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Hi Guys,

I know a number of the members on this forum have one "the mighty" 2800 models done by GE (The beeping dishwasher!).

I was wondering if anyone might be able to post a nice, good quality picture of their 2800's control panel (and /or) the entire machine running.

Don't ask why - I just like having these pics around, and google searches just don't show anything up :(

Thanks in Advance

P.S. If a nice pic has already been posted, then please let me know! I'd hate to waste someone's time
 
I have one

I came across a 2800 at the Habitat store a few months ago and picked it up for $25. I'll try to remember to go and take some pics of it tonight or tommorow and post them for you.
 
My parents put a 2800  in their new home in 1985. 

 

I replaced it for them in 1999 with a 1997 KA Superba, which they still have.  It works fine, but needs racks.

 

The GE was squeaking like every time the arm would go around.  It also needed racks.

 

 

 

 
 
Thanks for all the great pics guys!

Just a quick slightly off topic Q. I saw a video on YT of a GE Potscrubber 1200 starting up on a cycle. I haven't been able to find that video recently. It was a really good quality video, that captured the 1200's operation sounds nicely.
Anyone know of it's whereabouts?
 
If the video isn't found

I also have a 1200 in the basement. It is what came with the house when I bought it. The control panel is scratched up (why do people insist on cleaning printed/painted control panels with abrasives?), but otherwise it works. If the video isn't found I can hook mine up and make one. It's kinda fun listening to the timer automatically advance.
 
What a shame...

... that these heavily computer-controlled machines are so outdated now...
 
Early 80s TOL GE DWs GSD 900, 1200, 2600, 2800 and other

These Models with the Multi-orbit lower wash arm, Self-cleaning filter, heavy die-cast control panel, heavy molded tub and door liner with a heavy duty metal frame around it, and even additional support for the extra-deep upper rack in the form of an extra Axel and wheels that ran on the ceiling of the tank. IMEO this was the first time that GE got really serious about trying to compete with the big boys by with a built-in a DW that could compete with KA, WP, and MT in terms of performance and long term durability as they wouldn't rust out in ten years or less.

 

I would never have seriously considered a GE DW in my home until these machines came out. They do still have several serious short comings when you compare them to WP or KA DWs of the same time period. The lower rack just doesn't allow random loading, it is too cut up with the Silver Ware basket in the front, the wash tower in the center and the silly saucer space right behind, as a result the LR holds less than a dozen dinner plates. If you try and load the lower rack heavily with pots, pans and bowels items wouldn't get washed in the corners of the otherwise excellent top rack.

 

But to me the most worst part of this machine was they used the same motor and pump that they put in their cheapest builder machine. It was always interesting when looking at the beautiful brochures for these DWs that GE barely mentioned that it even had a motor let alone its HP LOL. But it used noisy inefficient 1/6 HP motor that used as much power as KAs 1/2 HP motor did and put out even more heat. The nice thing is that if you want to use one of these machines today as an everyday machine you can easily install the new PSC motor and cut the power consumption down to 1/3 and reduce the noise as well. And the grinder was [ and still is in current GE DWs ] a very fragile little affair that can be easily destroyed by hard objects, they have changed the design of this many times over the years but still have not manged to get one that cannot be broken easily. The one good thing about GEs huge noisy fan that was used to cool the most inefficient motor ever used in a home DW was that all that hot air blowing around helped dry up the water that was often leaking from the trip shaft seal of other points under the DW.
 
Thanks for your post Combo52

I had always assumed that the motors between DW manufacturers were of roughly equal efficiency - i didn't know the old GE motors turned more electricity to heat than kinetic energy. That'll teach me to assume things again...

That said, it makes me feel better about the motor/pump replacement I have done on my 2800. I didn't think there was anyway that the new assembly could possibly deliver enough water volume to make the spray arms work as originally designed. Even with the new motor being much more efficient, the new impeller and pump housing is so much smaller I don't see how it is going to be able to produce the same flow rate. What is your experience with this?

I also liked your comment about the leaks and the heat drying the water. I was amazed at the rust down there. Just before I did the replacement, I looked at the 1200, and rust in the same spot. I picked up another BOL GE DW from habitat for $25 and was going to use the pump and motor off it (rather than order a new assembly from partsdirect.com), but lo and behold, it leaked in the same spot too!
I had wondered why people didn't have rotten floors since all GEs seem to leak in the same spot. Now I know.

