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Ok, so I've posted a thread or two about washers etc... .... The house thing fell through (literally, the foundation collapsed :/) and I'm probably gonna be in this place for a few more years...

I'm getting the bug/itch to replace the Samsung Set that I have.. (Well, store the Landlord's set in my storage.) I absolutely am tired of not having remotely warm water in the wash tub when I have a hot cycle selected ... ...

I'm thinking the MHW8000AG / MED8000AG Maytag pair...

With the price the pair would cost, do you guys think the features etc are worth it?

Will I get a truly hot wash when I select hot?

I'm able to get a decent discount on the pair but. ... I'm wondering reliability etc. They will probably be moved 3 or 4 times in their lifetime.

Thoughts, Comments?
 
I was talking to the sales manager the other day. She told me that she sells lots of Speed Queen top load sets but she has only sold one Speed Queen front load set. She didn't have much to say about them because its a brand they order on demand.

I dunno..

The 8000 Maxima's seem to be really well built now so I dunno what to do.. They both are gonna be the same price roughly, the Maytag has more gizmos, but ... Which set will actually use hot water and wash my clothes?
 
The Speed Queen is built like a tank, but the Maytag Maxima XL 8000 offers heated water via the Extra Hot water selection and cycles like Allergen and Sanitize. It has a steam option, which is good for removing body oils and stains. You'll also get substantially more capacity.

If you choose Maytag: Make sure you get the new Maxima line, which is called Maxima XL. The 8000 currently sits at the top of Consumer Reports' ratings.

[this post was last edited: 5/4/2014-15:12]
 
I was snooping around on AJMadison and saw the Fisher and Paykel WA4127G1 machine... What do you guys think of it? It says that it has an auto lint disposal system but I also see that you can get a separate lint filter.



This looks to be the same machine, but I noticed on the deep fill (starting around 10 mins) there isn't much steam coming up from the fill, so is this another machine that fills with cold water?

The thought here is that I'd try a top loader for a bit, then put it in use at a friends place after he gets his laundry room done (adding space/plumbing for a second machine). He works for a sand and gravel company and we need a machine for his work clothes that can handle all the sand and gravel he brings home..

There are so many options out there, and reading around on here I've started looking into things like lint filters and water depths/temperatures etc. I have to deal with lots of pet hair where he has to deal with lots of sand and gravel. Extremes on both ends...

I am torn on what I should do with the Maytag/Speed Queen decision. Logic says to go with the Speed Queen set but I have a Whirlpool Employee Discount available to me. That is what is making the Maxima XL 8000's look so attractive to me.
 
Hrm. Sometimes reading the manual helps..

Wash 2 – Agitation wash (top-loader type wash)
After recirculating the sudsy water through your
clothes for 4 minutes, your WashSmart washer will fill
with just enough cold water to suspend the clothes in
solution. Agitation will then begin, moving soil away
from the clothes.
Note: the detergent activating wash is the only time
during the cycle that hot water is used (when the
machine is completely full the water will be lukewarm).
If you need hot water during the agitation part of the
wash, select the ALLERGY cycle.

At least they have the balls to say they fill with cold water during the agitation cycle.
 
I've had Maxima 7000 series set since December and have been satisfied with them. It allows you to use the booster heater in most of the cycles and you can pretty good temps and water levels as long as you avoid the normal cycle.

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I like that this is also in the manual:

"In addition, some wash loads are better washed using a cycle with a deep rinse. For instance,
garments that have a lot of sand or sawdust in them, or garments where the color still runs. For
these loads select the SOFTENER option, as this will change the rinse to include a deep rinse."

It's nice that they don't try to dumb the user down like most companies do, and instead tell you outright what the features actually do. I wish the options on new washers were "Spray Rinse" or "Deep Rinse" rather than "Fabric Softener On/Off". That way those that aren't familiar with how the machine operates will have a more clear understanding.
 
And this was right under that in the manual! I'm liking F&P more and more!

Scrud
Scrud is the name given to the waxy build-up that can occur within any washer when fabric
softener comes into contact with detergent. This build-up is not brought about by a fault in the
machine. If scrud is allowed to build-up in the machine it can result in stains on your clothes or
an unpleasant smell in your washer.
If you wish to use fabric softener we recommend:
■■ Using fabric softener sparingly.
■■ When filling the dispenser, do not splash or overfill.
■■ Clean the fabric softener dispenser as soon as the cycle is finished (refer page 37).
■■ Clean your machine regularly (refer page 37).
■■ Cold water washing increases the chance of the build-up occurring.
■■ We recommend that a warm wash be used at regular intervals, eg every 5th wash should be warm.
■■ Fabric softener of a thinner consistency is less likely to leave residue on the dispenser and
contribute to a build-up
 
What do you guys think of the new LG 22 lbs top loader with built in heater? It can heat up the water to either 104 or 140 degrees.
 
