Getting a little uneasy here

[Cybrvanr]

As a religious, heterosexual male, I am finding myself in a minority in this forum. While in life, I find myself being able to get along well with homosexuals, I do not find that I am capable here as my values and religion are under constant attack in many of the threads.

I come here wanting to exchange information about collecting vintage appliances, and other mid-century goodies. I click on a new thread expecting to read a good thread on someone's neat find in a yard sale, or how someone has restored a hopless piece of history. Instead, I click on a link and end up reading things like putting a bible in a paper shredder. I find the values and religion that I have grown up with all my life, and have no intention of changing, attacked in these forums.

I have no problem with homosexuality. What happens in the bedroom is not any of my business. My religion however is, and from the looks of this forum, you cannot be homosexual, and be religious, or at least hold religious values at all.

I have tried to stay out of the religion / politics issues that have cropped up frequently around here, but when I click on a link that is rather ambiguous, and I expect to read something about appliances or something, and end up reading something that makes my hair stand on end.

Sorry if this offends anyone, but I do NOT try to be politically correct in my life, and I try to avoid places and people that are in direct conflict with my values. For this reason, I don't feel comfortable in participating anymore in this forum. It was fun and enjoyable while it lasted, but I am just a bit too uneasy here

 

[hoover1060]

My religion however is, and from the looks of this forum, yo

I will not be unkind to anyone. However I am VERY insulted by the comments you've made.

I am a homosexual male, and I am religous. I majored in theology and church music in college, and I am very involved in my church, as organist, choir member, usher and elder. Being gay is one part of me, and its NOT THE MAJOR PART.
Your judgement of myself and others here is way out of line.

Where is Christ's love in your comments?
Sin is sin, its black or white, no shades of grey.
I'm gay yes, and Jesus died for that sin too.

 

[kevinpreston8]

Cyb---please don't leave....

I enjoy your contributions immensely and don't want to see anyone leave the forum!!!!

 

[Cybrvanr]

I am not going to argue your position, instead, I am going to thank you for speaking up and mentioning your position in the church and your religious values as a Christian....You are on "my side".

As I mentioned in the previous post, I don't have any problem with homosexuals whatsoever, but what I have a problem with is my religion being attacked. From which, from what I have been reading, is only coming from the homosexuals in this group. I have tried to avoid many of the threads here where people are blasting religion, and arguing about it, but I seem to somehow keep finding them. Yes, I do know there are hetersexuals out there too that are anti-religious, I am not sure if the heteros are speaking up here or not against Christianty. I have not analysed the threads very much because I try to avoid reading them. The common thread however seems to be that the homosexuals here are against Christianity because it is bighoted and racist. The way I see it the bigots and racists are the ones NOT accepting the Christians in this group! Since you seem to be breaking this stereotype of the christian-bashing gay, you can help me out here, and explain that this is NOT the case...I AGREE WITH YOU!

Like I said, I have not problem with the homosexuality, I have a problem with people attacking my religion as a Christian and values... homosexual or hetero!

Thank you for your reply!

 

[jmirawm]

likes and dont likes

If I put a spoonful full of spinach in my mouth and dont like it. I dont put anymore in my mouth. <p> If I click on a link and read it and dont like it. I close it and don't read it anymore.<p> It doesn't matter what anyone else says does or thinks about me or any other subject. I can have a conversation about it with them, or not. If someone wants to shred a bible let them. If you want to hold yours in high esteem go ahead. That is what America is all about.

 

[Cybrvanr]

I was thinking, maybe we can call a "truce" on this, and make another forum department for politics, religion, and other lifestyle issues. That way, we don't hafta participate in it if we don't want to. We can leave the "SUPER" forum here avaliable for the discussion of non-laundry appliances, detergents, automobiles and other fun appliance and technology related stuff.

 

[hoover1060]

Dude, follow the above advice...

I'm not about to argue religon with anyone. The above advice is good, follow it.

 

[rickr]

I guess I am a christian,however I do not wear it on my sleeve,and usually do not even mention it.Anymore I am not proud of it. The reason I left the church was the hateful ways of the church. The church cannot accept us for who we are,so I made the choice to leave. They also place blame on us for child abuse,which they tried to hide for decades. The church has been attacking us, as well as others for decades. We are now pushing back,and it is the backlash that bothers you,and it is not going to stop.
No oppressed minority group ever got their civil rights without a fight. That is just the way things really are. Check out a history book and you will see that.
If you were expecting to hear about the restoration of a vintage washer in the "Brokeback Mountain" thread you were looking in the wrong place. One of your "oppressed" christians posted several things in that thread that were very insulting to most of us. The christian faith will be better thought of after they keep their noses out of others personal lives (and bedrooms) and stop looking down at others,including other religions. Until they do,things will remain as they are.

BTW- for the record,I do pray before each meal,and before bedtime. He is our God also,and He loves us just as much as He love anyone else.

Rick

 

[jmirawm]

Times are a changing.......