And finally, I like you, like the multi-oribt wash arm. That was by far one of the most clever features of the machine. Whoever came up with that should get an "a".
 
GE

Thanks John for some clearification - I did like the 1200 model but was very disappointed that GE didnt keep the potscrubber2 design with complete usable racks. I still perfered the more flexable loading of KA and WP.
Peter
 
2800

As ComboJohn says the heavy racks were very well designed and the extra roller and axel on the upper rack allow it to hold a ton.

The older induction motors draw 5.5 amps and move a TON of water. If you ever pull a tower wash DW out of the cabinet and take the sound insulation off, you will be surprised at the force of the water hitting the PermaTuf tub you can place your hand on the outside of the tub and feel the water jets strike the inside of the tub as they rotate and feel the surprisingly strong vibrations from the shear force.

Like ComboJohn, I have a love-hate relationship with the little saucer rack. It does keep you from putting a large pot in the back of the lower rack. On the other hand, it gets saucers out of the upper rack and gives you more room for bowels, etc

The PowerTower is designed to wash the upper rack 100 percent by itself. It is not there to augment the lower wash arm for cleaning the upper rack, but to give, as GE states, true random loading.

As long as the tower is not blocked or a tall pot is not in the way of its jet stream (this is probably the most common misloading mistake) it will clean every item in the upper rack, including the corners, with ease. A while back I mentioned the "dried up peanut butter in a jar" test.

The GE tower wash is the only DW I have had that CONSISTENTLY cleans dried on crud from inside of small mouth jars. Try it. Totally block the flow from the lower rack, you can then place the jar in any position, including any of the corners, and you will have a shiny clean jar when the cycle is done.

I have had dozens of GE tower wash machines (literally) over the past 30 years or so and they get my #1 rating for all around. Very, very close is the Maytag RR(which I love) and not too far behing that is the Whirlpool PowerClean.

No machine is perfect and each have their unique merits. The Maytag RR holds the most dishes and is easiest to load of any dishwasher I have used and can handle deep pots in the upper rack.

The Whirlpool PowerClean can handle and dispose of more food waste, and larger waste particles (like noodles, broccoli, green beans) than any machine I have ever had, without even breaking a sweat.

I am always changing out dishwashers to test them in the kitchen, but the one I always come back to for the permanent daily driver is the GE Tower Wash.
 
the peanut butter test

Thanks for your post bwoods - I am going ot have to hook up one my GE dishwashers and try the peanut butter test.  I don't doubt what you say (ok - I do a little bit, but I guess I am about to be proven wrong), but when I worked at Lowe's years ago, we had a GE dishwasher with a plastic door.  I was able to watch the angle of the water shooting out of the power tower.  I still don't see how it can get into a glass (or jar) around the perimeter to the machine - especially the corners. 

 

But - I like your experiment idea and I am going to try it.
 
Nate, You have a 2800 right ?

I used to!  I chucked it after the fifth time I walked into the kitchen and found ice-cold water and a beeping dishwasher complaining about a blocked wash-arm.  (It wasn't.  The sensor was getting pissy--or else the electronics were--in old age.)  The detergent cup sensor was also faulty, and 9 out of 10 cycles started with a "Cup Open" error that I had to bypass.

 

I have the KDS-20 now.  Live has been much simpler ever since not being constantly scolded by a dishwasher.

 

I agree that the 2800 was the first real competition finesse- and performance-wise to the big leaguers, but the electronics were a detraction, not a plus, in the long-term.  But then again, that was back in the eighties, when anything futuristic had electronics as a matter of course, before we realized that they actually create more problems than they address.
 
" I still don't see how it can get into a glass (or

william637 - I have had this exact problem with any GE appliance I have owned.  The back left corner of the top rack of my newer near TOL Hotpoint had this problem.  My BOL newer Americana is better about it but the top rack still seems neglected after most loads as there a sprinkling of food bits usually and I am very cautious not to block the tower openings.  It needs a sprayer on the top to spray down on the top rack.
 
INTERESTING thread folks!

John, are you having a bad day? When I got my 1200 from you last fall, you seemed to sing more praises about this line of machines than you are today. Now they seem to be relegated to Maytag's best cousin status?

