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Stained Tubs In New SQ TL Washers

I had heard of this issue from customers that read on online reviews of SQ TL Washers. We sell several SQ TLers per week and a few weeks ago I was installing one and sure enough it had brown stains all over the wash basket. To me it did not look like greese more like used polishing compound? In any case I mentioned to the new owner that they forgot to clean the washer tub after polishing it at the factory and proceeded to clean it up, I then suggested that the first load should be old cleaning cloth or something similar in hot water. I heard back from the customer and they said they noticed no problem after using the machine for a few weeks.

 

Yes this is pretty sloppy on SQs part but I seriously dough that it would cause any real long term problem. If anyone gets a new SQ and notices this problem I would just clean it up as many here have suggested, the SS wash basket is not double walled and as Dan suggested if you use good hot water maybe some ammonia it should easily wash away in a few loads.
 
Seriously?

In the post above, "If you use good hot water maybe some ammonia it should easily wash away in a few loads." If you bought a NEW car and it was filthy inside, would you just clean it up yourself? How about a NEW fridge dirty with grease and rotten food?

This SQ grease problem is ridiculous. Failure at the factory and then failure of the dealer to take care of the problem, too. The buyer is expected to correct glaring QC problems? "Just wash a few loads in hot water?" To say I'm incredulous would be such an understatement.

Part of the problem here seems to be WIMPY dealers who won't hold SQ to account for problems at the factory. If I were a SQ buyer and this happened to me, I would be kicking and screaming. There is NO excuse.
 
Honestly I don`t understand all that excitement about a greasy washer tub.

Every new washer I have ever had called for an emtpty service wash at the hottest possible cycle with detergent prior to normal use.
Likewise every dishwasher`s manual calls for an empty wash with detergent to flush out grease and other stuff from the manufacturing process.
Even every drip coffee maker I have ever owned so far I had to run a pot of clear water through before it was safe for coffee.

I wonder if this could be a European thing only.

The fact that SQ suggests to buy a special product to clean off the grease is NOT OK ! No doubt about that.
I also take it that there are no directions in the owner`s manual to do an empty cycle before washing clothes. If so, shame on SQ.
 
Yes but even if European manufacturers (and they all do!) recommend a hot wash when first running the machine the tubs in new washers have no grease in them!

It's just leftover water from the factory tests and dirt from the production lines but definitely not grease!
 
Maintenance Wash

Any machine you purchase new or used should have a 'maintenance wash' run to clear out dirt and grease and stuff, like I mentioned in another thread. 

 

Our Miele recommended (when new) a Cottons 60º cycle to clear out all the dirt and grime from the factory. Was it any surprise when the water leaving the machine after the wash was very, very grey and dirty? 

I'm surprised that SpeedQueen wouldn't recommend this. Our old washer also recommended this. So I think this grease issue MAY have been oversight by the customer.

 

And to those that ask if we accept new refrigerators containing rotten food - that is not equivalent to this problem. All refrigerator manufactures ALSO recommend you clean the refrigerator lightly (Baking Soda and Water) before the fridge is started up and food is loaded into it.

 

However, I do think it is silly that Speed-Queen allowed this to occur, although, as with any mass production, there is always a slight error that causes this sort of problem - so this batch of washers probably had grease as a minor fault. When people post bad reviews and stuff, where Speed Queen didn't stand behind their product, did the care to explain the problem and give all particulars to the Dealership AND the Customer Support line? For example, where timer's "went bad" were the users not taking care when turning the timer knob? Were kids playing with it? This is why Speed Queen is perhaps doesn't stand behind their product.  
 
Or how much money did they save on each washer by having the customer do the final cleaning before use rather than have the factory do it?

Has Alliance had any changes in the upper management staff lately? I hope a "new Maytag" type of management has not taken over. We have seen what those types did to Maytag.
 
You know, I am absolutely astonished at the comments being made by the posters here.

If you think you can design and build a better machine, do it.

