Gas dryers - visible flame?

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Having never used a gas dryer before, is there a visible flame in the drum? Such that if you held the door switch down and started the cycle, could you see flames or a glow of them, like you can an electric?

I remember reading on here about one old gas dryer, that had a perforated drum which through which flames wer visible. Clothes broiling? Scary! Sounds very unsafe to me. Apex maybe was the brand? Heard the electric version was similar.
 
The old gas dryers I remember from my college dorm in the '80s didn't have a visible flame when running. Had a glass window on the door to see inside the drum. That's my only experience with gas dryers, as I found they didn't dry particularly well.
 
I have heard in some cases though of visible flames, if a dryer set up for natural gas was accidentally run on propane. The flames would get large enough to be seen through the vent at the rear of drum. Since propane runs at a higher pressure than natural gas.
 
It was determined in early dryers that it was safest to have the flame above the tumbling fabrics in a dryer with a perforated drum and to move the heat through the dryer in a counter-flow pattern to prevent scorching and burning that could be experienced if the heat source were placed below the tumbling fabrics.  So if you have had the chance to look at an operating large capacity commercial gas dryer from the outside and could see the unenclosed burner box, you would see that the flames are at the top and the tips of the flames are pulled slightly down by the strong downward flow of air through the dryer.  You generally can't see the flames because they are not big enough to be visible from  inside the drum and the mostly blue flames do not give off as much light as a yellow flame with more glowing hydrocarbons such as a candle flame.  

 

Early domestic gas dryers with a perforated drum and a burner positioned like the heating element in an electric dryer in the upper quadrant  of the outer tub could have visible flames.  Early Hamilton gas dryers sought to cope with that situation by having a radiant plate that was exposed to the tumbling drum on one side and to the burner on the other  to prevent the products of combustion from passing through the tumbling fabrics, but it was a short-lived design.

 

Now if you had a gas-fired Whirlpool made dryer and you were to turn it on in a totally dark room and look in the glass door, you might be able to see the blue glow of the flame below and behind the inlet grill on the back of the drum bulkhead  as you can sometimes see the dull red glow of the electric heating element in the same area. 
 
Maytag gas dryers from the mid to late 50’s to the 80’s all had a small access panel on the bottom right hand corner for the burner and I am familiar with removing the small access panel to light the pilot on my 1973 Maytag DG306

A video of the burner in operation on my 1973 Maytag DG306.

 
Nyborg commercial dryers

Back when I was younger we went to a laundromat in a vacation town we visited every other year.

They had (and actually have) large prominently red Nyborg Gas dryers.
That brand is long gone but there machines made by Miele and Electrolux sold under that name through time.
This machine is closest to Miele probably though also not at all.

They have an almost Bunsen style burner on the left back of the drum that burns vertically.

In the old place (not the one I linked, though they are the same machines) there was an inspection hole on one dryer you could see the flame through.

In normal operation you might be abled to make out some red glow in the left back and maybe some flame from time to time.

One interesting thing is that those dryers are surprisingly low air flow (at least compared to the Miele machine that ran alongside them) and flame always burned quite red.
So not the best design.

If you increase airflow in a gas dryer you often get better combustion and a bluer flame.

But that greater air volume can pull the flames further.

That would potentially increase the chance of a flame touching the clothing under bad circumstances (as I said, those Nyborg machines would show flames from time to time).

With the burner below or above the drum 2 90° turns are usually used between burner and drum inlet.

Thus if the flame should ever grow to large for any reason, it is unlikely it could make that U-turn.

On these Nyborg dryers as well:

HORRIFIC performance.
Air flow was bad.
You had to use high temperature settings.

The Miele (or even the smaller ELux dryers in my go to laundromat back home) have the amazing advantage to have intense air flow.
Even with medium or low temperature settings you would get fast drying.

High drying temperatures were even and still not terribly extreme.

Those Nyborg dryers heated very unevenly and were running either obscenly hot or very cool.
And took a good 33% longer for the same loads.

 
And as they are now, all these dryers suck all the particles and toxic gases that are expelled when burning through your clothing.