I have had what are probably several very good dishwashers, and one piece of sheet, at least in my opinion, so I admit that for many years I've been spoiled. Having a WP DU6000, a new GE Potscrubber 2200 (the lightweight electronic version of the 2800 with a lot fewer fancies), a Potscrubber 1200 which I bought new, a GE tall tub heap of stanky crap PDW7300, and now the used 1200 with the new motor/pump, all I can say is it is VERY nice to be freed from 8 years of dishwasher hate.

I am right back to my old use habits, usage patterns which didn't want to die but had to in order to make the '7300 work anywhere near sufficiently. I generally do not challenge a dishwasher but in one way -- in that I load it throughout the week, do not use rinse/hold and expect it to remove dried on foods that have been sitting for days. The only dishwasher of mine that had an isue with that was the '7300. Now that it has moved on to trouble someone else incessantly, I don't worry much about dried on stuff once again.

That said, I don't totally agree with a few comments made regarding the 1200/2800's lower rack (this rack was used in most other GE dishwashers of the period too, including my Mom's 1987 Potsrubber 900). I will say that my last 1200 was of a newer generation than the one I have now (with the Ivory racks) and it held one more plate on the right side in both front and rear quadrants), but even with my current 1200, I can get at least one dozen dinner plates in the bottom rack if need-be, and still litter the edges of the rack with bowls (I don't wash bowels in the dishwasher typically) and cookware and not have a washability issue with items in the corners of the top rack. I will admit that this rack in general lacks capacity and is primitive as compared some newer racks, but I will not judge a 30 year old appliance using current standards.

Oddly, and perhaps I am an easy GE customer for these machines, I LOVE what you all call the saucer rack. BUT, I defy you to call it that in all seriousness because I never have saucers to load in it; instead I usually fill it with a half dozen cereal bowls. This is a perfect place for them - they are out of the way, they don't flop around on themselves there, and they are placed far enough apart for easy loading and water flow.

On the old style motor - some may think they are junk, but who really cares about it's horsepower rating if it gets the job done? My mother's 900 was in service for 17.5 years. It ran about 8 times per week for its first four years, then about 3-5 times weekly after that for almost 14 years. The motor is not what killed the machine, in fact it was useable when it was replaced (the door spring broke). To me that's not a bad motor design, period. I'll not argue that the replacement motor is better, but the old one worked fine and did what it was supposed to do and could obviously carry the appliance through its service life.

If given a choice of the Potscrubber 2800 or the 1200, I would go with the 1200 time and time again due to the lack of electronics, but either way I think these are GREAT machines and I am glad to be able to enjoy using my dishwasher again.

Here's a pic from installation day last September.

Gordon

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Potscrubber 1200

Ours in SF underfilled, but performed well if you chucked in extra water.  It never groused at me or stopped due to a sensed condition, so I liked it that much better.

 

" I still don't see how it can get into a glass (or jar) around the perimeter to the machine"

The wash tower on these is unlike any other before.  It is not the crappy little dual-slot number that was on lesser machines before and since.  It sends a T-shaped stream out to the edges, which apparently has enough "oomph" to swirl up the sides and touch the top of most tumblers placed at the corners.  Ours never had a problem cleaning the furthest reaches.

 

Oh, and Gordon, no teacup saucers?  Even I had saucers to go up there, and my card hardly ever gets stamped anymore.  ;-)
 
peanut butter test

Mark,

Do you have a GE Tower Wash with the older or newer motor. The newer PSC made in China motor, although good, is not pumping as as forcefully as their induction motor did. I have had many of each design.

I have not specifically done the peanut butter test on the newer motor, but there never seems to be any problem with dried jelly in small mouth jelly jars so you may be surprised. If you have the induction motor the jar will come clean with ease. the other plus to the induction Tower Wash GE I have found is the ability to get dried oatmeal off consistently. Something, I have found, that a lot of the newer tall tubs machines have trouble with.

Joseph, both of your machines most likely had the PSC motors. And your BOL would not have the power shower which normally prevents residual food paraticles from remaining on top of glassware or stemware.

Good luck with your test, Mark!
 
peanut butter test

Mark,

Do you have a GE Tower Wash with the older or newer motor. The newer PSC made in China motor, although good, is not pumping as as forcefully as their induction motor did. I have had many of each design.

I have not specifically done the peanut butter test on the newer motor, but there never seems to be any problem with dried jelly in small mouth jelly jars so you may be surprised. If you have the induction motor the jar will come clean with ease. the other plus to the induction Tower Wash GE I have found is the ability to get dried oatmeal off consistently. Something, I have found, that a lot of the newer tall tubs machines have trouble with.

