58limited
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The front lip of the front outer drum half is chewed up. This part is $188 plus S&H.
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58limited
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The rear outer drum half looks OK - the bearings are good. Its just covered in debris from the aluminum that gave way.
58limited
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Looking at the GE parts website, you cannot just buy the shaft and trigon bracket. You have to buy the entire basket (inner drum) assembly which is $536.00 plus S&H. That plus the front outer drum half makes this not worth repairing. I can buy a new machine for a little more than the cost of these parts, or go for the SQ and hopefully not deal with this again in my lifetime - I doubt I will ever come remotely close to doing 25,000 loads of laundry
cfz2882
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corroded spider
the trigon bracket is known as the "spider"-with that only avalible as a complete
drum for $536(!)+ the shipping cost of a bulky item,that washer is way,way NWR...
A couple years back,a local appliance store was closing out some older style
frigidaire front loads(mid-'90s era basic design)and they wanted $349 for those-
a great deal,they sold out fast.when i did the bearing repair on the '98 frigilux
it's spider showed just minimal surface corrosion and it was a high usage machine
-original drain pump just about shot,noisy as hell.
the trigon bracket is known as the "spider"-with that only avalible as a complete
drum for $536(!)+ the shipping cost of a bulky item,that washer is way,way NWR...
A couple years back,a local appliance store was closing out some older style
frigidaire front loads(mid-'90s era basic design)and they wanted $349 for those-
a great deal,they sold out fast.when i did the bearing repair on the '98 frigilux
it's spider showed just minimal surface corrosion and it was a high usage machine
-original drain pump just about shot,noisy as hell.
58limited
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GE Parts
Get your GE parts here. HeHe.
Lots of good parts, but probably the ones that never fail, so I doubt there is a market for them. If anyone needs anything though, let me know.
I didn't know what the "spider" was, thanks for enlightening me. It wasn't even shown on the parts diagram.
Heading to my office to wash my work clothes for the coming week.[this post was last edited: 2/19/2012-19:45]
Get your GE parts here. HeHe.
Lots of good parts, but probably the ones that never fail, so I doubt there is a market for them. If anyone needs anything though, let me know.
I didn't know what the "spider" was, thanks for enlightening me. It wasn't even shown on the parts diagram.
Heading to my office to wash my work clothes for the coming week.[this post was last edited: 2/19/2012-19:45]
cfz2882
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7yrs not too bad for chinese import
was thinking 7 yrs really not too bad of a lifetime for a late model asian import
washer-may have made the 10 yr mark if spider had not corroded and broke...
Last year there was a thread about a repair on an LG direct drive and it's spider,
though still intact,was really nasty!
was thinking 7 yrs really not too bad of a lifetime for a late model asian import
washer-may have made the 10 yr mark if spider had not corroded and broke...
Last year there was a thread about a repair on an LG direct drive and it's spider,
though still intact,was really nasty!
58limited
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I averaged about 2-3 loads per week which came to about 1100 loads total for this machine. Despite my earlier comments about salt spray during the hurricane, there was no corrosion inside the cabinet. The electronics looked new and all of the screws and bolts were clean. The only rust was along the top edge were the top mounts to the cabinet and at the very bottom where the bottom cover under the door mounts to the cabinet.
I was thinking that simply powder coating the spider would probably solve the corrosion problems.
I was thinking that simply powder coating the spider would probably solve the corrosion problems.
mark_wpduet
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Still a mystery why some spiders corrode, while others don't.
58limited
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Just to update, I ordered a Speed Queen model AFN50F from A.J. Madison this past Monday. It will take about 14 business days for delivery.
http://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/AFN50F.html
http://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/AFN50F.html
BROKEN SPIDERS
David congratulations on your purchase of a new SQ FL washer and thanks for going to the trouble of dissembling your old GE and documenting it for everyone to see.
The problem is that you should not have had a heavy build-up on the spider and in the seal area in the first place and if the new SQ is used in the same manner it may not fare much better. The only good thing about the SQ is if it has seal and bearing failure it is much cheaper and easier to repair.
But you truly need to use some combination of hotter water, softner water, more detergent or better detergent [ It is almost impossable to harm a washer in this manner buy using too much detergent and doing so will NEVER cause this type of build-up and damage ]. It interesting to note that in my long experance of working on residential and commerical washers [ which are the same machines in design and construction ] We NEVER see ANY build-up and damage in the commerical machines like yours experienced. We have seen Cheap Frigidarie FL washers used Commercially for many years and the spiders never fail even doing 10 loads per day for more than 8 years. Be especially careful to avoid using too cool wash water with liquid detergents and liquid fabric softener and using Cheap powered detergents like Arm and Hammer , Am-Way and the Sears detergents as these are the ones that we constantly see problems with unless you have perfectly soft water, liquid chlorine bleach used properly will also extent the life of any washer.
Good Luck with your new washer.
David congratulations on your purchase of a new SQ FL washer and thanks for going to the trouble of dissembling your old GE and documenting it for everyone to see.
The problem is that you should not have had a heavy build-up on the spider and in the seal area in the first place and if the new SQ is used in the same manner it may not fare much better. The only good thing about the SQ is if it has seal and bearing failure it is much cheaper and easier to repair.
But you truly need to use some combination of hotter water, softner water, more detergent or better detergent [ It is almost impossable to harm a washer in this manner buy using too much detergent and doing so will NEVER cause this type of build-up and damage ]. It interesting to note that in my long experance of working on residential and commerical washers [ which are the same machines in design and construction ] We NEVER see ANY build-up and damage in the commerical machines like yours experienced. We have seen Cheap Frigidarie FL washers used Commercially for many years and the spiders never fail even doing 10 loads per day for more than 8 years. Be especially careful to avoid using too cool wash water with liquid detergents and liquid fabric softener and using Cheap powered detergents like Arm and Hammer , Am-Way and the Sears detergents as these are the ones that we constantly see problems with unless you have perfectly soft water, liquid chlorine bleach used properly will also extent the life of any washer.