That toxic gas is so bad you HAVE to vent a gas dryer, like a gas furnace and water heater, outside. This is according to manufacturers.

Then there is the brown residue that you will find in chimneys from gas burning appliances. That builds up on the inside of the dryer and ON YOUR CLOTHES.

You can see it when looking at the insides of older gas dryers. There is a noticeable smell and gross brown discoloration of the inside of the drum.

That doesn't happen with an electric dryer. [this post was last edited: 2/13/2021-17:33]

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Wouldn't go that far

Main reason to vent gas dryers isn't really the exhaust being all to toxic.

Biggest issue is just they use up tons of oxygen.
Venting them outside creates negative pressure in your home which replenishes the oxygen by just sucking in more air.

It's the same as with cars.

Yes you shouldn't huff the exhaust.
But you can't kill yourself with car exhaust anymore.

At least not the nice (CO) way.

And the amount of dirt being deposited isn't that big.

Most of what you see there is not residue caused by burning directly.

It's just the airflow passing by.
Over time that deposits stuff.
Static charge naturally builds up in most air paths over a great enough time frame.
 
Don’t see any evidence of unburnt deposits in my 1973 Maytag DG306. If there are deposits in the burner cone or plenum then the burner isn’t burning properly and the burner will need to be adjusted somehow. My 1973 Maytag DG306 has that one adjustable air mixing valve for the burner you can adjust and you will see it when you open the pilot access door.

A gas dryer doesn’t admit that much if any carbon monoxide at all according to John Lefever/combo52 plus there is tons of air being pulled through a gas dryer burner and burns more clean and efficient compared to a gas stove or gas water heater burner. Real reason why gas and electric dryers are exhausted to the outside is because of the lint and moisture that comes out of the exhaust.
 
Gas Dryers

Northeast Ohio has a huge majority of gas dryers instead of electric. They are very clean, cheaper to operate than electric, and very safe. I have a 62 year old gas dryer whose drum is just as clean as my 40 and 30 year old gas dryers, and just as clean as my many electric dryers. I do vent all my dryers, but there are a few neighbors and homes I've seen where their one gas dryer is not vented, and no one died, though I agree it isn't wise. When I bought my home, the previous tenants had an unvented gas dryer for 14 years they lived here, but I vented it within a week. And my whitest of whites are still whitest of whites after all that gas drying. Also, in my experience with gas versus electric, the electric burners seem to wear our more often than any parts of the gas burner/ignition system. Fewer repairs.
 
Electric dryers start on fire too

We had a 1959 GE electric dryer when I was a kid. The rear of the drum was perforated, and the heating coils were right behind the drum. When they were activated, they glowed bright red through the drum perforations. Yikes. Not a good design. If the dryer were overloaded, or had a bulky item in it, the items caught in the rear of the drum would scorch and plastic zippers could melt.

I believe GE and others still have that design to this day. WP and Maytag never did, and always had the electric coils in the same housing as the gas burner.

Nobody is right and nobody is wrong, but personally, electric dryers make me more uncomfortable about fire hazards than gas. I don’t like the idea of house wiring heating up with 6000 watts passing through it, and those hotter-than-a-firecracker fuses that eventually burn out and smoke also creep me out.

My gas dryers have never gotten dirty/sooty inside, or yellowed my clothes, or made them smell like gas.

Just my experience and opinion. There will never be universal agreement.
 
Here in Florida gas dryers seem quite rare. Homes might have a gas stove but usually everything else is electric (other than possibly a gas water heater if it's the tankless instant kind).

Even older mobile homes that might have a gas stove and furnace would still have an electric dryer and water heater.

As for the coils being visible I know what you mean on the GEs where the back wall is perforated. They are still made that way.

As for Whirlpools, I THINK (but don't quote me on it) our 70s Whirlpool made Kenmore we had when I was really young had coils that were visible through the rear vent. It's been so long, so I could be wrong. I know our 2004 Whirlpool made Kenmore does NOT have visible coils, but you can see a light glow from them through the vent.

I seem to remember reading on here that electric dryers pose more of a fire hazard with lint buildup than do gas.
 

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