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Took some snaps of my Hoover TT using our trusty 35mm camera. Many were to blurry from trying to get up close shots, but there are enough to make a decent start. You will find them in my album located on the site.

Included one will see pictures of the pump which I must replace. Hope those interested assisting me in tracking down a new pump can make heads or tails of it from the snap.

Launderesss
 
Congratulations. What a catch !

IT IS SO BEAUTIFUL.

Me likes stainless steel.

Is that a second motor for the spin tub? I would imagine the shaft is vertical. If not, what is that thing with an upside- down bowl over it to the left of the wash tub's motor?

Thanks.
 
Nice!

Nice equipment there, Launderess! I'm impressed! I hope you find a new pump soon!

John
 
This Display of a machine

is the best published! Launderess, I am sure you can find a way to help your issues. Try another pump if the need be. As all of these kinds of machines, the pump the water/soap out all the same way by design. The ones used at the carwahes, (GE comes to mind) all have the same sort of pump extraction. Try to see if one of those will work.

Steve
 
Thank you everyone for the kind words.

Toggle,

Yes, both the extractor tub and wash tub/impeller have their own motors. This is one of the beauties of using a twin tub as one can run the extractor at the same time as the wash tub is washing. This allows one to drain the water from the extractor into the wash tub for reuse. This is what helps keep water usage low and makes twin tubs great for those with a limited clean water supply. The only time both the wash tub and extractor tub will drain to sewer, is when both sides are set to do so.

Steve,

Hoover used a type of pump called a "double decker", and so far have not had much sucess in finding anything remotely similar. Well there are the patterned spare pumps sold for Hoover twinnes in the UK, but that seems to be about all.
Have sent photo's of my pump to various UK Hoover TT spares dealers and expect to hear back on what they have with in a day or so.

In the meantime will speak to another local appliance repair service tomorrow morning and see if they have any suggestions. From what I understand these pumps cannot be rebuilt, and once the seal is broked (as in taken apart), it is difficult to impossible for them not to leak. Since that is the problem already, do not want to pay good money after bad.

Launderess
 
Has This Been Used!!!

Hi Launderess

Just looked at the pics , WOW, this machine has hardly been used, unless its been very well renovated, not a spot of oil sprayed onto the inside cabinet etc...

Its one of the best examples of this type...

This machine is equivalent to the model 3301 in the UK, I have a 3309 model which has the same pump but a full length outlet hose coming out of the back instead of the top...

Does this top hose twist off like the UK models???

My friends mum had one of these machines and whilst using it to spin some handwashed items, had forgotten to put the hose in the top, she loaded up and switched on and there was an almight scream from the kitchen as the water started to be pumped up out of the top of the machine, no hose connected so it literally shot up and hit the ceiling...LOL

The double decker pump is not available as a genuine spare but copy pumps are about, I have used these and had no problems at all, if you do split them, like Uni says, any pump may leak, a cork seal simply does the job.

The white bits are more lickely to be calcium / limescale especially if you have hard water....using newer powders will sort that, or calgon / vinegar flush will surfice.

The pic is of the UK Model 3301

Mike


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Mike

As a matter of fact the seller claimed the unit was only used once by a little old lady...........

Yes, the unit was truly only used once or rarely then put away for over 20 years. Methinks the woman did one wash load in her new Hoover and said "sod all this work" and went to an automatic top loader! *LOL*

Apparently leaving the unit unused for such a long period is probably what damaged the pump. Wash water probably rotted out the insides and or caused the pump to sieze.

Have been on to several appliance spare dealers in the UK, and think may have found a pump. Will know more later today, if it does not work out will go ahead and order one off eBay.

DIY has lots of Hoover spares (but alas no pumps), so will be placing an order there as well just to stock up on parts. Will be replacing the rather short original drain hose on my unit with one of the longer ones used on UK models.

Have not used the washer as of yet because of the pump problem. The white bits must be from the previous owner's detergent/water supply.

No, the top hose does not twist off. If one means the fill hose, one simply attaches one end to the water supply and then aim into the tubs. The drain hose is attached to the pump as one can see in the photos.

Your collection is wonderful, and glad to find another Lux flakes user; you can't fail with Lux can you?

Thank you for your kind words regarding my photos. Hopefully will have action shots! A local appliance repair shop that is well versed on Hoover TT repairs is also looking for a pump. They have a "source" they used to get Hoover parts from and are waiting to hear back. Since I was lead to believe twin tubs are about as common as Dodo birds in the United States, am wondering just where these parts are coming from. Probably some hoarding appliance parts shop man I shouldn't wonder. My luck they will find a pump (perhaps even a Hoover), and charge me an arm and a leg for it.

About the casters? Have you ever replaced any of the ones on your TTs? If so what did you use as replacements and where did you find them?

Launderess
 
leaking pump

Does the water leak from the bottom piece that's held on with clips? Or is it leaking from the pulley shaft? If it's leaking from the cover plate, I'd unclip it and try re-sealing it with silicone. If it's leaking from the shaft, then it's new pump time.
 
