day in the yard making mud pies with the kids or Dear Aunt Sally's gardening clothes.
I have to agree. My Kenmore Elite does a better job with the upscale laundry detergent and fabric softener than this speed queen. It may work for office dust. My Kenmore Elite has the accelawash and is made by LG.
I don't see how this new speed queen would clean your Dear Uncle Trevor's jeans and overalls after a nice sunny day in the yard making mud pies with the kids or Dear Aunt Sally's gardening clothes.
Maytag vs Speed Queen 2018
Maytag Commercial TL wins hands down. Wash ability is like that of a DD machine. Why couldn’t SQ design a machine like the Maytag Commercial TL? Maytag really is going to give SQ a run for the money considering their new washer costs less and has a 5 year warranty. Sorry as a SQ customer I would pass in their 2018 reincarnation and go with Maytag.
Thanks Eugene for the awesome and informative videos.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Mike
Maytag Commercial TL wins hands down. Wash ability is like that of a DD machine. Why couldn’t SQ design a machine like the Maytag Commercial TL? Maytag really is going to give SQ a run for the money considering their new washer costs less and has a 5 year warranty. Sorry as a SQ customer I would pass in their 2018 reincarnation and go with Maytag.
Thanks Eugene for the awesome and informative videos.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Mike
gusherb
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Yes, that Maytag commercial TL is very appealing now. So is the F&P WashSmart machine, apparently they're offering a warranty extension to 5 years if one claims online until 6/30/18. Must've been competing against SQ.
WashSmart & New Maytag
As mentioned earlier, we were thinking about the WashSmart, so decided to find every on-line review we could find.
Sounds like we may have been mistaken about how F&P controls the incoming cold temperature @ 20 degrees Celsius. Noticed several comments about how The cold temperature is only controlled when a "Cold" wash is selected; so, that wouldn't help us compensate for colder water during the winter, when we run a "Warm" wash cycle.
The other negative hot buttons were a few comments about the rod suspension system, & many complaints about lint. Perhaps, some of the F&P experts can chime in.
Sounds like the new Maytag is going to be the machine everyone talks about, in 2018. We were wondering how it goes about delivering a warm water wash. Assuming there are no sensors to help control the temperature?
Thanks for your help!
As mentioned earlier, we were thinking about the WashSmart, so decided to find every on-line review we could find.
Sounds like we may have been mistaken about how F&P controls the incoming cold temperature @ 20 degrees Celsius. Noticed several comments about how The cold temperature is only controlled when a "Cold" wash is selected; so, that wouldn't help us compensate for colder water during the winter, when we run a "Warm" wash cycle.
The other negative hot buttons were a few comments about the rod suspension system, & many complaints about lint. Perhaps, some of the F&P experts can chime in.
Sounds like the new Maytag is going to be the machine everyone talks about, in 2018. We were wondering how it goes about delivering a warm water wash. Assuming there are no sensors to help control the temperature?
Thanks for your help!
Trappn,
All previous F&P models had the temperatures specifically controlled for all selections except Hot, on which the behavior varied from controlled on some model/series to being tap-hot on others.
For example, the service manual I have for Phase 9 machines (which date circa 2010, previous to the current offerings) states:
Hot = 130°F
Hot/Warm = 115°F
Warm = 105°F
Warm/Cold = 95°F
Cold Plus [controlled] = 60°F
Cold [tap] = supply temperature
The controlled temperature points varied over the progression of models. For example, my 2004 model runs Hot at tap-hot, and Warm at 115°F. Older models in the mid/late 1990s had 120°F for Hot and 95°F for Warm.
I don't have hands-on familiarity with the current WashSmart model but I'd be surprised if it doesn't follow the established pattern of controlling all the temp choices except tap-Cold.
Thanks, DADoES
The only thing I see in their current marketing is the mention of "Controlled Cold," which could mean almost anything.
Some of the reviewers commented that an inordinate amount of hot water was being dumped on their cloths, followed by uncontrolled cold water to complete the fill.
Time to reach out to one of the local dealers, if any are left. Maybe they have a current owner's manual. Thanks for your help!
The only thing I see in their current marketing is the mention of "Controlled Cold," which could mean almost anything.
Some of the reviewers commented that an inordinate amount of hot water was being dumped on their cloths, followed by uncontrolled cold water to complete the fill.
Time to reach out to one of the local dealers, if any are left. Maybe they have a current owner's manual. Thanks for your help!
When get a NEW washer-if that happens,would consider the "commercial" Maytag over the new "agitub" SQ.Think this machine is going to KILL SQ home appliance dept!Watched the video-NOT impressed even with small loads.DON'T BUY!!!!Go Maytag!!!At least their machine has a REAL agitator and REAL wash action!The SQ just uselessly spins and paddles things around.
Sad to say but..... i have already put the new SQ on my do not buy list, i have a 4 year old lg front load that i like but i moved and my washer is on the right so the door gets in the way, i have been thinking about going back to a top load again, i seriously would consider the new commercial maytag, i prob will get the ge 860 model with smart dispense as i already have the matching dryer from 2013 that is still going strong.
ultralux88
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Lorainfurniture
I can say from experience the direct drive Whirlpool does a damn good job of cleaning clothes, Even the old belt drive did a great job, until I splattered oil all over the floor and quit working. Its disappointing to see these new machines not cleaning as well as the design they replaced. I wonder if they will make any changes to the design as time continues? I can't imagine they want customers complaining about the wash quality...