Or better yet, a lot of you live in the USA. If you want to build the best machine in the world, drive down to Ripon, WI and apply for a job with Alliance. I'm sure they could always use more help on their assembly lines.

Cripes, yes I understand that new machines sometimes do have defects, but these are washing machines for cripes sake, not Bugatti Veyrons or Lamborghinis.

Heck, all of you are talking about a top loader which costs less than $850. Of course I would expect that it won't be perfect. OK, Fine.. Work out the bugs and move on. When the grease is gone, that machine will serve you for many years and do its job properly.

There are a few good ideas in the forum, the consensus seems to be that doing an empty load with the hottest water and enzyme detergent will fix the issue. Perhaps it would have helped if they put that in the manual.

I'm a little irked that so many of you are very quick to deride and denigrate a local US manufacturer who isn't always perfect. What would you rather have though, a tub with some grease temporarily in it or a spinsploding LG?

It is so easy to criticize without actually being on the factory floor and seeing how hard Alliance employees work to build these products so that you can enjoy them. Put in a full 12 hour shift on the factory floor first.

I remember once watching a commercial for the Saturn vehicles. The employees were proud of the vehicles they built because they said they would build them the way they wanted to if they were going to buy one for themselves. This is what manufacturing should be.

I'm thinking about the person who put the polishing compound in the OP's washer. He or she was probably manually polishing out a manufacturing imperfection in the inner tub and had probably been at the end of their shift, tired, with a sore back from bending over using the power polisher. I'm sure that due to the high demand for these machines, they didn't have time to run a cleaning cycle through it and though that the end customer would do it themselves.

Instead, we have a thread where people are complaining it is unacceptable. All I can say is that I'm just disgusted with this attitude.

If you really want to buy a machine which is perfect, build it yourself.
 
TOTALLY AGREED!!!!!

As I said before, this is not a mechanical issue. I have spoken directly to techs who know my machine inside and out when I had a minor issues after four years of abusive usage! I have always run an empty wash with a new washer, or dishwasher to get rid of "factory residue," packaging reisdue," or whatever!

Mike
 
The original poster had this problem in March 2013. I have this problem in July 2013. I eagerly awaited delivery of my AWN432 at 9:15am since my 20 year old Maytag died on July 4th, 4 days ago. Someone posted: "I'm thinking about the person who put the polishing compound in the OP's washer. He or she was probably manually polishing out a manufacturing imperfection in the inner tub and had probably been at the end of their shift, tired, with a sore back from bending over using the power polisher." This would be fine if the issue happened once back in March. But its July now. I am running Simple Green thru mine right now. I hope it works because I need to go back to work tomorrow wearing clean clothes.

Four months later this should not still be happening without some kind of advance notice from SQ. I could have ruined clothes in this if I had not wiped it out first and missed this problem. Ought to be a label sent out to apply to every one of these machines warning the consumer to clean it first.

If everything else after this works out well, I will be a satisfied customer. But this issue needs their attention asap.
 
Stained Wash Basket in a New SQ TL Washer

What is the serial# of your machine, you may have just gotten one that was made 3 months ago. In any event this will not hurt either your laundry or the life expediency of your new washer. If you have any concern just wash a load of jeans in Hot Water and use plenty of detergent.
 
This is an interesting thread, all the way through....

But I have a different perspective on much of what was said above.

First, any manufacturing that has human involvement is going to have flaws or errors occasionally. The degree to which that is a problem varies in regard to what is being made. A toothbrush with the colored handle being a bit off the standard green or yellow? No biggie. QC will usually catch this and scrap the off-color parts, but some will get shipped.

A rubbermaid or similar container that cracks or otherwise fails in service? Well, not great, but its not a major deal either.

A garment that has a hole in it upon first wearing - what a pain.

A flaw in a commercial airliner? Scary...

These all can happen, including, unfortunately, grease left in a new washer basket.

I have more than 20 years in manufacturing management. We all know that errors are going to happen, but its how the company responds to the problem that is often the most important issue.