Joseph, both of your machines most likely had the PSC motors. And your BOL would not have the power shower which normally prevents residual food paraticles from remaining on top of glassware or stemware.

Good luck with your test, Mark!
 
@william637

I would feel quite honoured to have a video made of your pot scrubber in operation:)

@kenmoreguy64, bwoods

I certainly do like the Potscrubber 1200 series. After looking at quite an array of user guides, I noticed anything that wasn't an "S" series only did one rinse after the main wash in energy saver mode (etc), but it still had 3 pre washes! Whereas the "S" model altered the amount of pre washes and post-wash rinses to suit the program selected.

I wonder, if it would be possible to get a 240v Motor and Timer, then I could have one and brag to people about my nostalgic side :) They're great dishwashers. Maybe I should try "converting" a derelict Asko or something to have Tower-wash, if I ever a derelict or something. Could name it Fransko (Franken-Asko)!
 
Early 80s TOL GE DWs GSD 900, 1200, 2600, 2800 and other

Gordon I am not having a bad day, LOL, I thought that was a fairly positive post. I do believe that I stress a DW much more than you do, while I haven't been in your home I did watch you load Kevin's DWs. I pack my DWs to the gills and always stuff all pots and pans, bowls are at least triple stacked on top of each other and always get good results from the WP PC and the KDSS-20, only real problem with the KA is that you often have to clean the filter once or more mid-cycle as it will completely clog sometimes. I do put dishes in that dirty. I do find as stated in my post that I find the above mentioned GE DWs very good overall, but when I pack the lower rack items do not get cleaned in the corners. WATER WILL NOT CHANGE DIRECTION IN MIDSTREAM.  And If GE actually got this to work one has to wonder why not only GE but every other DW made worldwide now has a full upper wash-arm. I really dough that GE found a way to do this. Barry I would love to see pictures of those tall glasses with peanut butter getting clean in the corners of the top rack. Better yet I have an original GSD-1200 that even has the original shaded pole motor at the museum that is fully restored condition, I hope you get a chance to visit and we can do some competitive tests.

 

Mark both the original shaded pole motor pumps and the newer PSC pumps have exactly the same main wash impeller, in fact both style pumps use the SAME pump rebuild kit, and as far as I can tell the PSC motor [ which is more powerful ] actually runs faster and unlike the shaded pole motor its speed doesn't waver as it works. That was one of the things I always hated about the shaded pole motors as they sounded like they were straining as they ran because the sound and speed constantly varied.
 
Try it yourself if you don't believe me, John.

If you aren't getting dishes clean in the corner, you have blocked the spray from the tower, which will happen it you put a pan in that is too tall n the lower rack.

Water doesn't need to change course, it approaches all dishes with an angle, it's not going parallel to the upper rack, but coming from below the upper rack.

If things in the corner did not get clean GE would not still be using a tower wash system, in their two door machines, that was started in the early 1960's Can you imagine the consumer complaints there would be if people couldn't put dishes in the corners of the top rack? Remember, in the mid 80's the GE 2800 and 1200 outwashed Whirlpool, Maytag and KitchenAid per Consumer Reports tests.

The maximum stated efficiency of a PSC motor over an induction motor, that I have ever seen stated, is 30 to 40 percent, and usually a little lower.

So, let's give it the benefit of the doubt and say the new Chinese PSC General Electric uses is 40 percent more efficient. 40 percent of 5.5 amps is 2.2 amps. Add this to the 1.8 amp current draw of the PSC and you get 4.0 amps. So the 1.8 amp PSC is pumping water equivalent to a 4.0 amp straight induction. .

GE's old induction is 5.5 amp. This leaves 1.5 amp of additional power to provide torque. That is overage of 37 percent additional power.

Additional torque, on a given blade or impeller, provides additional pumpage.

You put dishes into the dishwasher the way I do John, very dirty. If you have a GE induction and a GE PSC, put dishes in and look at them after the first rinse.

The induction motor has them pretty clean just after the first pre-wash. For the PSC models, it takes one or two more water changes to get the same cleaness.

On the down side, I do find things, light objects like tupperware, fly around more in the induction tower wash models.

GE went for the PSC to meet Energy Star requirements, pure and simple. (I don't think it hurt matters either, that they are getting them from China and probably only having to pay their workers what, maybe 60 cents and hour.) HeHe
 
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