Good Luck with your new washer.
To 58limited and to Combo52
I know it may be a little bit belated, but Congratulations on your purchase.
I honestly hope this machine gives you many many years of trouble free service and that you don't find that the vibration is too bad.
After you receive the machine, please let us all know how you find it. I'm kind of curious to know how it performs in your environment.
I'm absolutely stymied as to what causes spider failure like what you experienced, this seems to be an extreme example of what happens, usually I've always just seen pictures of the spider cracked, instead of downright deterioration.
I'm trying my best to discourage my wife from washing in cold water, unless absolutely necessary. (ie. The labeling on the clothing calls for it.) We do tend to use cheaper detergent, but I'm planning on switching over to using HE Tide instead as I really like the smell. I find that just using standard liquid Tide does a great job if I use half the amount, but it does foam up a lot. (No sudslock though.)
If we had enough parts lying around, I personally would like to see a standard GE/Whirlpool/WCI/etc spider and a SQ spider soaked in non-diluted bleach for 12 hours. Then removed, cleaned, scrubbed, etc .. and see what they look like afterwards.
I've seen bleach dissolve aluminum (After cleaning something in a way I should not have, live and learn.) so this is the most extreme example I can think of.
If anything, this is more something out of curiosity more than anything else. At first, I thought this was galvanic corrosion, but after reading a good thread on here, apparently it's not.
There is a really good video from Alliance where they show them running a corrosive "Slime" through their machines for months on end. It makes me wonder what the components look like after all of this.
I know it may be a little bit belated, but Congratulations on your purchase.
I honestly hope this machine gives you many many years of trouble free service and that you don't find that the vibration is too bad.
After you receive the machine, please let us all know how you find it. I'm kind of curious to know how it performs in your environment.
I'm absolutely stymied as to what causes spider failure like what you experienced, this seems to be an extreme example of what happens, usually I've always just seen pictures of the spider cracked, instead of downright deterioration.
I'm trying my best to discourage my wife from washing in cold water, unless absolutely necessary. (ie. The labeling on the clothing calls for it.) We do tend to use cheaper detergent, but I'm planning on switching over to using HE Tide instead as I really like the smell. I find that just using standard liquid Tide does a great job if I use half the amount, but it does foam up a lot. (No sudslock though.)
If we had enough parts lying around, I personally would like to see a standard GE/Whirlpool/WCI/etc spider and a SQ spider soaked in non-diluted bleach for 12 hours. Then removed, cleaned, scrubbed, etc .. and see what they look like afterwards.
I've seen bleach dissolve aluminum (After cleaning something in a way I should not have, live and learn.) so this is the most extreme example I can think of.
If anything, this is more something out of curiosity more than anything else. At first, I thought this was galvanic corrosion, but after reading a good thread on here, apparently it's not.
There is a really good video from Alliance where they show them running a corrosive "Slime" through their machines for months on end. It makes me wonder what the components look like after all of this.
58limited
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John, I always used either warm or hot cycles. When doing whites such as socks I used the sanitize feature. I used bleach with the whites too. I usually use Sauvital softener. I was using cheap bulk powdered detergent and not much at that. I always left the door open after a load was run.
The water here isn't too hard. It can take years to see any kind on mineral deposit form on my faucets and shower heads, very little if any mineral residue in the shower stall. I haven't had the water tested so I don't know its actual softness or hardness.
The part of the spider that corroded was the part that wouldn't be under water while running a cycle, but would probably get splashed. Or water would run down it towards the center as the drum rotated. So now I'm wondering if residues would splash or run onto this area , not be fully rinsed off, and cause corrosion. The center shaft is steel so there could have been a galvanic process going on too.
Again, if the manufacturers would simply powder coat these, problem solved (except for the possibility of stress cracking).
Bud, I looked at a a diagram of the SQ and it looks to have the same suspension/shock absorber set up that my GE had, so hopefully the vibration will be no worse.
The water here isn't too hard. It can take years to see any kind on mineral deposit form on my faucets and shower heads, very little if any mineral residue in the shower stall. I haven't had the water tested so I don't know its actual softness or hardness.
The part of the spider that corroded was the part that wouldn't be under water while running a cycle, but would probably get splashed. Or water would run down it towards the center as the drum rotated. So now I'm wondering if residues would splash or run onto this area , not be fully rinsed off, and cause corrosion. The center shaft is steel so there could have been a galvanic process going on too.
Again, if the manufacturers would simply powder coat these, problem solved (except for the possibility of stress cracking).
Bud, I looked at a a diagram of the SQ and it looks to have the same suspension/shock absorber set up that my GE had, so hopefully the vibration will be no worse.
whirlcool
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Will AJ Madison install your machine, or just drop it off on your driveway?
58limited
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They will if you pay more. I'm just having it delivered to the door. I'll do the rest.
58limited
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The Speed Queen finally shipped on Thursday. There was a slight manufacturer back order but it is now on the way, will hopefully arrive next week.
whirlcool
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Was that GE FL machine you had the Adora model?
58limited
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Allen I really don't know - it didn't have a model name on it. I will say it never gave me any other problems and I liked how clean it got my clothes, it just broke suddenly.
mysteryclock
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Post some pictures of your new SQ when she arrives!!