Water leaks from where the two parts of the pump meet above the clips. So guess that means it is leaking from the cover?

Even if the leaking problem is fixed, the pump is still siezed up and won't pump out water. This weekend am going to start the pump and see if the pump belt is turning. The extractor turns fine, but never checked to see if the pump belts are working.

Don't know much about pumps or even appliances for that matter, but have a pretty good guess that water from the prior use, allowed to sit for 20 years did not do this pump any good. Dishwashers and washing machines give instructions if one is going to be leaving the machine idle for a long period of time. Going on that assumption I'm thinking the remaining wash water caused havoc sitting there for over 20 years.

Since parts for these units are fast becoming scarce, prolly better to get a new pump or two and other parts while the getting is good. This way can enjoy the unit for many years to come. If finding a pump is difficult now, can one imagine what it might be like 5 or so years down the road?

Regards,

Launderess

Launderess
 
Wow, Launderess, what a great find! Did all the Hoover twinnies have SS tubs? A neighbor had one when I was a kid (hands up, who remembers the Kennedys!?) but I don't recall it having a SS interior. It's gorgeous! Hope you find the parts you need for the leak.
 
pump leakage

You should surely keep looking for a new pump, one is bound to turn up somewhere. In the meantime, after checking to see if belt is turning (or trying) to turn the pully, you can give yourself a learning experience by removing the pump, removing and re-sealing the bottom cover and freeing up the shaft with some lubrication and friendly persuasion. If you're really lucky, you might be able to free up the shaft and not have it leak from the shaft afterwards. That would at least buy you time while the search goes on for a new pump and not have a dead machine sitting around. I'm crossing my fingers for you.
 
Update

Just to put everyone in the picture, here are the latest developments in my ongoing Hoover TT saga.

After work came home and decided to see what is what with the pump. First tipped the washer over on it's side, then tested the pump belt/shaft. While the belt was a bit sticky, that could have been from the water dripping down due to the leak. Good news is that the shaft does rotate freely. Well it needed a bit of gentle tugging to get it started, but it does move. This again could have been caused by the water leak.

Put the washer upright and popped off the back cover and took myself a really good look at the pump. Guess what I found? Give up? There is a hairline crack on the side of the pump, running from where the two halves meet towards one of the clips. Could this be the problem? Also why won't the washer at least pump out water regardless of the leak?

Took another look at the rubber plug and dial on the top of the pump that controls the diverter. You can see from my snaps the rubber is badly rotted, but I wondered something about something else. Could the rotted rubber plug be allowing air into the pump? This could explain why the pump is not pumping out water. Necessity being the mother of invention took a look on my bag of tricks (tool box) and produced plumber's silicone tape. Hmmmmmmmm Cut a good sized length of the tape off and carefully but snugly wrapped it around the rotted rubber. Poured a cup of hot water into the extractor and started the Hoover up. WATER CAME GUSHING OUT OF THE DRAIN HOSE! Hussah!!!!!

Sadly water also came out of the aforementioned hair line crack on the pump.

To test the pumping/draining action further, took a sopping wet bath towel and put it into the extractor. Powered that baby up and WATER CAME GUSHING OUT OF THE DRAIN HOSE. Nasty, dirty water carrying with it 20 years worth of gunk, detergent (or some sort) granules, bugs, lint, and god only knows what else. Sadly water also came gushing out of the hair line crack and all over the floor/inside of the washer. Not wishing to get any of the electrics wet including the motor, stopped the extractor at once.

After mopping up the floor/drying down the inside of the washer, reached yet again into my bag of tricks and produced some "Seal All" all purpose contact adhesive sealant. With a "Q-Tip" applied a good dose of the sealant along what I could see of the crack. Do not know if it extends down beneath the clip since obviously cannot see that far. Went to two different hardware stores today and neither had "Corbin Clamp" remover tool, but did pick up some machine "grease" and a roll of cork.

What caused the crack, have no idea. Could have happened during shipping, but as the seller sold the unit "untested" (yes, I know, I'm an idiot aren't I?); couldn't prove 100% UPS caused the damage.

Will let the sealant cure for an hour or so then maybe apply some tape and another layer of sealant before seeing if the pump is "sea worthy".

Think I need a glass of wine, skip it where is that bottle of gin?

Launderess
 
Good thought putting the Seal All on the pump leak. I have used that product for many years and have had very good luck with it curing leaks in tubs and other things. I mostly use it to repair refrigerator gaskets now. I usually let it dry for 24 hours to be sure it's done it's job. Use it to repair a vinyl door gasket and it will last longer than the rest of the gasket. Works great for that.
 
Frigilux

Some Hoover TT's had plastic tubs similar to what you see on many modern top loaders. IIRC the advantage of the plastic tub was that as they were one molded piece there was less chance of leakage. The SS tubs from what I've been able to read, could after awhile develop really bad leaks.