I can say from experience the direct drive Whirlpool does a damn good job of cleaning clothes, Even the old belt drive did a great job, until I splattered oil all over the floor and quit working. Its disappointing to see these new machines not cleaning as well as the design they replaced. I wonder if they will make any changes to the design as time continues? I can't imagine they want customers complaining about the wash quality...
speedqueen
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This is just a blasted power soaking machine. No water currents, no clothes action, just enzyme soak.
Just about any washer with an independent agitator including WCI angel wings and a Maytag set to gentle would work better. In fact it looks like the original Frigidaire Agi-Tub was better too.
Just about any washer with an independent agitator including WCI angel wings and a Maytag set to gentle would work better. In fact it looks like the original Frigidaire Agi-Tub was better too.
Eugene, I watched your video review and it's nice work, and a good summary of the your videos and results. It was very fair, nobody can say you didn't test the machine thoroughly before drawing your conclusions.
SQ really should rethink this design, even their own engineers in the sales video seemed kind of half-hearted about it.
Thanks again for all your work making and posting the videos. I hope you continue to do more of them on other new machines. Happy New Year!
SQ really should rethink this design, even their own engineers in the sales video seemed kind of half-hearted about it.
Thanks again for all your work making and posting the videos. I hope you continue to do more of them on other new machines. Happy New Year!
Eugene, from the bottom of my heart, I thank you immensely for taking the time to do videos. And thank you for the candor of your overall review. I can hear the pain and disappointment in your voice and it's definitely warranted. And I also tip my hat to you for being honest and being respectful and mindful of your customers. Bob
Like the HONEST review---And how you recommend that the buyer go to a different brand or type of machine.
toploader55
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What ashame
The momentum to watch Speed Queen climb to the top only to blow it with such a horrific design.
Thank You Eugene for the persistent testing to see if there was any positive notes on this design. You did find some good but not enough.
I highly respect you for not recommending this machine to your customers.
I think Allied should have just discontinued their Top Loader and stuck with the Front Load Machine.
The momentum to watch Speed Queen climb to the top only to blow it with such a horrific design.
Thank You Eugene for the persistent testing to see if there was any positive notes on this design. You did find some good but not enough.
I highly respect you for not recommending this machine to your customers.
I think Allied should have just discontinued their Top Loader and stuck with the Front Load Machine.
joeypete
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FP Water temps
I've had my WashSmart since November and I can fill you in about some things. First of all, this machine only uses water temp selected during the initial fill to Eco Active stage, where it recirculates the concentrated water/detergent solution on the items for 4 minutes. It then finishes filling with uncontrolled cold water. So depending on the season and location, can be very cold or not so cold. The only cycle that fills completely with the temp selected is Allergy. I don't have a thermometer but I can tell you compared to the other machines I've used, the selected water temp comes out TRUE. Hot is dang hot and warm is almost what hot was on my previous machines. So it doesn't appear that they dumb down the temps. There is an option to turn on or off controlled cold only. I have controlled cold on now simply because tap cold water in NH in the winter is very cold. However like I said, the machine finishes filling with that and you can't change that, aside from using Allergy.
To be clear, this is NOT an HE machine. It fills completely with water with complete manual control over load sizes. The auto load feature works surprisingly well and does use less water, but not low water by any means. From what I've noticed, auto will pick a load size roughly 1 smaller than if you selected it manually by using the load size guides on the agitator. Sometimes I've had to pause it and select the size manually (which is great you can do), just because I wanted a little more water. It's a very versatile machine.
Overall I've been very impressed with this machine. It's cleaned the dickens out of everything I've put in. Granted my stuff doesn't get that dirty but I've had some cat puke incidents on my bedding that came out no problem.
Mine did come with a 5 year warranty. Overall reviews are very positive. I did have 1 person comment on my YouTube videos that he had many problems with his, but I know 2 people personally that have had this machine for going on 10 or more years with no problems. It's a very simple machine actually. Even the suspension rods are easy to fix.
Hope that helps.
I've had my WashSmart since November and I can fill you in about some things. First of all, this machine only uses water temp selected during the initial fill to Eco Active stage, where it recirculates the concentrated water/detergent solution on the items for 4 minutes. It then finishes filling with uncontrolled cold water. So depending on the season and location, can be very cold or not so cold. The only cycle that fills completely with the temp selected is Allergy. I don't have a thermometer but I can tell you compared to the other machines I've used, the selected water temp comes out TRUE. Hot is dang hot and warm is almost what hot was on my previous machines. So it doesn't appear that they dumb down the temps. There is an option to turn on or off controlled cold only. I have controlled cold on now simply because tap cold water in NH in the winter is very cold. However like I said, the machine finishes filling with that and you can't change that, aside from using Allergy.
To be clear, this is NOT an HE machine. It fills completely with water with complete manual control over load sizes. The auto load feature works surprisingly well and does use less water, but not low water by any means. From what I've noticed, auto will pick a load size roughly 1 smaller than if you selected it manually by using the load size guides on the agitator. Sometimes I've had to pause it and select the size manually (which is great you can do), just because I wanted a little more water. It's a very versatile machine.
Overall I've been very impressed with this machine. It's cleaned the dickens out of everything I've put in. Granted my stuff doesn't get that dirty but I've had some cat puke incidents on my bedding that came out no problem.
Mine did come with a 5 year warranty. Overall reviews are very positive. I did have 1 person comment on my YouTube videos that he had many problems with his, but I know 2 people personally that have had this machine for going on 10 or more years with no problems. It's a very simple machine actually. Even the suspension rods are easy to fix.
Hope that helps.