Ok so, The front loaders.. ... Speed Queen AFN51F/ADE41F Pair... 5k out the door with pedestals, delivery, installation and moving two sets of washers/dryers to different locations...

The Maytag Maxima 8000 Series would be around 2k out the door, with pedestals, delivery, installation and moving the other sets after the Discount I have available...

Will the SpeedQueen's ability to clean be worth the 3k extra? Is it that justifiable? At this point I'd be buying purely on reputation of name and on aesthetics.

That being said... I still need a top loader for now... I can get the AWN542S for 675 out the door, delivery etc. SpeedQueen just increased the warranties. 15 years on transmission, and I forget the rest she said. Another option is that I can get the F&P WashSmart for 775 out the door.

They haven't had the 300 series of the Maytag Centennial top-loaders, so she wasn't sure what to think of them. She said they had nothing but complaints with the older agitator top load models as well as horror stories with the wash-plate HE top loaders. She said if she ordered in the Maytag, I could get it for 450, same bundle out the door.

....

....

What do I do?
 


Am I really seeing the roll-over that I am watching? Is LG the only one with a wash plate that can do that or ?? Is there something I am missing on this agitator-less boat?

I ask because of rapunzel's reply.
 
LG washers

I've seen quite a few demos/videos of the LG TL's and I'm actually really impressed. They seem to always fill to the top for large loads, and the wash action is always so fluid and swirly, compared to the WP version where there's water and the clothes are just sitting there. I'm still not sure how they rinse; I imagine because of the full wash fill it probably does some variation of a spray rinse. If I had to buy a TL with a wash plate to save my life, it would be the LG.
 
The more I dig around on the forums and the products on AJ Madison, the more confused I am getting...

http://www.lg.com/us/washers/lg-WM3070HRA-turbowash-washer <-- The video that was just made by a member, MickeyD, has me curious about the recirculating water.

I didn't see anything about the Maxima 8000's having a recirculating spray. Everything that I've been reading about the older top loaders, this seemed to be the feature to have, right?

The more I ask people about washers the more I am told that LG makes a phenomenal set... HE Top Load or Front Load, they seem to be doing better than most of the brand... I know thats probably a sales push, and I know LG had their issues with the top loaders exploding at random, but the videos I keep seeing online are showing me one thing... LG is giving consumers the option to practically program their own wash cycles.. That and the 1300 RPM extract spin, the truebalance system seems to hold to its name...

I truly don't know what I want to spend my money on. I think for now the Speed Queen front loaders are out, because I know deep down its not worth the investment on where I am at currently in my life.

I will probably be in the 12-1500 price range per unit.. I just want something that will clean and I can use for the next 5 years or so without regret.

I know the Maytags will do what I am wanting, but That wild cherry red is beautiful. That TurboWash is getting my attention...

Whats a boy to do?
 
... I do know I need to do something quick before I buy a shot gun...

Stupid Samsung pair that I have now is driving me nuts.

I put some work shirts in to wash, put it on hot knowing it wont get hot, wait about 30 minutes, open the door and the water is 50 degrees.... ...... SERIOUSLY?

I can't believe I've never noticed that this machine doesn't get hot.. ever.. and I've made sure the hot water is working, I hear the hot water cycle and fill when the machine first starts......
 
I don't think you'l be happy with an LG. These also seem to have problems getting the water hot. This is a table from reviewed.com of a Kenmore Elite 41472 using an eight lbs. load and default settings. I'd stick with Whirlpool/Maytag.

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Hot water and F&P...