Regarding my repairs,

While the Seal All held in the parts of the crack one could see, there is still water coming out of the pump. Much as I would love to use the washer, so much water pours out of the pump that it would be impossible at this stage.

If I could get the darn Corbin clamps off, would take the pump out and see what is what. Maybe cutting and inserting a cork seal, then mating the halves together again would work. Going to order a new pump and other spares including a longer drain hose from the UK tonight. Hopefully will arrive before next weekend and then will get busy.

From what I can see, taking out the pump may not require a visit from our service man as thought. The pump is held a base plate via screws, and after removing those, the pump belt and hoses it should come right out. No?

Launderess
 
clamps and leaks

Remember what I said about "water pump pliers"? Not as easy as the "proper" tool, but can be nade to work

Corbin clamp tool might be found easier at auto parts store (Chrysler was a big user of Corbin clamps for their coolant hoses) or an appliance parts store rather than a hardware store.

If the crack goes beneath one of the clips that holds the bottom cover on, just pry it off with a regular pair of pliers, seal the crack, re-attach the clip.
 
Oh Sweet Mystery of Life At Last I've Found You

Pump still leaks like a sieve, so took a pair of pliers and pried away the clip near the aforementioned crack, and guess what? The crack not only extends down to the base of the pump, the darn pump is virtually cracked open at the base. Well not cracked wide open, but wide enough that a simple smear of Seal All may not do the trick.

Am going to try building layers of Seal All to fill in the crack, and if I can get to the hardware store before it closes, apply some waterproof tape over the Seal All, then another layer or so of Seal All. With any luck will at least be able to stifle the leakage enough to turn a constant flow, to a slow drip.

Of course this means a new pump must be found at once. Pity of the thing is cannot tell if the damage was caused in transit or exsisted before shipping. If caused in transit might get UPS to pony up some funds, which would help go towards a new pump.

What a way to run a railroad.

Launderess
 
Launderess

Oh, so sorry to hear about the trouble you are having with the little Hoover. I hope the cosmos will bring the correct parts to you. You will be in Laundry Nirvana before you know it! Once its up and running it will be a great joy!
 
Good Night Nurse

Have had it for the day with this machine. Now for late Scooby snack, then bed.

First layers of Seal All failed to do the trick, as the pump still leaked. Not as much as before, but none the less was still leaking. Found the source as I discovered the crack went right up to the area around where the pump connects to the drain hose. Water was leaking in sync with the pumping action (as the pump pumped, each pulse produced a strong gush of water. Sigh.

Peeled the wet Seal All mess off and cleaned up the water. Next turned the washer on it's side to allow water still inside the pump to drain down the other side from the crack (put a towel on the other side), and dried everything off. Needed a clean dry surface to try sealing the cracks again, but with the machine lowered, water kept dripping out of the pump.

Next began to ponder how to patch up the larger parts of the crack. Then it dawned on me, the roll of cork purchased yesterday for making a new pump seal. Took off a length of cork and made very small strips/pieces, and painfully began to wedge the cork into the larger cracked areas. By "large" I mean the largest crack (near the base) was really what one might call a hairline fracture. But none the less it gushed water.

After the larger cracked areas were stuffed with cork, began gooping on lots of the Seal All allowing it to seep into the cracks. Used a blow dryer (set on cool) for several minutes to fast set the Seal All, then allowed the sealant to dry for awhile. About an hour later applied yet another "gooping" of sealant, and that was all she wrote. Intended to a let the Seal All cure 24 hours or so.

Cleaned up the mess which included several towels I had used to wipe up all the water. After washing, only used the final spin at low. Since it was about 2 hours later, decided to at least try the extractor and see how the seal was holding. After all how much water could be left in the towels?

Put some newspapers under the pump and let her rip. After about 1 minute or so took the towels out and they were near DRY. But what about the seals? Well during the pumping one could see the sealant come "Alive". It was almost like watching a human heart beat as each pulse of the pump caused the sealant along the uppermost part of the crack to pulse. Scary and icky all at the same time. Noticed also the pump belt also tended to "pulse" in tandem with the pump. While the pump still leaked water, it was more like drips than full scale gushing. Will try pumping again tomorrow using a cup or two of water and see how things are holding up.

If things stay as they are, prolly can use the extractor for final spinning of laundry washed elsewhere, long as I remember to put something under the washer to collect the drips. Nabbed a hose clamp remover tool off eBay, when it arrives will swap out the drain hose for a longer one. Maybe by then it will be time for a full fledged wash up.

Oh yes, about the noise. These twin tubs are NOT the most quiet washers. The extractor makes a horrible whine when starting up and slowing down. Maybe a dab of grease somewhere?

Swapped out the old casters for ones I kept from our Malber's portable wheel kit. They didnt' fit, but wrapped several layers of of cello-tape around the shafts, and shoved them in (they fit now). The old hard rubber casters on the Hoover were killing my floors. Not to mention they were cracked and chipped to death making moving the unit about very difficult.

That is all gang, now for that Scooby snack, and to bell a man in Scotland about a pump.

Launderess
 
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