I find it interesting to note that Alliance is ISO9001 certified. ISO is a certification among industry which essentially certifies, from an outside unbiased auditor, that the company has proper managerial controls to manufacture routinely high-quality product, that it has problem solving procedures in place that are effective, and that the company FOLLOWS those procedures when issues arise. All automotive and appliance manufacturers in the U.S. require most all their vendors to be ISO certified for these reasons.

Leaving grease in a washer basket, grease that apparently can ruin clothing, etc. is a violation of warranty of fitness for a particular purpose. This would be akin to making a car with temporarily square wheels. Washers are never supposed to make things dirtier, or ruin clothing, especially when new, even temporarily.

While I can easily see how an assembly worker could miss the step in properly de-greasing the stainless basket (there could have been a new packer on the line that day, or a temp in training, the polishing machine could have been using too much compound, or they could have even had a birthday celebration in the breakroom while the line was running...the reasons are almost endless), but this should be an item that warranted swift and effective measures by Alliance Management.

In a normal damage control situation, manufacturing management should first should have stopped any more machines from coming off the line this way. They then should have identified how many were involved by whatever caused this. They then should have pulled and inspected any stock still on-site such that no more were shipped this way, and they should have identified any units that were in-transit or off-site that might be suspect. Finally, the last two steps would be a plan for how to deal with consumers for those machines that got into the field, AND how to avoid this from recurring on the plant floor in the future.

It is a failure such as this that an ISO auditor would closely examine, especially in how the issue was addressed to prevent it from happening again.

My surprise in the information above is centered mostly in Alliance/Speed Queen's apparent response to the problem. A typical laundry load can be worth many hundreds of dollars. Sears said in one of their 1980s catalogs that a typical load was worth $150. This was nearly 30 years ago. To tell a customer that they need to run one or several washes empty to prepare a machine for use is not a proper answer in my opinion, especially when damage to laundry may have already occurred. Aren't these machines are expected to be factory tested and ready to use, out of the box?

A proper consumer response, IMHO, would have SQ bringing another machine out to the customer that they have checked for cleanliness, and take the other machine back. NO questions asked. I agree with the original poster that telling the customer that this is not a warranty issue is wrong and in very poor customer service, unless SQ doesn't consider their machines ready to use when delivered.

On the other hand, I don't think this is inexcuseable, as errors and accidents do happen. How we get over the occurance is the biggest issue. Should we be unhappy with a company that delivers $850 dirty appliances? Yes, I think so; we certainly should not buy into a diatribe about why we're being such complainers for expecting anything out of an $850 purchase. Is this grease a non-issue as some said, no, its not a non-issue, especially from the company that touts themselves as a leader in laundry --- "All we do is laundry" or something similar is SQ's slogan. Grease in a tub would be ok if the slogan was "All we do is laundry once you clean the preparative chemicals out of our tubs".
 
This is a VERY interesting thread, all the way through

I had written a post above from the perspective of a manager in manufacturing (me) and I made some conclusions as to how we would approach a problem such as this.

Just as I posted that, I decided to call Speed Queen and see what they suggest in regard to pre-washing the new machine or preparing it to be used for the first time. I was told that their owner's manual suggests first running a full load empty, and the person on the phone personally suggested running a load of rags or even several loads as this would be necessary to remove any "manufacturing residue" from the surface metals.

So, if SQ suggests this be done in the owner's manual, and the user didn't do so, it would be hard to blame SQ for a consumer/user error. SO MANY consumers don't read the paperwork for stuff they buy, its obvious in consumer reviews of appliances online.

If there is excess grease in the tub from an error on the plant floor (they do happen, everywhere from a toothbrush manufacturer to the Boeing Company), perhaps SQ could provide the cleaner and a fresh bag of rags...

Gordon
 
I know when I got my SQ AWN 311 washer, I ran a hot wash with detergent before the first load of laundry was in the machine. It's just common sense to do that I think to get out any grease or dust. Never had a problem with grease. Interesting thread.
 

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