... are a topic on their own.
All new F&P washers use a system called EcoActive-wash. In general, most of all cycles fill with you selected temperature until the load is saturated plus another gallon or 2, maybe. Than, within the next 4 min the washer reciculates this detergent-water-mix over your laundry. From their on, the cycles varry. Some fill with some more water and go on this way and than finally fill up to the selected level, some just fill up. The main thing is: From their on, all fills will be cold. Except for Allergy which will continue with the selected temp. So you get the detergent going at you temp, soak your load at you selected temp and than dumb down the temperature for the agitated part of the cycle. I personally like this idea as all you detergent action is done at selected temp and in an highly concentrated solution and than continue with a more gentle cooler wash that save energy either. Bleaching agents are activated and work, even though you get an energy star rating.
But there is another thing: You can actually adjust the ATC on these machines! For example, AquaSmart manual, you can increase the warm temp in 0.5°F steps. So you can lift up warm to cancel the cold fill a bit more.
Anyway, even though I have never been abled of using one, I am a fan of the AquaSmart idea: You get an impperler washer with its wash plate (thus more gentle and more room in the tub) BUT you can just switch of the HE-mode and get a true full-fill wash on most cycles (some don't allow to use HE, some prohibit conventional mode).
Of course, a bit pricey, but we all know that F&P has been quite reliable, and if something brakes, they are easy and cheap to fix:
http://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/WL4227P1.html
 
Hot water/modern front-loaders: My 2010 Frigidaire fills with hot water when selected, but so little water enters the machine that the metal tub and the clothes themselves cool the water once it starts tumbling.
Incoming hot water is 140 degrees at my house, but that drops to around 115 degrees after a few minutes of tumbling. This is why I won't have a machine without an internal water heater.

Frankly, most loads are cleaned well at 90-115 degrees---especially with a top-rated, enzyme-laden detergent---but I often use the Allergy option (heats to 125) or the Sanitize cycle (heats to 150) or the steam option (heats 1st rinse water and tumbles for 20 minutes creating "steam").
 
http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?53606 <-- My Samsung WF210ANW is using hot water now...

So... I can put this purchase on a hold for a minute... Cause there was a new development too.. We just because a Miele dealer for the Vacuum Store I'm working at...

That gives me access to their entire product line.... .....

That opens my option list up a bit.

My job is making me go broke..
 
Washing: Yeah!!!
Drying: Nahh... I mean, it dries, but takes an eternity (like a half tub of normal laundry can take 2 or 3 hours), uses water (ensure you have a really cold cold water supply) and uses pretty high temperatures. But it gets the job done. So if you leave the house oftner, it can be quite usefull. You can pop a load in, set the cycle, come home from work and have a washed and dried load.
It has pros, but a few cons either...
 
You're making this way too complicated

You've done enough research to last 3 lifetimes. You need to consider the real definition of value and understand that washing clothes is not rocket science.

Garments, for years now, are comprised of cotton/rayon/polyester/dacron/etc.

Second, perspiration, dirt, grime, dust, sand, grass stains, mud, oil and the like are the same was they have been for years. In other words they make garments dirty today, in 2014 just like they did in 1914.

Third, to remove #2 above, you need A. Water B. Enough to move the garments through it. C. Sufficient temperature. D. Correct amount of detergent.

Fourth, Sanitize, steam, etc are useless. There is no evidence, none whatsoever, that proves we need to start "sanitizing" our garments in the wash. No one has gotten ill from "unsanitary" laundry.

Fifth, a multitude of cycles based upon the logic of gee, 3 options are good, but 13 are even better, is foolhardy. And needlessly complicated.

Sixth, you need to consider how much time you want to invest in doing laundry. Sure the new machines use less water than the old school tanks, won't argue that. But do you really want to double or even triple your time involved in doing laundry?

Seventh, do you want to invest in additional "cleaners" to clean the friggin machine that is supposed to clean your laundry? Do you want to waste time, water, and money running a "cleaning" cycle on a FL or HE TL machine? How exactly is that "efficient"? No one seems to know.

Now here's our object lesson for today:

It's 1975. Shag carpets are in as are catalytic converters. All in the Family is #1 in the Nielsen ratings.
Happy homemaker takes laundry basket to washer. Sorts by color. Picks up a tshirt or sweatshirt. Fabric is 80% cotton 20% polyester. Garment instructions state, in part, machine wash warm, tumble dry low, warm iron if needed, use no chlorine bleach. Happy homemaker follows instructions and uses her 1970's era machine and laundry comes out clean.

Flash forward to 2014. Shag carpets are out and I have no clue who's #1 in the Nielsen ratings. Happy homemaker takes laundry basket to washer. Sorts by color. Picks up a tshirt or sweatshirt. Fabric is 80% cotton 20% polyester. Garment instructions state, in part, machine wash warm, tumble dry low, warm iron if needed, use no chlorine bleach. Happy homemaker follows instructions and uses her 1970's era machine and laundry comes out clean.

See any difference?
 
The difference is that I don't know what I want to spend my money on to buy, but I do know I piss more than my Samsung set uses for water..

After falling for the prices that the set had cost, I don't want to get stuck with another set that is made just for companies to do volumes.