I think that America is going through some growing pains right now. As in the sixties with equal rights, now there is another large growing group demanding equal rights and I think our time has come. <p> I think it is healthy to discuss our views and beleifs and opinions. Whether Robert will want to make another forum just for these subjects or leave them here in the super forum is up to him. I think discussions are bound to crop up in any forum. I think it might be dificult for Robert to try to police and move these to appropriate forums all the time. He does a great job running the sight, But also has a life away from this forum.

 

[Unimatic1140]

Let's keep a cool head everyone. Hi Steven, I'm really sorry to hear you want to leave the group just because of a few off topic posts. I hope you will reconsider, but the final decision is up to you of course. The problem here we are diverse community just like the real world, but the reach is greater than in any one persons local neighborhood or town, to live and see the real world means you have to have some tough skin. As a agnostic gay male I have no problem with Religion, I respect everyone’s right to their personal beliefs and would never, ever put anyone down for their beliefs. But I expect, no scratch "expect", I demand the same respect from the Religious community on this website and in my own life, or else and I mean or else. What happens in your Churches is not any of my business. BUT the second someone uses their religion as a crutch to insult or otherwise look down on our beautiful community that's where I'm going draw the line in the suds. I WILL NOT STAND FOR THAT NONSENSE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

Again Steven we all really want you to stay, as it is impossible for me to completely control the conversations here, that's why we decided to create the yellow Super Forum. Since in Imperial and Deluxe forums generally stay on topic, maybe it might be safer for you just to read those posts. I'm not that interested so much in modern washers, so I maybe skim the Deluxe forum one a week or so, that way I'm really only reading the posts that interest me.

Gee its been a rare tough week on the clubsite. Let's make the rest of the week better.

Would anyone like an Apex Wash-a-Matic?

 

[maytagbear]

Being gay is not a sin!

Nor is being straight.

It is in how an individual conducts his or her sexuality the issue of sin enters.

If a person does not respect his or her consenting adult partner, then we have sin...at least as I understand it.

Cybrvanr...I am sorry that you feel as though you have to leave, but remember, opinions are like sit-upons. We all have one, and they sometimes are not daisy fresh!

I sincerely wish you health, happiness, and prosperity.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
(Member in good standing of the board of Deacons at his church. And out there, too!)

 

[bethann]

Robert: Are you mad a it?

 

[maytagbear]

Oh, Bethann-

Thank you for the laugh!

L/Mb

 

[hoover1060]

This is my last response to this thread, because it really R

I have been in church all my life. Thats the way I was raised.

I attended not one but two Christian colleges.

I love the Lord and believe with all my heart that Jesus died for my sins.

The Church is run by men, sinful men, just as we all are sinners.

It's what is in your heart that matters most.

Sitting in church every weekend WILL NOT make you a good Christian any more than sitting in a garage all the time will make you a car.

How you live your life, how you treat others, thats what matters most, as well as what you believe. You can go thru the motions for show, but if you're not living what you're hearing in church, stay home.

Robert, thanks for speaking up.

I am done now.

 

[Unimatic1140]

Robert: Are you mad a it?

Sigh, I should be so lucky to have the chance to be mad at my Wash-A-Matic.

 

[brettsomers]

mr parker

it david again here. you are playing with fire putting the word sin and homosexuality in the same sentence. if someone wants to follow a methodology it up to them. i say to certain religious folk, if you wanna play that game, dont get me involved.

 

[foraloysius]

Steven,

I'm sure I am one of the people you mean. It surprises me to read that you feel your values and religion are attacked here without mentioning that other people's values have been attacked too. Like mine.

You say you don't have a problem with homosexuality but in the meantime you also say My religion however is, and from the looks of this forum, you cannot be homosexual, and be religious, or at least hold religious values at all. So, actually to me it seems that you do have a problem! I think that is called restricted tolerance. I'd rather have people say that I am a faggot and they don't like me. That's more clear to me. Actually you are saying the same thing as Oldwasherguy in the other thread: it is not a sin to be gay, but the bible says to resist the homosexual urges,or burn in hell for all eternity. Just less clear. People saying that my lifestyle makes me deserve to burn in hell pretty much attack my values and my feelings. If I have anti-religious feelings they have probably been caused by that kind of intolerance. I hope you see there is another side to this.

Louis

 

[peterh770]

I wish that the Imperial forum only had posts about pre-1985 washers, dryers and dishwashers. I wish that the Deluxe forum only had posts about post-1985 washers, dryers and dishwashers. I wish Deluxe only had posts about other kitchen and laundry appliances and the accoutrements that go along with them.

And I wish all this other noise would go away, or at least be covered up thickly with White Mountain frosting...

 

[frigilux]

Maybe it's best if we don't discuss religion. It's a no-win situation, kids. The chances of anyone in this club changing my views on organized religion and the bible are slim-to-none. And I'm relatively sure anything I have to say won't sway anyone else's established beliefs. I'd hate to see a community like this one splinter because of religious differences. Frankly, there aren't a lot of other sites on the web which cater to those with an interest in appliances.

On the other hand, there are probably a lot of websites out there in which one can dive head-first into the topic of religious beliefs. Is it possible to declare a separation of church and appliances?