Also, I do not wish to move several pairs in and out of my living space. I want to find something, make sure it works half decent, does what it needs to without a bunch of politics at play and will give me a good ROI.

This samsung set that I have, until recently, barely used any water and did NOT use hot water. You put it on hot and barely get a 70 degree fahrenheit wash...

I think its complete BS that I can't just get a new machine that uses the hot water already provided by my hot water tank that is sitting not more than 3 feet from the machine. That makes no sense to have a machine heat its own water when the water has already been heated and I've already paid for that water to sit there and stay hot.

As for your analogy, the two scenarios are completely different.. 1975 I could have gotten most of my washing done in two hours... The dryer was the slowest part of the ratio... Now, the dryer finishes WAY before the washer does. We went from machines that took 30 minutes to wash a full load to damn near 2 hours to wash a full load.. But, that is of course if you have a new machine to each era.. In your second part you gave the example of using an older machine.. I don't have an older machine. I have a new BOL pos that I want to replace.

And you're right, I don't need 200 Wash cycle options.. I really only need to set the temp, the spin speed and the occasional extra rinse.. But when the machine and the EPA think they know how to clean my clothes better and don't allow me to set the options I want, then there is an issue... Especially when my clothes come out just as dirty as they went in.

Now... This brings us back to the latest machine I posted about... I could set the load, set the options, and when I came back from work, everything except unloading and folding is taken care of... If I am going to have to wait 3 hours to do a load from wash to dry with my current pair, why not have a machine that will automatically just do both functions and its ready when I am back to take care of it? Given that these machines seem so popular in Europe, would I be going wrong if I were to get something like this?

I mean at least with it being LG, its going to be a decent machine instead of some of these In business, out of business, In business again fly by night companies that release one off combo units, right?

It'll have a decent wash like their current lineup of washers, plus has a larger capacity than the other combo's they've released in the US?

The only thing is I've never used a condenser dryer.. I get that it functions like a dehumidifier, and with my kitchen flooding every time it rains, I understand exactly how much moisture a dehumidifier can move... Is there really a difference between a standard dryer and this dryer built in?

The upside is that its a standard wall plug, and I would only need hot/cold and a drain.. I could finally have my laundry in my kitchen and get my walk in closet back...
 
There are 3 things to mention!

1. One of the bigger downsides of a Combo is that the unit is in use and thus blocked. On a split set, you can wash while you are drying. Now, if you wash or dry, no matter, you can't do anything else. You can't run a 2nd load while #1 is drying. Keep in mind, with only 1 unit in stead of 2, you have to spend more time due to that fact.
2. Condensor dryers run usually hotter. You are in the 170 quite fast. And this Combo uses water as coolant, so about 2-4 gal more water usage in total, to guess.
3. You can't load it fully up to the top. As the 4.3 cuft now are used for wash and dry , you can only load it loosely to 3/4 at the maximum. Thus, you may need more loads.
 
OK, so I still haven't purchased anything.. BUT....

One of our reps came into the store talking about some products we carry and I knows his company distributes SpeedQueen as well.

I was talking to him about some models etc and he said if I am going to buy speedqueen I should wait until the 2015 models make their debut... He said that even though there will be an automatic setting to appease the EPA, the ability to manually control everything is still there AND the new machines have anti-vibration in them now.. He said the machines won't walk across the floors anymore.

Anyone else heard anything on this?
 


"Fifth, a multitude of cycles based upon the logic of gee, 3 options are good, but 13 are even better, is foolhardy. And needlessly complicated."

Its still quite nice to be able to customise cycles though... Unforunately, SQ has gone down the path of "3 options" with both their FLs and TLs with the electronic controls. Now - someone in an office chair controls your agitation times, spin times as well as any soaking periods you allow. People buy SQ for the CONTROL they give over laundry... Not pointless automation. 

 
So tired of hearing about buying extra products to clean a FL. Follow the freaking instructions, use the correct amounts of detergent and softner if desired and you won't have a problem. My LG pair are now 15 years old and going strong, never have had any odor issues, most of my wash is cold water and I don't buy a 'boutique' detergent. Most, if not all FL issues are caused by too much soap combined and made worse by the use of too much softener. Americans have a problem with if a little works great then 10x will do fantastic and then they blame the machine. And if water isn't expensive or in short supply where you live, then enjoy your TL. But if you live where it's both expensive and in short supply an HE machine is an excellent choice. And no matter how many times I see that FL's don't clean, I just refer you back to the start of this post. There are way too many studies showing that they do, in fact, clean better and are less stressful on clothing.
 

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